Would agree that the girls basketball coach has been arrogant and assembled talent from AAU program that calls CVCA home. Also true that big donor to field house is father of one of their seniors. Certainly not like that in football though.
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Stark Sports
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I don't necessarily have an issue spreading teams out from a formation standpoint, but it's more about what you do once you are there. I would prefer if they would go back to the power spread type offenses they were running in Held's early years when they had Combs and Brewer at QB and then in one of Gulling's first seasons with Woods at QB. Putting one of your bigger and better athletes at QB and featuring them in the run game can help neutralize the talent gap while also not reverting back to an ancient offense that kids might not be thrilled to play in, particularly when they already have a number of athletes in the school choosing not to play football.
The 2018 and 2019 teams that had Marthey as the feature back, even as effective as they were for Tuslaw standards, would have been better served if they had more of a dual threat at QB to supplement what he brought to the table and didn't have to carry it 40 times a game. Likewise, the 2020 team would have been likely better served to go with Lau at QB (something they experimented with in the preseason) as by far their best athlete and let him run the ball as opposed to going with Harbeitner as a sophomore who was more of a traditional style QB. Instead they put Lau on the outside at receiver with an inexperienced QB and they struggled to get him the ball and maximize his talent.
Raylan_Givens
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Nice call @Stark Sports ! I couldn't remember the names, but that's exactly what I was thinking watching those teams with Marthey at RB. Teams over played the run so much because they only had 1 person to watch.
And also great point on spreading to run. 2-3 receivers are fine, even if a team plays straight man with no safety you still lighten the box. One of the hardest plays to defend in high school is trips to the wide side & run behind a pulling guard to the boundary.
Rich Kotite
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Stark Sports has taken this thread to a higher level.
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If I would have known people were clamoring to discuss the offensive philosophy of a program that is 5-23 over the last 3 seasons (with 3 of those wins against the same team), I would have jumped in a lot sooner.
Raylan_Givens
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Hahaha! I’m still thinking about the Combs reference. Remember thinking “that dude looks like an athletic nose tackle!” then watched him play and realized he played qb like an athletic nose tackle!
I know the Mustangs beat Manchester at least once while he was there. We’re there any other wins since then before last year?
Rich Kotite
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Hey, you know people still love talking about the Silver Stretch offense of the bad 1980's Detroit Lions, too.
the123kidz
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I get what you are saying, however girls basketball at the end of the day maybe breaks even. It doesn't make sense financially to waive tuition dollars to get athlete's in a sport that if it makes any money I'm sure its very miniscule. I'm not saying CVCA doesn't have some advantages that others don't but handing out free tuition isn't happening on that side of Wyoga Lake road.
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Tuslaw actually beat Manchester each season over Combs' final 3 years (2006-2008). They won the three games by a combined eight points, including an 8-7 barnburner in 2007. In 2008, Combs' senior season, Manchester had Tuslaw on the ropes but fumbled on I believe a 4th and inches play that would have iced the game. That win kept Tuslaw's perfect season at the time alive until they lost the following game in week 9 after Triway's punter punted the ball into his own upback and proceeded to run it in for a touchdown.
A 6-4 Tuslaw team also managed to give Manchester it's only league loss in 2012. The most inexplicable win though came in 2019 when a 4-6 Tuslaw team beat a Manchester team on the road by double digits that eventually went onto play in the regional finals.
Historically speaking though, Manchester has been a pain in Tuslaw's side. From 1998-2000, Tuslaw went 27-3 in the regular season with all 3 losses coming to Manchester. Closes losses to Manchester also cost Tuslaw a league title in 2004 and a playoff spot in 2015.
Rich Kotite
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In the illustrious history of the Yappi PAC thread, saying Tuslaw has an admin and adult problem may rank right up there with adding Garaway through PAC expansion in terms of true forum gold.
BelowTheLine
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You know what's ironic about this is that those 3 wins against the same team come against a team who used to be really good when they ran the Wing-T but abandoned it. 15 years since the last winning season and the best season (5-5) since leaving the Wing-T behind was the one year they ran the double-wing.
Not all schools are meant for the spread.
the123kidz
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Many teams still run the wing-t concepts from the gun or spread formations. Chardon is a perfect example.
BelowTheLine
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Yep. But many don't.
Rich Kotite
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They mess around with the wildcat formation in the NFL so why not use some single wing today?
