PAC 2023

[Rich Kotite]

Poor old James R France stadium. Wonder what will happen to it? Perhaps the youth program could be ran out of it. Ida like to see them keep it with severly needed updates like new buildings for locker rooms, and lights. Iy would be sad for me to see it simoly sit and rot. Travelling through new franklin the other day, it seems the entire town has aged badly. I think whaylt is happening is people from the late 80s and early 90s found a gem and never moved out in retirment. Wonder what the average age is? Houses are not as nice as they were and the aged having a hard time keeping up. In 5 years the legends will have all but disappeared- Schindewolf, France, Robinson, etc.

I will truly agree with one of your points here - many Ohio communities have aged. Yes, the families moved there in the 70s, 80s and 90s and the parents stay there while the kids move to Columbus or Florida or North Carolina or elsewhere in search of a career or just better weather or both.

Not to be negative, but where is a young person gonna work these days in Akron/Canton/Massillon? Or anywhere not called Columbus in the state of Ohio? Our illustrious state government economic development crew has developed Columbus quite well and the new Intel plant in New Albany will add to that greatly. But what about places like Akron or Toledo or the Mahoning Valley or even a larger place like Cleveland? Not much is done there and Appalachian Ohio is totally forgotten which effects part of Stark County and definitely Tuscarawas and Carroll County.

Best thing schools like Manchester or Tuslaw or Fairless, etc., can do to keep kids home is teach the trades. If you can fix something, you can live just about anywhere and make a fine living.

And I love Ohio so I'm not coming at this from a negative attitude.

 

[Raylan_Givens]

Poor old James R France stadium. Wonder what will happen to it? Perhaps the youth program could be ran out of it. Ida like to see them keep it with severly needed updates like new buildings for locker rooms, and lights. Iy would be sad for me to see it simoly sit and rot. Travelling through new franklin the other day, it seems the entire town has aged badly. I think whaylt is happening is people from the late 80s and early 90s found a gem and never moved out in retirment. Wonder what the average age is? Houses are not as nice as they were and the aged having a hard time keeping up. In 5 years the legends will have all but disappeared- Schindewolf, France, Robinson, etc.

The stadium is a dump, there's basically no redeeming qualities of it outside of sentimental attachment. It would be crazy to do anything other than just tear it down with the massive amount of money you'd have to put into it to make it serviceable

Nostalgia is EXPENSIVE. That's what the trophies are for. You can move those to the new school a lot easier than you can maintain one of the worst fields in NE Ohio.

 

[CadenMFB]

I have noticed a few new posters to our award winning thread. If you a pretty new to this thread drop us a little bit of information about yourself. Only as much as you are comfortable with. Just bacis stuff like what teams you support, where you are an alumni and stuff like that.

Hi, Long time reader from afar, but have decided to start making posts this year as my kids have now left the school or on their way out. I am a long time supporter of Triway and area teams (mostly WCAL). Bishops onion rings for the win!

 

[thePITman]

Hi, Long time reader from afar, but have decided to start making posts this year as my kids have now left the school or on their way out. I am a long time supporter of Triway and area teams (mostly WCAL). Bishops onion rings for the win!

Welcome! Glad to have another Titan join us.

On a different note, Williams-Dixon from West Holmes is transferring to Pickerington North.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1629209628822192129

 

[Raylan_Givens]

Welcome! Glad to have another Titan join us.

On a different note, Williams-Dixon from West Holmes is transferring to Pickerington North.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1629209628822192129

It's a shame to see him leave, but he's a Columbus kid so can understand him going back to the area. Would assume his brother is going too. West Holmes loses a bunch of seniors, but was REALLY good outside of SWD so still should be tough non-conference games for Orrville & Triway.

 

[Stark Sports]

I will truly agree with one of your points here - many Ohio communities have aged. Yes, the families moved there in the 70s, 80s and 90s and the parents stay there while the kids move to Columbus or Florida or North Carolina or elsewhere in search of a career or just better weather or both.

