Who will be Ohio’s Mr. Football

Mad Jack said:
Since my first post, I made it a point to go watch a few of these kids live. See how they play in person tells a lot more than stats.
- DC Ferrell from Ursuline looked banged up when I went to their game against VASJ. He looked good, but you could tell something was nagging him.
- Ponatoski I saw play Ignatius. He looked good, albeit against a depleted Ignatius secondary. He was in control of the offense and can place the ball really well.
- Moten I saw play Hoban and then again last week against Padua. He balled out against Hoban. Best player on the field. Against Padua he scored 3x in the first quarter and then the coach took him out mid way through the 2nd quarter.
- I saw Davis play against Shaker. He's great, but Shaker wasn't even trying to tackle him. They looked like a team that didn't want to play.
- Myser I saw play too. He's great, but kudos to his O-Line. I mean, he was running through gaping holes the entire game. But he's definitely one of the best RBs I've seen this year.

I still say Moten is my choice. Davis is the stud of the class and will probably get votes for his stats, even though they are inflated against bad competition. I know people hate this opinion, but I don't believe in lower division kids that play lesser competition deserve this award. Consideration, yes. To win it, no. I know there's a lot of support for the Indian Valley kid. If the Hoban or Highland RBs play there, they both rush for the same amount of yards, if not more.
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Put St. Clair on Walsh, and he easily wins the award, especially with Moten playing a slot receiver. #EndKinseyHate
 
Rack162 said:
Put St. Clair on Walsh, and he easily wins the award, especially with Moten playing a slot receiver. #EndKinseyHate
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Don't hate Kinsey at all. I just don't think he's at the level of the others I listed. The St Clair comment only solidifies you haven't watched Walsh play this season. St Clair doesn't have his speed or running ability. The WRs weren't getting open vs Hoban, so Moten won it with his feet.
St Clair will be a better QB in college for sure, but not in high school.
Myser, Feister or Davis vs DIV SE Ohio teams would run rampant. There's a reason Feister left that area to play at Hoban. He wanted to play the best competition. You don't find that in SE Ohio.
 
Mad Jack said:
St Clair will be a better QB in college for sure, but not in high school.
Myser, Feister or Davis vs DIV SE Ohio teams would run rampant. There's a reason Feister left that area to play at Hoban. He wanted to play the best competition. You don't find that in SE Ohio.
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100% disagree with you that Moten is a better Quarterback than St. Clair at any level.

Feister probably left because of Kinsey 😂🤣😂🤣.

If Kinsey was playing one way for a D1 or D2 private school that plays a handful of D3 and D4 schools, he'd still be an all-state player in the mix, and if he had played on D2 Highland against that schedule, he would've run wild.
 
Rack162 said:
100% disagree with you that Moten is a better Quarterback than St. Clair at any level.

Feister probably left because of Kinsey 😂🤣😂🤣.
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Laughable. I 100% am sure you've seen nobody mentioned other than Kinsey play. Feister would eat his lunch.

And would bet good money you're basing St Clair on recruiting alone. I saw earlier someone talk about another poster going overboard on a player. Sounds like that could be directed towards you as well.
 
Mad Jack said:
Laughable. I 100% am sure you've seen nobody mentioned other than Kinsey play. Feister would eat his lunch.

And would bet good money you're basing St Clair on recruiting alone. I saw earlier someone talk about another poster going overboard on a player. Sounds like that could be directed towards you as well.
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The 😂🤣 is because I'm joking; I'm not sure why the kid departed, but the "eat his lunch" comment is ridiculous. Recruiting? I've watched both quarterbacks play. St. Clair is clearly a better quarterback, and the fact that you think he'd sit behind Moten is absurd.

I never said Kinsey should win or be the favorite; I just said he should be considered a finalist. I'm tired of fans, particularly Walsh fans, claiming that if Kinsey was on Walsh, he couldn't get 250 a game behind their line against Padua Fran (5-5 D3), Brunswick (3-7 D1), NDCL (5-5 D4), Firestone (5-5 D4), and SVSM (1-9 D2), or that he would struggle if he was on a D1 or D2 team playing against a schedule like Walsh's. Now, any solid starting running back from D1 or D2 would outperform Kinsey🤦.

