Northwest Ohio Realignment

dhsdog06

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My only 2 cents on the AP discussion.

I took and passed the AP World History test and received credit at OSU. I also took AP Calculus, struggled, wisely didn't take the test, and tested right back into it at OSU. Was also told my honors/AP that in HS were on a 5 point scale were adjusted to 4 point, so my 3.9 HS GPA was likely closer to 3.6-3.7 to colleges. Combined with a 29 ACT I was still in good shape, and would have been with or without honors/AP.

Outside of that one credit though, I saw no real advantage to AP. Bad teachers still will leave you in a bad spot, best to have a good teacher in a "normal" class. Standardized testing is honestly the worst thing to happen to education. Who cares if you can memorize facts, test well, then forget them. It's the life lessons and long term retention that matters. I learned more in a class that gave minimal homework and no tests than anywhere else.
 

doubtme

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I completely agree with your post, but a minor correction from someone who has to deal with it daily. The bolded is only partially true...all public high schools/school districts are REQUIRED to allow their students to take any "Level 1" course [a course on the Ohio Transfer Assessment Guide, meaning every public institution MUST give credit for the course]. That means students can take a course in Physics or Calculus at Rhodes State Community College that then MUST be taken for credit at Ohio State, Cincinnati, Toledo, etc...two guesses on if that course has similar rigor and provides similar preparation to students moving forward in an engineering curriculum at those schools. Also, the state doesn't dictate entry requirements, each institution dictates ones themselves...so there are some schools who don't even require a placement test/ACT for reference and just have kids walking into courses they aren't prepared for (mostly the struggling community colleges who see it as a quick buck and don't really worry about the student outcomes).

I can't even begin to tell you the amount of people who flunk out of places with an obscene amount of CCP courses from community colleges or taught by high school teachers with "expertise" in the area. Don't get me started on the parents who have their 7th graders taking a College Composition class because they figure it's easier to just get free credit...that C, D, or F on the transcript doesn't go away, so good luck getting into any reputable University with a 2.3 College GPA. That wonderful inflated GPA at High School A means nothing when you have college course grades for reference now...
But private schools and out of state schools do not have to take the credit for those classes correct?
 

doubtme

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I teach a CCP course at my high school through BGSU. We are matched up with a full time facility member who looks over our canvas page, syllabus and makes a classroom visit. I am not an idiot, so I get a thumbs up and teach my class however I want, I am not sure what BGSU would do if the class was designed poorly or I clearly was not holding them to a “college” level of performance.
side note, my HS does only give me a semester to teach the course, as opposed to students taking standard HS history that would get the whole year.
I'm aware of how bgsu does it. However I'm talking about some of these online classes that non HS teachers have. They are pathetic and I still stick to my belief that higher Ed has become watered down and it's a result of the mcdonaldization of higher Ed.

I really believe we need to rethink higher Ed along with secondary education. That's a topic for another day
 
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scbuckeye99

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What is this "AP Certification" that you speak of?

I agree that AP US Government is a lot harder than the freshmen government POL 101 that I took at Kent State University. Not even close. I would much rather see the students in CC+ classes where they are guaranteed college credit as opposed to AP courses where they may or may not receive credit.

The mantra should always be, "what is in the best interests of the students."

I had to do a 2 week long course with Clemson University back in the summer of 2013 to become AP Euro certified and a 2 week long course with Clemson back in summer of 2014 to get my APUSH certification. The instructors were college professors from Clemson. I received 3 hours of grad credit from Clemson for each one. After the courses were done each time I had to fill out paperwork with the College Board. Haven't taught AP since the 2014-15 school year but still receive emails from the CB about renewing my certification. My school's IB / AP Coordinator approached me back in March about my interest in getting back in to teaching AP Euro in the future and said since I'd allowed my AP cert to lapse I'd have to re do the course work all over again. I told her yes at the time but I'm not 100% enthusiastic about the idea. Like I said, last time I taught AP Euro it was over 100 kids in 3 sections and was not feasible to do. If they can guarantee me they won't treat the course like that the second time around I'll more excited but we'll see.
 

psavitt05

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Back to football for a second. :D

Not seeing any SJJ or Central kids on the rosters for today's all-star game. No Rogers or Scott either. That's disappointing. Anyhow, looks like the weather is done being stupid, it's going to be a great game as always.
Black Team defeated the Gold Team tonight 26-14