Not to be negative, but where is a young person gonna work these days in Akron/Canton/Massillon? Or anywhere not called Columbus in the state of Ohio? Our illustrious state government economic development crew has developed Columbus quite well and the new Intel plant in New Albany will add to that greatly. But what about places like Akron or Toledo or the Mahoning Valley or even a larger place like Cleveland? Not much is done there and Appalachian Ohio is totally forgotten which effects part of Stark County and definitely Tuscarawas and Carroll County.

Best thing schools like Manchester or Tuslaw or Fairless, etc., can do to keep kids home is teach the trades. If you can fix something, you can live just about anywhere and make a fine living.

And I love Ohio so I'm not coming at this from a negative attitude.

I'm not sure there will be a super material impact, but curious to see if the rise of fully remote work will help some of those areas you mentioned that haven't seen much economic development. You can have scenarios where kids are moving back closer to where they grew up to be closer to their parents that never left. People now have the ability to work at Fortune 500 companies based out of New York, California, etc. while living in places like Tuslaw and Fairless. Like I said, not entirely sure the impact will be material, but for people who left those areas and got degrees in fields like business, technology, etc. one of the barriers to returning back to where they grew up has been removed to an extent.

 

[Raylan_Givens]

I'm not sure there will be a super material impact, but curious to see if the rise of fully remote work will help some of those areas you mentioned that haven't seen much economic development. You can have scenarios where kids are moving back closer to where they grew up to be closer to their parents that never left. People now have the ability to work at Fortune 500 companies based out of New York, California, etc. while living in places like Tuslaw and Fairless. Like I said, not entirely sure the impact will be material, but for people who left those areas and got degrees in fields like business, technology, etc. one of the barriers to returning back to where they grew up has been removed to an extent.

You make a great point about the "remoting" of the workforce. I won't be alive for it, but in 40-50 years you'll see a bunch of those studies coming out about how the economy & demographics of the US changed based on the business sector accepting the remote model.

That said, I'm not sure if the more rural areas will be impacted significantly. The remote workforce seems to value the "accessible space" of the Jackson Townships of the world. Places where you can have the nice house, some space if you want it, but still be 5 minutes from a foo-foo coffee or sushi plate.

(Hmm...now I'm thinking about heading to Jackson for lunch)

 

[Rich Kotite]

You make a great point about the "remoting" of the workforce. I won't be alive for it, but in 40-50 years you'll see a bunch of those studies coming out about how the economy & demographics of the US changed based on the business sector accepting the remote model.

That said, I'm not sure if the more rural areas will be impacted significantly. The remote workforce seems to value the "accessible space" of the Jackson Townships of the world. Places where you can have the nice house, some space if you want it, but still be 5 minutes from a foo-foo coffee or sushi plate.

(Hmm...now I'm thinking about heading to Jackson for lunch)

Heading to Jackson for lunch? Nah. Get over to the B & K Cafe in the PTO. Mention the names "Klinefelter and Wakefield" and you will experience a level of culture and tuffness unmatched in Western Civilization.

 

[CasualFan24]

Poor old James R France stadium. Wonder what will happen to it? Perhaps the youth program could be ran out of it. Ida like to see them keep it with severly needed updates like new buildings for locker rooms, and lights. Iy would be sad for me to see it simoly sit and rot. Travelling through new franklin the other day, it seems the entire town has aged badly. I think whaylt is happening is people from the late 80s and early 90s found a gem and never moved out in retirment. Wonder what the average age is? Houses are not as nice as they were and the aged having a hard time keeping up. In 5 years the legends will have all but disappeared- Schindewolf, France, Robinson, etc.

You forgot Pappas

 

[cuyahogacuse]

Welcome! Glad to have another Titan join us.

On a different note, Williams-Dixon from West Holmes is transferring to Pickerington North.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1629209628822192129

Three high schools in four years. I imagine he'll have to sit out after Week 5.

Good luck to him. Those are five big-time programs. (Well, four actually. Rutgers has never been big-time.)

 

[thePITman]

Three high schools in four years. I imagine he'll have to sit out after Week 5.

Good luck to him. Those are five big-time programs. (Well, four actually. Rutgers has never been big-time.)

