Who will be Ohio’s Mr. Football

Agree that there is some over-selling from Moneyline on this player. However, that's still pretty cool what the kid did in the Brunswick game.

That's not something you see from many high school kids.
eh, it's pretty common here. It's almost obligatory. Not to challenge the authenticiy of that player's actions or show my butt but observationally, anything the kids see the pros/tiktiok/Utube do, they will do. Be it celebrations. shows of sportsmanship and compassion (which I find best done discretely), dropping the ball before crossing the line grrrrr.

They're almost selling points now. I've seen enough less than steller personalities, look at me types, put on that show. Granting it's also possible that seeing it done on social media has made it acceptable for some kids to be their real where it used to be, you go to your sideline, they go to theirs. In my smaller city neighborhoods, they very most likely know that player that went down and they want to show their support. Probably the same for these two teams you're talking about.

I think I've dragged this thread off enough though. Lots of good candidates. Voters get to use their own criteria. No mandates. It's a good award.
 
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I don’t really like the argument “the team would be worse without this kid”. Well ya, that’s true for every kid that’s been mentioned on this thread. Maybe the bigger schools would have an easier time filling the void, but all of them are special, and obviously prop up their team.
There's levels to it.
 
The fact is it all comes down to stats. Wish it didn’t but it does. Stats don’t equal “Mr. Football”. I think TSC will be robbed of the award for things outside of his control…
 
Moeller’s Ponatoski has 34 TD & only 2 INT against top teams in D1. Throwing 5 TD’s vs 3x defending state champ doesn’t hurt. Breaking records at a place like Moeller is toooough..especially as a junior. Dude just cuts up defenses
 
Moeller’s Ponatoski has 34 TD & only 2 INT against top teams in D1. Throwing 5 TD’s vs 3x defending state champ doesn’t hurt. Breaking records at a place like Moeller is toooough..especially as a junior. Dude just cuts up
Moeller’s Ponatoski has 34 TD & only 2 INT against top teams in D1. Throwing 5 TD’s vs 3x defending state champ doesn’t hurt. Breaking records at a place like Moeller is toooough..especially as a junior. Dude just cuts up defenses
Again with “top teams in D1” thing… have him switch places with St. Clair and the stats drastically change. St. Clair on the other hand would blow those numbers out of the water with a supporting cast and a staff that throws more. Again things out of his control
 
Again with “top teams in D1” thing… have him switch places with St. Clair and the stats drastically change. St. Clair on the other hand would blow those numbers out of the water with a supporting cast and a staff that throws more. Again things out of his control
Hypotheticals don’t matter
 
Again with “top teams in D1” thing… have him switch places with St. Clair and the stats drastically change. St. Clair on the other hand would blow those numbers out of the water with a supporting cast and a staff that throws more. Again things out of his control

Maybe he should have transferred? Probably would have been better for prepping him for OSU.
 
Maybe he should have transferred? Probably would have been better for prepping him for OSU.
He’s got plenty of exposure at his little D3 school, #1 recruit in the state and #2 in this class. What I love about the kid he absolutely could have transferred anywhere to play ball but he wanted to start what he finished and play with the kids he grew up with. You don’t see that often these days.

He is by far the best in the state overall and the best player to come out of Bellefontaine since Gail Clark(Michigan State/1973 draft) but I don’t believe he will get Mr Ohio this year. Looking forward to watching him in the future on Saturday’s though.
 
He’s got plenty of exposure at his little D3 school, #1 recruit in the state and #2 in this class. What I love about the kid he absolutely could have transferred anywhere to play ball but he wanted to start what he finished and play with the kids he grew up with. You don’t see that often these days.

He is by far the best in the state overall and the best player to come out of Bellefontaine since Gail Clark(Michigan State/1973 draft) but I don’t believe he will get Mr Ohio this year. Looking forward to watching him in the future on Saturday’s though.
He is the best hs football player in the state, hands down. If he doesn’t win it proves that this all a popularity contest.
 
He is the best hs football player in the state, hands down. If he doesn’t win it proves that this all a popularity contest.
em, well, he is a five star recruit to THE state university so I'm thinking, he's probably popular. I'm not sure you're making a sound debate point there. If stats is how the award game is played then being a five star from a relatively unknown program is a darn compelling stat. And BellFontaine is the highest point inthe state. He doesn't get the award, you all can just take a piss downhill on the rest of us. So there is that.

Hypothetically speaking, if Moten got hurt and did not play this season, Walsh probably loses 3-4 games.

They don't have anyone on the roster that could step in and does what he does for the team. He is that important.

