Who will be Ohio’s Mr. Football

Rack162 said:
Mr. Moten, I think your son is a helluva player.

The post he originally made about St. Clair stated that St. Clair was not as good a high school QB as Moten but would be a better college QB, and that is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

I'm not arguing with anyone, but if Walsh fans like yourself keep trying to act like Kinsey is not worthy of being in the conversation, I'll chime in. Again, he started this by saying that if you put Highlands RB on IV, he would do better than Kinsey. If he leaves that out, I say NOTHING.

Good Luck to everyone in the playoffs!
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Definitely funny, Rack. No, I'm not 'Mr. Moten'. But I really appreciate how his kid has brought my team back to relevance.

I think maybe a lot of posters don't realize where Walsh football was not long ago. They were 7-43 over a five year span. They hired a GREAT head coach in Nick Alexander, who brought the program back. But they lacked that 'it' player to be the leader and take over games. That is exactly what this kid has done. He has been their game changer over and over.

The Moeller QB is phenomenal. But he hasn't helped change a program. That program has been awesome forever.

Kinsey is equally great. But if you look purely at this season for what it is and the impact a player has had on a top level team in the state, you have to look at Moten.
 
Moneyline said:
Definitely funny, Rack. No, I'm not 'Mr. Moten'. But I really appreciate how his kid has brought my team back to relevance.

I think maybe a lot of posters don't realize where Walsh football was not long ago. They were 7-43 over a five year span. They hired a GREAT head coach in Nick Alexander, who brought the program back. But they lacked that 'it' player to be the leader and take over games. That is exactly what this kid has done. He has been their game changer over and over.

The Moeller QB is phenomenal. But he hasn't helped change a program. That program has been awesome forever.

Kinsey is equally great. But if you look purely at this season for what it is and the impact a player has had on a top level team in the state, you have to look at Moten.
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Walsh hasn't had over 2 losses in five years. Unless there was a redshirt, I think the credit pretty much goes to the coach. ;) That 2021 team was pretty special too. Had Moten started QB yet? Freshman?

ps:I dont get a vote so don]t feel attacked. :D
 
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eastisbest said:
Walsh hasn't had over 2 losses in five years. Unless there was a redshirt, I think the credit pretty much goes to the coach. ;) That 2021 team was pretty special too. Had Moten started QB yet? Freshman?

ps:I dont get a vote so don]t feel attacked. :D
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Matt Natale started Moten's freshman year. Ryan Kerscher started Keller's sophomore year. Both ended up being All Ohio those years.
 
eastisbest said:
Walsh hasn't had over 2 losses in five years. Unless there was a redshirt, I think the credit pretty much goes to the coach. ;) That 2021 team was pretty special too. Had Moten started QB yet? Freshman?

ps:I dont get a vote so don]t feel attacked. :D
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Nick hadn't beaten Hoban. Ever. Walsh hadn't beaten them in 10 years. Go watch the game and tell me Walsh would've won that game without Moten. Many outside of Walsh & Hoban don't understand the rivalry and what that win meant to us alums.

Nick is the reason they have gotten to where they are and, to me, is the best coach around. Keller is the reason Walsh has made the next step.

I'll add again when both RBs went down before Ursuline, he took on the load and scored 5 TDs against a team that had won 13 straight regular season games before - and hasn't lost again since. Ask coaches or fans of state-contending teams like Hoban, Ursuline, Benedictine and McDowell who they game planned for & still didn't have an answer for.
 
Logndog said:
  • Here is the voting criteria for Ohio’s Mr. Football
  • Performance: 30% of the award is based on the player's performance throughout the season
  • Competition level: 20% of the award is based on the level of competition
  • Online vote: 20% of the award is based on the online vote
  • Big game performance: 15% of the award is based on the player's performance in big games
  • Team success: 10% of the award is based on the player's team's success
  • Highly recruited prospect: 5% of the award is based on whether the player is a highly recruited prospect
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online vote by whom?
 
Moneyline said:
Nick hadn't beaten Hoban. Ever. Walsh hadn't beaten them in 10 years. Go watch the game and tell me Walsh would've won that game without Moten. Many outside of Walsh & Hoban don't understand the rivalry and what that win meant to us alums.

Nick is the reason they have gotten to where they are and, to me, is the best coach around. Keller is the reason Walsh has made the next step.

I'll add again when both RBs went down before Ursuline, he took on the load and scored 5 TDs against a team that had won 13 straight regular season games before - and hasn't lost again since. Ask coaches or fans of state-contending teams like Hoban, Ursuline, Benedictine and McDowell who they game planned for & still didn't have an answer for.
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They did take Hoban to OT in 2021, A lot of teams took awhile to beat Hoban. And almost any tight win wouldn't happen without anyone of several players. That's the dynamic in high school, It wasn't one player and one team isn't the issue. Keep your arguments sound would be my suggestion.