I heard someone say he used to be from the Columbus area. So if he is moving back to there to/with family, then he shouldn't have to sit. I don't know the details, just heard something about that.

 

[BelowTheLine]

Nostalgia is EXPENSIVE. That's what the trophies are for. You can move those to the new school a lot easier than you can maintain one of the worst fields in NE Ohio.

Just out of curiosity, what would everyone consider the worst stadiums in the area?

 

[ShootNation]

Just out of curiosity, what would everyone consider the worst stadiums in the area?

WORST
1. Manchester (Everything)
2. West Branch (Field conditions are terrible)
3. Dover (Horrible Turf)
4. East Liverpool (Crumbling bleachers and pressbox)
5. Cuyahoga Falls (Bad field conditions and horrible concessions)

BEST
1. Carrollton
2. Northwest
3. Salem
4. Canton South
5. Beaver Local

 

[wildcat71]

In Portage County it has to be Ravenna Southeast...but heard they might be making improvements.

 

[the123kidz]

Three high schools in four years. I imagine he'll have to sit out after Week 5.

Good luck to him. Those are five big-time programs. (Well, four actually. Rutgers has never been big-time.)

I wonder if Rutgers/Syracuse is some kind of rival

 

[cuyahogacuse]

I wonder if Rutgers/Syracuse is some kind of rival

We like to laugh at them. Now the last two decades, it’s been tough sledding. But talk to me about 1959 or 1987-2001. The glory days.

Jim Brown. Ernie Davis. Floyd Little.

Eight pro football Hall of Famers. Only Notre Dame (13), USC (12), Ohio State (10) and Michigan (9) have more representatives in the Pro Football Hall of Fame than Syracuse.

What does Rutgers have? They played in the first game ever, and they won a game on a Thursday night against Louisville on ESPN 15 years ago. And they play at SHI Stadium. For real. Who names their stadium SHI Stadium?

Sam Williams Dixon. Do yourself a favor. Don’t go to Rutgers.

(Yeah. You struck a nerve.)

 

[Rich Kotite]

I wonder if Rutgers/Syracuse is some kind of rival

They used to be - somewhat.

 

[Raylan_Givens]

Heading to Jackson for lunch? Nah. Get over to the B & K Cafe in the PTO. Mention the names "Klinefelter and Wakefield" and you will experience a level of culture and tuffness unmatched in Western Civilization.

Mmmmm...... Super BK Fries for breakfast tomorrow sounds like a GREAT idea! And that still leaves me Friday to make a bad (health) decision by going to Michael's in Orrville.

D*&m this thread . . . I'm going to be back over 3 bills before the Easter ham goes in the oven . . .

 

[Raylan_Givens]

WORST
1. Manchester (Everything)
2. West Branch (Field conditions are terrible)
3. Dover (Horrible Turf)
4. East Liverpool (Crumbling bleachers and pressbox)
5. Cuyahoga Falls (Bad field conditions and horrible concessions)

BEST
1. Carrollton
2. Northwest
3. Salem
4. Canton South
5. Beaver Local

No major disagreements. It's outside of the "area" ,but would add that Harrison Central (Cadiz) is probably one of the nicest facilities that no one goes to.

 

[CasualFan24]

No major disagreements. It's outside of the "area" ,but would add that Harrison Central (Cadiz) is probably one of the nicest facilities that no one goes to.

Are we limiting school size on this? There are some really really nice D1/D2 stadium in the area as well....

 

[ShootNation]

Are we limiting school size on this? There are some really really nice D1/D2 stadium in the area as well....

I think in the spirit of this we stick to the small schools, obviously going big you have schools that have better facilities than some college programs

 

[wildcat71]

Mogadore has become a very nice stadium!