Kinsey is one of the top RBs in the state. Period. Moten is one of the top QBs in the state; IMO, both are worthy finalists, but putting Kinsey and St. Clair down to prop your guy up is a bad look.

*Firestone D2
dnis30 said:
What kind of numbers does Villa Angela-St. Joseph's Bo Jackson have?
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He only played 3 full games. https://www.hudl.com/profile/16044951/Bo-Jackson
 
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Rack162 said:
The 😂🤣 is because I'm joking; I'm not sure why the kid departed, but the "eat his lunch" comment is ridiculous. Recruiting? I've watched both quarterbacks play. St. Clair is clearly a better quarterback, and the fact that you think he'd sit behind Moten is absurd.

I never said Kinsey should win or be the favorite; I just said he should be considered a finalist. I'm tired of fans, particularly Walsh fans, claiming that if Kinsey was on Walsh, he couldn't get 250 a game behind their line against Padua Fran (5-5 D3), Brunswick (3-7 D1), NDCL (5-5 D4), Firestone (5-5 D4), and SVSM (1-9 D2), or that he would struggle if he was on a D1 or D2 team playing against a schedule like Walsh's. Now, any solid starting running back from D1 or D2 would outperform Kinsey🤦.

Kinsey is one of the top RBs in the state. Period. Moten is one of the top QBs in the state; IMO, both are worthy finalists, but putting Kinsey and St. Clair down to prop your guy up is a bad look.

He only played 3 full games. https://www.hudl.com/profile/16044951/Bo-Jackson
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Looks like Jackson's teammates get super hyped up when he scores!!! Not that that means anything but it's an odd sight.
 
Rack162 said:
I never said Kinsey should win or be the favorite; I just said he should be considered a finalist. I'm tired of fans, particularly Walsh fans, claiming that if Kinsey was on Walsh, he couldn't get 250 a game behind their line against Padua Fran (5-5 D3), Brunswick (3-7 D1), NDCL (5-5 D4), Firestone (5-5 D4), and SVSM (1-9 D2), or that he would struggle if he was on a D1 or D2 team playing against a schedule like Walsh's. Now, any solid starting running back from D1 or D2 would outperform Kinsey🤦

Kinsey is one of the top RBs in the state. Period. Moten is one of the top QBs in the state; IMO, both are worthy finalists, but putting Kinsey and St. Clair down to prop your guy up is a bad look.
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To be clear, I don't have "my guy". I gave 5 guys plus adding Feister. I didn't put down either kid - I rebutted your putting down of Moten. I'm pretty sure your "Put St. Clair on Walsh, and he easily wins the award, especially with Moten playing a slot receiver. #EndKinseyHate" and "I've watched both quarterbacks play. St. Clair is clearly a better quarterback, and the fact that you think he'd sit behind Moten is absurd".
Both of those statements pit players against another.

Don't play the high and mighty card when you're the one instigating the putting down of high school players to support your player.

I get it. You favor SE Ohio players. You're fighting for him. Good on you. But don't lay blame on things not stated and don't bend words to fit your agenda.
 
Mad Jack said:
To be clear, I don't have "my guy". I gave 5 guys plus adding Feister. I didn't put down either kid - I rebutted your putting down of Moten. I'm pretty sure your "Put St. Clair on Walsh, and he easily wins the award, especially with Moten playing a slot receiver. #EndKinseyHate" and "I've watched both quarterbacks play. St. Clair is clearly a better quarterback, and the fact that you think he'd sit behind Moten is absurd".
Both of those statements pit players against another.

Don't play the high and mighty card when you're the one instigating the putting down of high school players to support your player.

I get it. You favor SE Ohio players. You're fighting for him. Good on you. But don't lay blame on things not stated and don't bend words to fit your agenda.
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BS! You started it with your put so and so on IV, and "they rush for the same amount of yards, if not more." That is why I made the comment about St. Clair.

I prefer that the top players be nominated; the competitive perspective can be used periodically. However, when Walsh fans dismiss Kinsey's 300 game versus Dover while praising Moten's game against D4 NDCL, it becomes a joke.