If as you say, the player will have the votes of many of those that cover his opponent teams. Try not to tick them off, lol
 
JCNThoughts said:
Yes, I'm saying why bother with rank 3-8. If we get a better ranking system we can just get the two best teams from each region and do away with this whole playoff format.
I think if a team is more than a 40 point underdog of any regular season game they should also have to forfeit the game and just take the loss. This will prevent extra injuries and serves the same purpose as what you are asking here.
6 regular season games, forced forfeits for blow out games, top two teams from each region going to playoffs. This will maximize each game played and shorten the season for the kids.
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There is a reason this will never happen. The primary source of revenue for the OHSAA is playoff ticket sales. The host schools get a small stipend and have the right to keep parking and concession funds. Every dollar of tickets sales goes to the OHSAA. Hence, more game equals more revenue.
It can be argued that is why there are seven divisions and 6 rounds of playoff games in every region plus the 14 semi-finals and 7 state championship games.
 
eastisbest said:
They did take Hoban to OT in 2021, A lot of teams took awhile to beat Hoban. And almost any tight win wouldn't happen without anyone of several players. That's the dynamic in high school, It wasn't one player and one team isn't the issue. Keep your arguments sound would be my suggestion.
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Okay, if this were in a courtroom, we could introduce evidence. In that case, I'd show you the film of him running for 57 of the 61 yards in the last two minute drive after Walsh had gone down 14-13. Then, I'd show you the 66 yard TD run earlier where it was a run left. There wasn't a hole, so he cutback right at the line and outran numerous high level D1 commits.

I was at the 2OT game. I'd introduce that as evidence #2. I loved Natale as QB - great kid and family. But he, unfortunately, had a couple plays towards the end that weren't made. It's not WHY they lost, but if he made those plays I'm pretty sure Walsh wins that one.

It is a team sport and of course it takes everyone. But they don't win the Hoban game this year without those plays.
 
Moneyline said:
Okay, if this were in a courtroom, we could introduce evidence. In that case, I'd show you the film of him running for 57 of the 61 yards in the last two minute drive after Walsh had gone down 14-13. Then, I'd show you the 66 yard TD run earlier where it was a run left. There wasn't a hole, so he cutback right at the line and outran numerous high level D1 commits.
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The Hoban that barely got by Lake?

Everyone can show you films of how their QB, winning team or not did exactly those things. 🤷 It's the guy with the ball. It's a hard presumption that the next Walsh QB up, who would be developed by the same coaching staff, wouldn't have done the same when the team has been winning for five years.


All it's saying really, it's a HARD award to judge. Most don't get to see the team both with and without the player. No one with a brain is going to believe some dude on a message board with an obvious promotional agenda. Walsh wins no matter who is at QB and don't undersell your program. That includes the Hoban game. They would have been in it.

Anyhow, that game part deux has a great chance of happening. Streamed most likely, giving more people a chance to see your player.

When there is a clear highly recruited player, I think it makes everyone's vote kind of easy. Other than that, it probably gets pretty regional. Being from the most densely populated region, yours probably has a good shot at the award if there's not other local competition.
 
eastisbest said:
The Hoban that barely got by Lake?

Everyone can show you films of how their QB, winning team or not did exactly those things. 🤷 It's the guy with the ball. It's a hard presumption that the next Walsh QB up, who would be developed by the same coaching staff, wouldn't have done the same when the team has been winning for five years.


All it's saying really, it's a HARD award to judge. Most don't get to see the team both with and without the player. No one with a brain is going to believe some dude on a message board with an obvious promotional agenda. Walsh wins no matter who is at QB and don't undersell your program. That includes the Hoban game. They would have been in it.

Anyhow, that game part deux has a great chance of happening. Streamed most likely, giving more people a chance to see your player.

When there is a clear highly recruited player, I think it makes everyone's vote kind of easy. Other than that, it probably gets pretty regional. Being from the most densely populated region, yours probably has a good shot at the award if there's not other local competition.
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You said it all when you said its a hard award to judge. There's probably a solid handful of kids that could win it, but Id love to see Moten win it.
I tend to agree that Walsh wins most of the games with a different QB, but in my opinion, he was the difference in the Hoban game. I also beleive that Hoban will focus their defense on containing Moten if they meet again.
 