 

[Fumblerooski]

WORST
1. Manchester (Everything)
2. West Branch (Field conditions are terrible)
3. Dover (Horrible Turf)
4. East Liverpool (Crumbling bleachers and pressbox)
5. Cuyahoga Falls (Bad field conditions and horrible concessions)

BEST
1. Carrollton
2. Northwest
3. Salem
4. Canton South
5. Beaver Local

What’s wrong with Dover’s turf? Personally I think Dover’s is one of the best stadiums. Dover, Phila, Massillon, McKinley, and Steubenville are my top 5, for ones I’ve seen in person/played at. Another one that I was really impressed with was Perry (Lake county). One I always disliked was CCC’s stadium. I’ve never been to Salem or Beaver Local, but Carrollton, Northwest, and Canton South were just average in my opinion.

 

[ShootNation]

What’s wrong with Dover’s turf? Personally I think Dover’s is one of the best stadiums. Dover, Phila, Massillon, McKinley, and Steubenville are my top 5, for ones I’ve seen in person/played at. Another one that I was really impressed with was Perry (Lake county). One I always disliked was CCC’s stadium. I’ve never been to Salem or Beaver Local, but Carrollton, Northwest, and Canton South were just average in my opinion.

Their turf is about five years past being five years past time for a replacement. Especially inside the 20's it's not much more than carpet anymore. Everything else is pretty nice there though

 

[CasualFan24]

Their turf is about five years past being five years past time for a replacement. Especially inside the 20's it's not much more than carpet anymore. Everything else is pretty nice there though

If I'm being totally honest - Northwest's turf is awful. The community raised all those funds to put that turf in and the school never bought the machine to rake it. So it's literally never been raked. It's ruined and needs replaced already, every piece of fiber is laying down flat when you walk on it. It's honestly probably the worst turf I've been on since the old astroturf at Massillon like 20 years ago.

Just from the turf comparison aspect, Triway was a really nice surface when Dalton played there against Lucas 2 years ago. But I think my winner is actually Chippewa of all places. Their turf is nice, the "grass" fibers stood up, it looked nice, and felt nice.

 

[CasualFan24]

Worst stadiums overall in the area....this is a tie between Manchester and Rittman. Rittman's location could be really cool just planted right in the middle of the community, but holy smokes it needs completely torn down and redone - too bad there's no money out there to do it.

Best in the area....hmmm.....

I'm going to look in to the future a little bit, when the parking gets added to the back side of the stadium (behind the visitors stands) and the new concession/locker room/weight room get built, Northwest will be hard to beat (hopefully they find turf replacement money in there too).

I am going to mention Garaway simply for the amazing pizza place that is literally in the Garaway parking lot...that gets them bonus points lol...

And it's off the beaten path for most people, but if you get a chance to go out to Hillsdale - their stadium is brand new, and I really think they did a great job with it. Sits up on the hill side, it's really nice!

And I know we're sticking to smaller schools....but I've always kind of liked Art Wright Stadium in Wadsworth as well

 

[thePITman]

I am going to mention Garaway simply for the amazing pizza place that is literally in the Garaway parking lot...that gets them bonus points lol...

Yesss!!! Park Street Pizza.

 

[CasualFan24]

Yesss!!! Park Street Pizza.

Garaway is like a solid hour drive for me...maybe 50 minutes...we still go down there just for the pizza every couple months lol....It is literally so freaking good. I've never even been to a Garaway home game so IDK what they're stadium is actually like.....but to have that gem literally in the parking lot....had to mention them lol

 

[thePITman]

Maybe I'm biased, but the best sunset, hands down, goes to Triway (especially if you're sitting on the home side).

 

[ShootNation]

If I'm being totally honest - Northwest's turf is awful. The community raised all those funds to put that turf in and the school never bought the machine to rake it. So it's literally never been raked. It's ruined and needs replaced already, every piece of fiber is laying down flat when you walk on it. It's honestly probably the worst turf I've been on since the old astroturf at Massillon like 20 years ago.

Just from the turf comparison aspect, Triway was a really nice surface when Dalton played there against Lucas 2 years ago. But I think my winner is actually Chippewa of all places. Their turf is nice, the "grass" fibers stood up, it looked nice, and felt nice.

I'll give you that, NW has awful turf too but it's not even in the same universe as Dover's. It's crazy to me that two very well supported programs have let their facilities fall into such a state of disrepair when the solution is so reasonably priced and easily done