Also, you straight up said Moten is a better high school quarterback than St. Clair, which is only a comment that should be made by Moten's parents/family.
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Rack162 said:
BS! You started it with your put so and so on IV, and "they rush for the same amount of yards, if not more." That is why I made the comment about St. Clair.

I prefer that the top players be nominated; the competitive perspective can be used periodically. However, when Walsh fans dismiss Kinsey's 300 game versus Dover while praising Moten's game against D4 NDCL, it becomes a joke.

Also, you straight up said Moten is a better high school quarterback than St. Clair, which is only a comment that should be made by Moten's parents/family.
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I'll reluctantly jump in since I have ties to WJ from back in the day. Rack, you live to dig in and argue it seems. The post did read about St Clair and Moten as HS quarterbacks, but it was on the back of this "St Clair doesn't have his speed or running ability. The WRs weren't getting open vs Hoban, so Moten won it with his feet. St Clair will be a better QB in college for sure, but not in high school."

The last line may not be true, but everything leading up to that last line reads that St Clair doesn't win that game vs Hoban. At least that's how I read it. But, you enjoy fighting everyone against the Walsh QB for some reason. I don't know if you're a Walsh or a parochial hater or what. But you seem to have a lot of angst against a kid that seems to have a lot of support on this thread.

It's like you read every poster that says something good about the kid as a Walsh fan. Yet, these same posters post about many things not attached to Walsh at all. I'm beginning to thing it's more of a Rack162 issue against a kid from Walsh than it is anything else.

Good luck to everyone in the playoffs!
 
Moneyline said:
I'll reluctantly jump in since I have ties to WJ from back in the day. Rack, you live to dig in and argue it seems. The post did read about St Clair and Moten as HS quarterbacks, but it was on the back of this "St Clair doesn't have his speed or running ability. The WRs weren't getting open vs Hoban, so Moten won it with his feet. St Clair will be a better QB in college for sure, but not in high school."

The last line may not be true, but everything leading up to that last line reads that St Clair doesn't win that game vs Hoban. At least that's how I read it. But, you enjoy fighting everyone against the Walsh QB for some reason. I don't know if you're a Walsh or a parochial hater or what. But you seem to have a lot of angst against a kid that seems to have a lot of support on this thread.

It's like you read every poster that says something good about the kid as a Walsh fan. Yet, these same posters post about many things not attached to Walsh at all. I'm beginning to thing it's more of a Rack162 issue against a kid from Walsh than it is anything else.

Good luck to everyone in the playoffs!
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Mr. Moten, I think your son is a helluva player.

The post he originally made about St. Clair stated that St. Clair was not as good a high school QB as Moten but would be a better college QB, and that is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

I'm not arguing with anyone, but if Walsh fans like yourself keep trying to act like Kinsey is not worthy of being in the conversation, I'll chime in. Again, he started this by saying that if you put Highlands RB on IV, he would do better than Kinsey. If he leaves that out, I say NOTHING.

Good Luck to everyone in the playoffs!
 
Pretty amazing what the difference in competition can do to a player. I talked previously about the QB from Lima Senior who was putting up video game stats. Played a pretty good Butler team in the playoffs and they got shut out 31–0. Just goes to show how bad the Toledo city league is.
 
PburgFan2212 said:
Pretty amazing what the difference in competition can do to a player. I talked previously about the QB from Lima Senior who was putting up video game stats. Played a pretty good Butler team in the playoffs and they got shut out 31–0. Just goes to show how bad the Toledo city league is.
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He's a good player, but he wasn't even the best player on his team. They should not have made the playoffs. #8Teams
 
Rack162 said:
He's a good player, but he wasn't even the best player on his team. They should not have made the playoffs. #8Teams
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I think they deserved the playoffs for going 9-1 in the regular season. But being 9-1 and being the #9 seed tells you all you need to know.

I don't mind the 16 team playoff. Sure there are some lopsided wins, but that happens sometimes with good teams. And there are matchups that you wouldn't normally see during the regular season. Also, getting an extra week of practice is good for any program.
 