I also agree that the selling has gotten verbose.

Fair enough to play the hypothetical game. Ok. If Moten didn't play and next man up and the rest of the team intact as is. .. I'll spot you Ursuline and Hoban even though I'm not convinced. Name your other two losses. :D
 
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em, well, he is a five star recruit to THE state university so I'm thinking, he's probably popular. I'm not sure you're making a sound debate point there. If stats is how the award game is played then being a five star from a relatively unknown program is a darn compelling stat. And BellFontaine is the highest point inthe state. He doesn't get the award, you all can just take a piss downhill on the rest of us. So there is that.



Fair enough to play the hypothetical game. Ok. If Moten didn't play and next man up and the rest of the team intact as is. .. I'll spot you Ursuline and Hoban even though I'm not convinced. Name your other two losses. :D
He has not been the popular one, and is my point! It’s not supposed to be a flat stat decision or the panel of sports writers wouldn’t need to vote. I have no idea of what point your trying to convey with the pissing comment..so there is that.
 
em, well, he is a five star recruit to THE state university so I'm thinking, he's probably popular. I'm not sure you're making a sound debate point there. If stats is how the award game is played then being a five star from a relatively unknown program is a darn compelling stat. And BellFontaine is the highest point inthe state. He doesn't get the award, you all can just take a piss downhill on the rest of us. So there is that.



Fair enough to play the hypothetical game. Ok. If Moten didn't play and next man up and the rest of the team intact as is. .. I'll spot you Ursuline and Hoban even though I'm not convinced. Name your other two losses. :D
If he doesn't play vs Benedictine, we beat Walsh that night. I'm not saying we are the better team, but we would've beaten them on that night if it weren't for him. They had a RB go for 200, but that's because our D sold out to stop the QB. And he still scored 3 TDs.

Maybe they were looking ahead to Hoban the next week, I don't know.
 
em, well, he is a five star recruit to THE state university so I'm thinking, he's probably popular. I'm not sure you're making a sound debate point there. If stats is how the award game is played then being a five star from a relatively unknown program is a darn compelling stat. And BellFontaine is the highest point inthe state. He doesn't get the award, you all can just take a piss downhill on the rest of us. So there is that.



Fair enough to play the hypothetical game. Ok. If Moten didn't play and next man up and the rest of the team intact as is. .. I'll spot you Ursuline and Hoban even though I'm not convinced. Name your other two losses. :D

Benedictine, Hoban, Ursuline, McDowell.
 
Marquise Davis has more yards in the regular season this year, while missing games, than Jordan Marshall did last year lmao. But sure if the highest ranked player doesn't win again that'll definitely prove it's a popularity contest. This thread is just drunk man
 
Marquise Davis has more yards in the regular season this year, while missing games, than Jordan Marshall did last year lmao. But sure if the highest ranked player doesn't win again that'll definitely prove it's a popularity contest. This thread is just drunk man
I think you're drunk, because if your argument is stats, then give it to Kinsey. The problem with this award is there is no real clear definition to it.
It shouldn't be just stats or who is the 'best player', because stats are skewed to competition and 'best player' is heavily opinionated.

At the end of the day, they will give it to some big time recruit, so your guy will be in consideration. Especially now that they decided to focus on getting him stats these last few weeks while playing teams that have already quit on the season. Saturday day games are even better because half the kids on the team that quit will be out the night before. I'm guessing there were a few Euclid kids moving a bit slow last Saturday. Shaker will be no different.
 
I think you're drunk, because if your argument is stats, then give it to Kinsey. The problem with this award is there is no real clear definition to it.
It shouldn't be just stats or who is the 'best player', because stats are skewed to competition and 'best player' is heavily opinionated.

At the end of the day, they will give it to some big time recruit, so your guy will be in consideration. Especially now that they decided to focus on getting him stats these last few weeks while playing teams that have already quit on the season. Saturday day games are even better because half the kids on the team that quit will be out the night before. I'm guessing there were a few Euclid kids moving a bit slow last Saturday. Shaker will be no different.
You should probably reread what I said because that wasn't my point. At all. He is not my guy. He was last year. I've clearly stated Kinsey is this year on multiple occasions.
 
Brayden DeVito from Shelby outplayed Ohio State WR commit, Bodpegn Miller on Friday night in a match-up of two 8-0 teams. Don't get me wrong, BP was the best athlete on the field. You'll get no argument from me there. But DeVito is special. In a 50-36 win, he was 20-of-27 passing for 304 (3 TD's) and ran 25 times for 185 (4 TD's).
You beat me to it. The DeVito kid is special. 41 TDs on the season.
 