Logndog said:
  • Here is the voting criteria for Ohio’s Mr. Football
  • Performance: 30% of the award is based on the player's performance throughout the season
  • Competition level: 20% of the award is based on the level of competition
  • Online vote: 20% of the award is based on the online vote
  • Big game performance: 15% of the award is based on the player's performance in big games
  • Team success: 10% of the award is based on the player's team's success
  • Highly recruited prospect: 5% of the award is based on whether the player is a highly recruited prospect
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This is not for Ohio. Check your source. I believe Ohio is sportswriter voting. No online vote.
 
zski71 said:
This is not for Ohio. Check your source. I believe Ohio is sportswriter voting. No online vote.
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This is what I found?
 

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Logndog said:
Completely FALSE
  • Here is the voting criteria for Ohio’s Mr. Football
  • Performance: 30% of the award is based on the player's performance throughout the season
  • Competition level: 20% of the award is based on the level of competition
  • Online vote: 20% of the award is based on the online vote
  • Big game performance: 15% of the award is based on the player's performance in big games
  • Team success: 10% of the award is based on the player's team's success
  • Highly recruited prospect: 5% of the award is based on whether the player is a highly recruited prospect
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FBLFAN said:
Dumb statement.

Yes, also the same Hoban that beat Ed's at Ed's, best Glenville and has won every game except against Walsh Jesuit and against the #8 team in the nation. Horrible take.
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It's "dumb" to remove context and purpose. :) ;)

The point was, a poster wanted to use one game as "evidence." So I used one game. As I did earlier using Ursuline, a lower division school. Neither was a serious attempt to derail, which player should get the award.

The point that it's just not that easy an award to determine and that no one is going to base it on the hard sell that poster is putting on. A hard sell BTW that I've not once contested nor have a vote on, yet he seems to strongly wants to convince me.

Great support for the player. As they go through play-offs and games are streamed and televised, people, particularly voters will get to see the players for themselves, without an overzealous sell job in their ear.
 
zski71 said:
Search again. Click on the little icon at the end of the recruitment section. It takes you to Michigan HS site. That must be the Michigan process. Can't trust everything you google.
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magedona said:
It's COMPLETELY Ohio sportswriter voting. Nothing else.
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I did contact a friend last night who is one of the voters and he explained to me how the process worked.
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Care to give us a little overview? I've always been curious how it works but it seems the info found online isn't accurate.
 
magedona said:
It's COMPLETELY Ohio sportswriter voting. Nothing else.
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If this is true, it will go to a player with a big fan base or school following. Moeller, Avon, Mentor, etc.

I'm genuinely interested in seeing this play out. Looking at last year, there are seven sportswriter districts. If there are too many potential winners in one area, then other areas will vote their player in by default. In this case, NEO has Maloney, Moten, Davis, Jackson, Good, Fox, Ferrell, Myser, etc. SEO has Ponatoski and MAYBE Terry or the Anderson QB? Central has a few good WRs? East has Ashland QB and Kinsey. NW has Lima QB?

Looking at this, it'll be the SEO kids again because they have less competition for the MANY sportswriters in the market. NEO kids will get the shaft, in my opinion. If this is the case, the Ohio Sportswriters need to look in the mirror and ask if they are truly voting the most deserving player, or just the player they have locally. Or are they only looking at stats and offers? Because that's the easy route - and God knows there are a LOT of writers that take the easy route...
 
MOB said:
If this is true, it will go to a player with a big fan base or school following. Moeller, Avon, Mentor, etc.

I'm genuinely interested in seeing this play out. Looking at last year, there are seven sportswriter districts. If there are too many potential winners in one area, then other areas will vote their player in by default. In this case, NEO has Maloney, Moten, Davis, Jackson, Good, Fox, Ferrell, Myser, etc. SEO has Ponatoski and MAYBE Terry or the Anderson QB? Central has a few good WRs? East has Ashland QB and Kinsey. NW has Lima QB?

Looking at this, it'll be the SEO kids again because they have less competition for the MANY sportswriters in the market. NEO kids will get the shaft, in my opinion. If this is the case, the Ohio Sportswriters need to look in the mirror and ask if they are truly voting the most deserving player, or just the player they have locally. Or are they only looking at stats and offers? Because that's the easy route - and God knows there are a LOT of writers that take the easy route...
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This means of selecting the Mr. Football isn't new. Almost every point you made, is not supported by history.
 
Is this just a senior award? The RB for Indian Valley is only a junior, but he should definitely be considered.
 
McMurphy said:
Is this just a senior award? The RB for Indian Valley is only a junior, but he should definitely be considered.
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Juniors have won it before but it definitely isn’t the norm. I think he will be a finalist for sure but winning it is tough for a kid from a small school, especially a junior.
 
Combo said:
Juniors have won it before but it definitely isn’t the norm. I think he will be a finalist for sure but winning it is tough for a kid from a small school, especially a junior.
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Yes, I do understand, but watching video of him, he is a special RB
 
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