Team MVP’s were Liberty Center QB Camden Krugh (Black) and Archbold WR Brandon Taylor (Gold)
 

duckunder

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I had to do a 2 week long course with Clemson University back in the summer of 2013 to become AP Euro certified and a 2 week long course with Clemson back in summer of 2014 to get my APUSH certification. The instructors were college professors from Clemson. I received 3 hours of grad credit from Clemson for each one. After the courses were done each time I had to fill out paperwork with the College Board. Haven't taught AP since the 2014-15 school year but still receive emails from the CB about renewing my certification. My school's IB / AP Coordinator approached me back in March about my interest in getting back in to teaching AP Euro in the future and said since I'd allowed my AP cert to lapse I'd have to re do the course work all over again. I told her yes at the time but I'm not 100% enthusiastic about the idea. Like I said, last time I taught AP Euro it was over 100 kids in 3 sections and was not feasible to do. If they can guarantee me they won't treat the course like that the second time around I'll more excited but we'll see.
These courses are local decisions in my state, SC could be different. We consider AP part of our GT services, so our AP teachers do have to get certified to teach GT as required by the state (30 hours). I think we have a similar course to what you’re talking about at the university here that we send our AP/PreAP (well, not called PreAP now because of another College Board money grab) teachers to.

As for your administration changing their view that 35 AP kids can be in each section, good luck with that. It seems to be common practice at all of our high schools as well.
 

NLLBEST

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Should be getting close to time for each conference to start 2021 conference boards, I see the NWOAL has already started discussions and the usual suspects are at the top and bottom. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the last year for some of these leagues.
 

eastisbest

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Black Team defeated the Gold Team tonight 26-14

Team MVP’s were Liberty Center QB Camden Krugh (Black) and Archbold WR Brandon Taylor (Gold)

Thanks. I missed it, having fallen asleep in the lazyboy. AAAAGHHHHH ONE fricken game all year and I sleep through it. Streamed on BCSN in time to catch the fourth. I did see the Waite kid make the TD catch. That was the difference in the game. :D
 

dappling

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I had to do a 2 week long course with Clemson University back in the summer of 2013 to become AP Euro certified and a 2 week long course with Clemson back in summer of 2014 to get my APUSH certification. The instructors were college professors from Clemson. I received 3 hours of grad credit from Clemson for each one. After the courses were done each time I had to fill out paperwork with the College Board. Haven't taught AP since the 2014-15 school year but still receive emails from the CB about renewing my certification. My school's IB / AP Coordinator approached me back in March about my interest in getting back in to teaching AP Euro in the future and said since I'd allowed my AP cert to lapse I'd have to re do the course work all over again. I told her yes at the time but I'm not 100% enthusiastic about the idea. Like I said, last time I taught AP Euro it was over 100 kids in 3 sections and was not feasible to do. If they can guarantee me they won't treat the course like that the second time around I'll more excited but we'll see.
Certification is a "nice to have" and some schools might require it. However, I can attest that many AP teachers have no clue what certification is and are not certified.
 

dappling

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Let's good back to football....

Playing Whitmer, Findlay, and Fremont every year in football is IMO a net positive for PBurg and AW and will only improve their programs.

Is there a chance the Maumee will only be in the NLL one final year? I have heard from my son conflicting data.

Maumee has quite a few people back as their starters last year were basically a JV team. Coutcher at Maumee had a lot of success as a baseball coach, so hopefully that will carry over. Maumee's strength coach is a former college wrestler and PE teacher, so hopefully they will make gains it that area as well. Maumee does have a new DC as they old DC resigned and at least two other varsity coaches resigned.
 

CC Track Fan

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Any chance this might happen. BG and NAP leave and then decide to not let Whitmer in the NLL. End up with SNV, SSV, Fin, Fre, Clay, Perrysburg, Springfield and AW? To me that is a group that fit quite well together.
 

eastisbest

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Any chance this might happen. BG and NAP leave and then decide to not let Whitmer in the NLL. End up with SNV, SSV, Fin, Fre, Clay, Perrysburg, Springfield and AW? To me that is a group that fit quite well together.

How did Southview stay in, in this scenario? And where do you have BG and Napolean heading?
 
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dappling

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Any chance this might happen. BG and NAP leave and then decide to not let Whitmer in the NLL. End up with SNV, SSV, Fin, Fre, Clay, Perrysburg, Springfield and AW? To me that is a group that fit quite well together.
No chance. The superintendents are all chummy and are friends with Whitmer's superintendent. They wouldn't go back on the deal IMO.
 