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Kid from Indian Valley( not sure of his name) ..Ontrack to break single season rushing yds record in state of Ohio regardless of division
 
Everyone getting all worked up on this string needs to chill. It's a string about Mr. Football, which is voted on by AP writers. I assure you, they will NOT be using this forum to make their decision.

As for those that are going overboard in promoting their guys (I see a lot of Kinsey, Moten, Davis, St Clair), that's okay. No need to call people out that are passionate about their favorites. Kinsey, Lima QB and Davis have stats. Moten has key plays in big games and leadership (Brunswick stuff was really cool to read - that's special stuff). St Clair has easily the biggest college offer in the state and may be the best of the bunch in college and/or the NFL. They are ALL deserving.

It's okay to allow people to boast about their favorites. It's just a forum, for heaven's sake. This isn't a courtroom where you should be denouncing anyone.
 
Everyone getting all worked up on this string needs to chill. It's a string about Mr. Football, which is voted on by AP writers. I assure you, they will NOT be using this forum to make their decision.

As for those that are going overboard in promoting their guys (I see a lot of Kinsey, Moten, Davis, St Clair), that's okay. No need to call people out that are passionate about their favorites. Kinsey, Lima QB and Davis have stats. Moten has key plays in big games and leadership (Brunswick stuff was really cool to read - that's special stuff). St Clair has easily the biggest college offer in the state and may be the best of the bunch in college and/or the NFL. They are ALL deserving.

It's okay to allow people to boast about their favorites. It's just a forum, for heaven's sake. This isn't a courtroom where you should be denouncing anyone.

How dare you talk sense into this topic?!
 
Benedictine, Hoban, Ursuline, McDowell.
You just argued against your guy. Didn't you? I thought you were going to add in some of the weaker teams on the schedule.

Excepting the Walsh games, there's only 4 losses total amongst those teams. Maybe I should have given you chance to say how badly Walsh would have lost to those teams?


The poster I initially responded to seemed to have higher aspirations. That somehow the team would be useless without this POY candidate. That he was elevating Walsh from middle of the road or worse (which they were prior to the new coach's arrival) to the top. It's arguing what others are saying: if you're surrounded by better players than most of the teams you play, you're going to look better than someone elevating a less skilled team.

You do however make great argument that coach should be getting consideration for COY. Has he won it yet?

1-2 wins to 1-2 losses practically over-night is a rarity. That doesn't just come from getting better players into the private school. That's coaching them better, calling the x's and o's better. I wish Toledo CC was still D2. I would look forward to that coaching match-up as well seeing Moten first hand against a solid team.

Thanks for the back and forth. Good luck to your player in the voting.
 
It's okay to allow people to boast about their favorites. It's just a forum, for heaven's sake. This isn't a courtroom where you should be denouncing anyone.
Too true and too funny!
You just argued against your guy. Didn't you? I thought you were going to add in some of the weaker teams on the schedule.

Excepting the Walsh games, there's only 4 losses total amongst those teams. Maybe I should have given you chance to say how badly Walsh would have lost to those teams?

The poster I initially responded to seemed to have higher aspirations. That somehow the team would be useless without this POY candidate. That he was elevating Walsh from middle of the road or worse (which they were prior to the new coach's arrival) to the top. It's arguing what others are saying: if you're surrounded by better players than most of the teams you play, you're going to look better than someone elevating a less skilled team.

You do however make great argument that coach should be getting consideration for COY. Has he won it yet?

1-2 wins to 1-2 losses practically over-night is a rarity. That doesn't just come from getting better players into the private school. That's coaching them better, calling the x's and o's better. I wish Toledo CC was still D2. I would look forward to that coaching match-up as well seeing Moten first hand against a solid team.

Thanks for the back and forth. Good luck to your player in the voting.
I don't see it the same way. In reading it, he basically says they wouldn't be where they are at 9-0. At no point did I read it as they would fall off the map. Their coach is outstanding - would LOVE him at Bene. But in order to be a great coach, you great players.

AJM gave 4 teams they Walsh loses to without the QB. How is that arguing against his guy?
Are you stating Walsh is basically the same team at 5-4 as they are at 9-0?
I guess I don't understand your angle on this. Maybe it's just me.
 
Too true and too funny!

I don't see it the same way. In reading it, he basically says they wouldn't be where they are at 9-0. At no point did I read it as they would fall off the map. Their coach is outstanding - would LOVE him at Bene. But in order to be a great coach, you great players.