PburgFan2212 said:
I think they deserved the playoffs for going 9-1 in the regular season. But being 9-1 and being the #9 seed tells you all you need to know.

I don't mind the 16 team playoff. Sure there are some lopsided wins, but that happens sometimes with good teams. And there are matchups that you wouldn't normally see during the regular season. Also, getting an extra week of practice is good for any program.
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Perhaps give the top four a bye and let 5-12 play. However, the majority of the games with the #9-#16 seeds usually involve long bus rides and blowouts.

*#9
 
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dnis30 said:
He should definitely get consideration, but sadly won't. He's nearing 50 TDs.
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He has a solid chance of being a finalist. Will he win? Probably not.

Last year, D4 Poochie Synder was a finalist alongside three other quarterbacks.
 
Is it true that only regular season stats and performance is used in Mr. Football consideration? That's what I have been told but I'm just not sure how accurate that is. Or how you can even expect the people who vote to not know things that they obviously know because voting isn't until right before the Championship game.
 
Rack162 said:
Perhaps give the top four a bye and let 5-12 play. However, the majority of the games with the #9-#16 seeds usually involve long bus rides and blowouts.

*#9
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I would agree with this. That said, some teams wouldn't want the 2 week layoff. But with 16 teams you really can't have any teams with a bye. It would have to be 12 teams. Which is probably OK because seeds #13-#16 went 9-103 this past weekend with 7 of those wins being by the #13 seed. #14 and #15 each had 1 win.
 
PburgFan2212 said:
I would agree with this. That said, some teams wouldn't want the 2 week layoff. But with 16 teams you really can't have any teams with a bye. It would have to be 12 teams. Which is probably OK because seeds #13-#16 went 9-103 this past weekend with 7 of those wins being by the #13 seed. #14 and #15 each had 1 win.
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I meant 5, 6, 7, 8 over 9, 10, 11, 12, and then 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5. The 9-16 comment was just stating some negatives about the current situation.

There could be some teams that prefer to play straight through, but 16 weeks is a lot for high school football, so I'd think there would be some coaches that wouldn't mind a week off.
 
No dog in the fight, but.............I've watched both Ponatoski and Moten. Moten is better by a lot. If he was over 6'2'' he would be a five start recruit.
Better runner and passer, hands down.
 
Rack162 said:
Walsh fans dismiss Kinsey's 300 game versus Dover while praising Moten's game against D4 NDCL, it becomes a joke.
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IV was 0-14 vs Dover til that game, with very few being competitive over the years. It was the single most impressive performance I’ve seen in the last 20 years.
 
Journey said:
IV was 0-14 vs Dover til that game, with very few being competitive over the years. It was the single most impressive performance I’ve seen in the last 20 years.
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It was such an impressive performance, I just hate that no media covered that game. People are really missing out on being able to see a great game.
 
PburgFan2212 said:
I think they deserved the playoffs for going 9-1 in the regular season. But being 9-1 and being the #9 seed tells you all you need to know.

I don't mind the 16 team playoff. Sure there are some lopsided wins, but that happens sometimes with good teams. And there are matchups that you wouldn't normally see during the regular season. Also, getting an extra week of practice is good for any program
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They had to play the worse schedule in the state of Ohio. They fooled me, never seen a bigger fraud of a program in my life. On Friday kids were slamming helmets, after interceptions kids were just walking after the defender, coaches were screaming at one another. It was a complete circus. Any talk of them leaving the Toledo City League has to go out now, they would not survive in any conference in the area.
 
dnis30 said:
@Hazardous Whippet What is his stat line? Where does one find HS stats now-a-days?
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MOAC Football

I don't know if they have updated this since the playoffs started but here's what we are looking at for Brayden Devito.

RUSHINGSCHOOL
ATT​
YRD​
YPC​
TD​
Brayden DeVitoShelby
140​
1056​
7.5​
20​

PASSINGSCHOOL
CMP-ATT​
YRD​
PCT​
TD-INT​
Brayden DeVitoShelby
160-235​
2925​
68.1​
26-6​

Add at least 1 Touchdown to this on a pick 6 last week against Elida.

Had forgotten, He also had 1 receiving TD in that game as well.
 
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