CC Track Fan

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How did Southview stay in, in this scenario? And where do you have BG and Napolean heading?
SV will be getting bigger with the redistricting so will get closer to the other schools size wise. I have heard both BG and Nap are looking but obviously if there was a new home for them they would have left by now. But logistically/size Nap would most likely be NOAL or joining with schools leaving and BG would be to the SBC. Do I think this will happen no but never know how might shake out.
 

eastisbest

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The Fremont-Sandusky game would finally have some meaning.... :D

IDK, I obviously don't have insight and connections but seems a stretch. Nearly an hour and half for Findlay-Sandusky? Findlay is alright with that Jafo? Is there anything wrong with Sandusky's situation as is? What are the justifications? Sometimes rumblings are just dinner time. With no source, might as well be a strack, I mean snack.
 

jafo

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The Fremont-Sandusky game would finally have some meaning.... :D

IDK, I obviously don't have insight and connections but seems a stretch. Nearly an hour and half for Findlay-Sandusky? Findlay is alright with that Jafo? Is there anything wrong with Sandusky's situation as is? What are the justifications? Sometimes rumblings are just dinner time. With no source, might as well be a strack, I mean snack.
Findlay would have no problem with Sandusky trips. We've "been there, done that" a LOT in the past.
 
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doubtme

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Would Findlay have any issue traveling to Tiffin Columbian?
How solid are these rumblings... Also... If SBC Lake and Bay consolidated to 8 teams... Tiffin would likely be on the outside looking in because of size is my guess. Otherwise, why would they want to leave the Lake
 

ToledoGuy

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Would Findlay have any issue traveling to Tiffin Columbian?
Findlay wouldn't be in their division...I guess the better question would be if Napoleon would have any issue with the hour and a half trip or Southview with the hour and 15 minute drive.

It would make sense if the SBC contracts with their realignment...there is going to be an odd team out, and Columbian wouldn't be low on that list by any means. They would fit right in enrollment-wise, but that drive for many members of the small-side division (Southview, Springfield, Napoleon specifically) would be a bear.

Sandusky would be a nightmare for Napoleon...not only would it also be an hour and a half each way, but it would include a whole lot of tolls each way, which would rack up in quick order for all of the sports in the conference (unless of course it is a football-only add).
 

smurfyeah19

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Findlay wouldn't be in their division...I guess the better question would be if Napoleon would have any issue with the hour and a half trip or Southview with the hour and 15 minute drive.

It would make sense if the SBC contracts with their realignment...there is going to be an odd team out, and Columbian wouldn't be low on that list by any means. They would fit right in enrollment-wise, but that drive for many members of the small-side division (Southview, Springfield, Napoleon specifically) would be a bear.

Sandusky would be a nightmare for Napoleon...not only would it also be an hour and a half each way, but it would include a whole lot of tolls each way, which would rack up in quick order for all of the sports in the conference (unless of course it is a football-only add).
Yeah it's one thing most don't always consider, you're picking a league that you'll compete in with all sports 7-12. That's not only a ton of travel to add Sandusky, you're pretty much guaranteeing no gate either at that distance. 90 miles each way is no bueno
 

chs1971

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The Fremont-Sandusky game would finally have some meaning.... :D

IDK, I obviously don't have insight and connections but seems a stretch. Nearly an hour and half for Findlay-Sandusky? Findlay is alright with that Jafo? Is there anything wrong with Sandusky's situation as is? What are the justifications? Sometimes rumblings are just dinner time. With no source, might as well be a strack, I mean snack.
Sandusky would be the second smallest in a 12 team NLL. The hour-and-a-half drive would be from Napoleon, not Findlay.

In the SBC-Lake Sandusky's divisional opponents range from 2-21 miles away. In the NLL small division they would range from 26-92 minutes away. Why in the world would Sandusky do that?
 

ToledoGuy

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Sandusky would be the second smallest in a 12 team NLL. The hour-and-a-half drive would be from Napoleon, not Findlay.

In the SBC-Lake Sandusky's divisional opponents range from 2-21 miles away. In the NLL small division they would range from 26-92 minutes away. Why in the world would Sandusky do that?
Yeah...Sandusky makes absolutely no sense. Tiffin on the other hand would make a bit more, but even that seems like an odd one.
 
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