AJM gave 4 teams they Walsh loses to without the QB. How is that arguing against his guy?
Are you stating Walsh is basically the same team at 5-4 as they are at 9-0?
I guess I don't understand your angle on this. Maybe it's just me.
The jimmy and joes argument. I not a big believer in it.

Naw I think it was how I interpreted the original post that I bantered: that without this candidate, Watterson is meh, as if another pretty capable player wouldn't be replacing him. Maybe I missed the mark.

I'm still hesitant to grant him four games. Success here very heavily leans on the coaching. Recent history backs me up I believe. Teams like that don't have to have that superstar because they have a very high average of game knowledge and talent. I don't know details but I would grant, that to get that turn around in such a short time, the new coach probably also "found" a few players, in addition to the ones already in the system that he developed. But generally, all the kids know their role, know the plays, are fit, are team. Most coaches working with what they have, can't get that balance. There's always someones not quite on the same page that can be exploited. Doesn't know the plays. Can't learn the plays. Can't keep their nerve. So on.

Goes to my position on another thread, ML vs. Massillon. ML isn't going to get rolled over for much the same reasons, regardless they're out-talented and out sized. They are that highly balanced.
 
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t's okay to allow people to boast about their favorites. It's just a forum, for heaven's sake. This isn't a courtroom where you should be denouncing anyone.
It's the rare forum where other ideas and approaches aren't "denounced." lol. Your "denouncing" is exactly what you're denouncing. 🤷 You gave your suggestion, I'll give mine. Roll with it. Challenging statements and ideas is exactly what a forum is. People that know that, aren't easily put on the defensive. They double down. But I suspect from your rhetoric, you already know that and gave it a try anyhow.
 
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By accounts of this thread, Mr. Football must have saved babies from a fire, while catching his own 99 yd TD pass. with his entire team injured that would only be 1-9 if he didn't lace them up. Helps if he's an orphan.
I also agree that the selling has gotten verbose.
I hear you both, and apologize if I've gone too far. As an alum and someone that has followed WJ for over 20 years, this team excites me and I've grown a great respect for their QB. There is more to share than I have, but I thought what he did at the Brunswick game showed something different. Something that sets him apart and that I haven't seen from a high school kid before. Maybe sharing it was crossing the line, but I felt it was something that needed to be shared. To me, high school football is more than just football. At the college and NFL levels it becomes business. In high school, it's still somewhat pure - and that was a pure moment by a kid that deserves recognition.
 
I hear you both, and apologize if I've gone too far. As an alum and someone that has followed WJ for over 20 years, this team excites me and I've grown a great respect for their QB. There is more to share than I have, but I thought what he did at the Brunswick game showed something different. Something that sets him apart and that I haven't seen from a high school kid before. Maybe sharing it was crossing the line, but I felt it was something that needed to be shared. To me, high school football is more than just football. At the college and NFL levels it becomes business. In high school, it's still somewhat pure - and that was a pure moment by a kid that deserves recognition.
I wouldn't say you crossed a line at all you just oversold it a little lol. Only in relation to the award. It is definitely a story worth sharing though because that is special stuff from a kid. We need more of that in society
 
Now that the regular season is over, and with it the end of what they are supposed to consider for Mr. Football, any new input? Still think the same players are in the running? Any new names?
 
Since my first post, I made it a point to go watch a few of these kids live. See how they play in person tells a lot more than stats.
- DC Ferrell from Ursuline looked banged up when I went to their game against VASJ. He looked good, but you could tell something was nagging him.
- Ponatoski I saw play Ignatius. He looked good, albeit against a depleted Ignatius secondary. He was in control of the offense and can place the ball really well.
- Moten I saw play Hoban and then again last week against Padua. He balled out against Hoban. Best player on the field. Against Padua he scored 3x in the first quarter and then the coach took him out mid way through the 2nd quarter.
- I saw Davis play against Shaker. He's great, but Shaker wasn't even trying to tackle him. They looked like a team that didn't want to play.
- Myser I saw play too. He's great, but kudos to his O-Line. I mean, he was running through gaping holes the entire game. But he's definitely one of the best RBs I've seen this year.

I still say Moten is my choice. Davis is the stud of the class and will probably get votes for his stats, even though they are inflated against bad competition. I know people hate this opinion, but I don't believe in lower division kids that play lesser competition deserve this award. Consideration, yes. To win it, no. I know there's a lot of support for the Indian Valley kid. If the Hoban or Highland RBs play there, they both rush for the same amount of yards, if not more.
 
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