Keith Piper at Denison University in the mean streets of Granville, Ohio, did:
www.dispatch.com
The single wing in the PAC is on brand. #PACtion
Keith Piper at Denison University in the mean streets of Granville, Ohio, did:
Piper gave single wing a new life
He was of another time, when football had nothing to do with fantasy, and success at a small college in a small town offered comfort instead of a rung on a career ladder.
www.dispatch.com
The single wing in the PAC is on brand. #PACtion
CasualFan24
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Smithville comes to mind.....lol. wait. bad example, forget everything I've said
Stark Sports
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It's important for teams to pull out all of the stops if they want to avoid being part of the 37.5% of the league that doesn't get a share of the league title in 2023.They mess around with the wildcat formation in the NFL so why not use some single wing today?
Keith Piper at Denison University in the mean streets of Granville, Ohio, did:
Piper gave single wing a new life
He was of another time, when football had nothing to do with fantasy, and success at a small college in a small town offered comfort instead of a rung on a career ladder.
The single wing in the PAC is on brand. #PACtion
westa-k-ron1
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I'm glad that CVCA is finally leaning into the advantages they have and not holding themselves back so that they can be in a conference they have little in common with.
Rich Kotite
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The only thing greater than the single wing at 1723 Manchester Road NW would be the golden voice of Mel Wacker announcing it over the William E Kurtz Stadium PA system.
satoshi node
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Lakewood has backed out of the game vs South week 2. South will be playing Dover.
TopCat
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Yeah, Tuslaw did one season with him at QB. Manchester was driving at the end and fumbled the ball away in the red zone. Combs was a beast that game, though. He was their best weapon and was a one-man wrecking crew.
TopCat
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On the subject of the wing-t versus other offenses, I think the flexbone would be equally effective, especially for schools without a lot of "athletes." It doesn't require the up front power that the veer or wing-t generally need to be effective. Plus, it gives you a few better options if forced to pass. The service academies, and especially Navy, run it because they have smaller athletes. I spent several years in Annapolis, Maryland and saw firsthand how Navy used it to defeat athletically superior teams.
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Not to be the "well actually" guy, but if you look up to post #550 in the thread, I actually detailed out all of Tuslaw's wins over Manchester, which included 3 with Combs at the helm. The other two were due more to Ryan Travis (2006) and the defense (2007), but he was technically the QB for all three. I only point this out because there are so few bright spots in this program's history that I won't let you take away the ones we do have
Raylan_Givens
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Paul Johnson's Navy teams won me a LOT of 'cheddar' in bowl games & against Notre Dame (1 win & several covers). Until Navy fired their coach this year, both Army & Navy's coaches were Paul J disciples.
*NOTE - PAC Thread . . . we got it all!*
Raylan_Givens
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"Well actually" are quite welcome here when they're accompanied by facts. Too often "well actually" folks are just making crap up.Not to be the "well actually" guy, but if you look up to post #550 in the thread, I actually detailed out all of Tuslaw's wins over Manchester, which included 3 with Combs at the helm. The other two were due more to Ryan Travis (2006) and the defense (2007), but he was technically the QB for all three. I only point this out because there are so few bright spots in this program's history that I won't let you take away the ones we do have
Thanks for clarifying & congrats on dropping the "new" from your "member" status.
BelowTheLine
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After watching my school run the double-wing for one season I would highly recommend it to any school who lacks skilled athletes. It was incredible to watch how much success we had that season compared to other recent seasons. 5-5 should've been 7-3 and a playoff spot for sure and a really legit chance at 8-2 that season.
CasualFan24
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Was told last night that while Northwest is losing all 5 starting linemen from last year, that all 5 linemen taking over this year got plenty of reps last year and that all 5 could start for just about any team in the PAC next year. Outside of losing Plotner 6'5" 320, the line should have similar ability and size as last year.
Also - rumor on the street is, could be a change at QB and Badger could become a Christian McCaffery skat-back type player to compliment Miraglia. Cannot wait until next football season to see what this team turns into!
Also - rumor on the street is, could be a change at QB and Badger could become a Christian McCaffery skat-back type player to compliment Miraglia. Cannot wait until next football season to see what this team turns into!
Raylan_Givens
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Don't laugh, it could work. Anything could work, just as long as the team motto is not a 4 letter acronym...Triway is going to run the triple option next year.
So did Farrah, Kuhlins, and Held.