For the stat guys he can't be overlooked.
Who will be Ohio’s Mr. Football
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eastisbest
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Does "level of competition" mean relative to the team you're on or relative to state?
If the former, I guess I would agree with you. I see Mr. Football as a most valuable and let the college recruiting deal with best players.
What quantitates most valuable to you?
AjmBaseball1
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Level of teams you face.
MOB
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I understand what you're going after, but don't think I agree. In high school, the advantage is on the defensive side. See the D2 state championship last year, 7-2 final score. So, for an athlete to make a significant impact when playing against high-end defenses over and over, they deserve the recognition.
I'm my mind, I know how a stud player would play vs lesser competition at a smaller school. I'm not as clear as to how a small school kid would play at a larger school. And I'm not using the if's and but's argument "if a D5 kid had the high end coaching staff" type of stuff.
Go watch Eds play Moeller. Find the Walsh vs Hoban game. Maybe check out TCC vs Whitmer. Then watch a game with one of these D4 or D5 players tear up a defense ranked 500th in the state. And be honest with yourself.
I still love my guy Maloney, but my vote for the Walsh QB, Keller Moten, remains solid. After our game, I found their game vs Ursuline on WKBN and I also watched the Hoban game. He outran a defense filled with high end D1 prospects on a cutback. The play wasn't even set to go in the direction it did. Heck, the one kid that's ranked the #1 CB in the NATION for the 2026 class had the angle on him, but still didn't catch him. After that, all he did was lead a 2 minute drive (where he carried the load) against arguably the best defense in Ohio to win the game. What more do you want? Stats? Come on.
We played Walsh. They have a lot of really, really good players. But they don't have a roster filled with D1 guys like Hoban or Eds or Moeller. They have one offensive linemen getting some love from MAC schools. So not every team that plays big time teams has equal talent. It's just not true.
Bene gave them everything they could handle, and I'm proud as hell of the MOB players. But we didn't have an answer for #8.
eastisbest
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Since it's not a position specific award, I think of it as a Most Valuable. Kind of a value added award. Which one's for you?
I think it’s the best player in the state.
pcbuck
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For reference, at the beginning of the season Hoban had 14 players with D1 FBS offers (9 with Power 4 offers) with 3 commits: Eli Lee ((Ohio State), Tayte Crable (Toledo), and Tylan Boykin (E Michigan).
Rack162
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Like I said, in 5 minutes I found 7, they probably have more. But yeah, Eli is one of the best in the state. What does "at the beginning" mean? Is it because of their injuries that they appear to be down in comparison to previous seasons?
Anyway, having at least 7 D1 guys with offers is A LOT different than "one offensive lineman getting some love from mac schools".
pcbuck
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At the beginning of the season means that there could be more from Hoban with offers now. When I looked at this in August the Knights had 14 with D1 offers, all 14 had FBS offers, and 9 with P4 offers.
Only 7 Walsh players have D1 offers, 5 of those with FBS offers and 1 with P4 offers. The ones you found are the only ones with offers.
MOB is a Benedictine fan so I wouldn’t expect him to know which Walsh players have offers.
Rack162
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Gotcha.
Having 7 D1 football guys, 5 of whom have mostly Mac and Sun Belt offers, is still a big deal in high school football. Maybe not to a handful of Ohio teams, but to the vast majority it is.
Moneyline
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I'm pretty sure he was responding to the reference "playing behind a superior offensive line", which is why he only referenced the one OL and not the other positions.
FBLFAN
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Holy moly are you sensitive. I didn't say HIS dad. I said that site relies on dads and fans to put info in. You are really pushing hard on this thread, so you must have a personal stake in it or something.
MaxPreps has some good stuff on it, but a LOT of the stats and scores throughout the site aren't accurate. Way more teams don't use MaxPreps than do because of the inaccuracies.
I think people get sensitive when you try to downplay a kid's accomplishments, saying a kid's stats are suspect definitely does that. It is a reach that any legitimate varsity program would allow someone to just post fake stats on a nationally recognized site. It would be really easy to prove they were wrong in today's world of media coverage and game streaming.
Isn't Davis a 4 star recruit and a top rated RB nationally? So there goes that argument.
Joshua Niemann
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Another name to throw in, Justice Burnam. If you want to argue other QBs have a better argument, that’s fair, but I feel like the WR convo should include Trace Jallick from Anderson, WR1 on Anderson and continues to put up insane numbers. 54 rec/1066 yards/10tds, thru 8 weeks
SidneyHigh
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Drew Pasteur has Lima Senior at #44 in D2 which is more realistic.
They have nearly the weakest schedule in D2 so that probably disqualifies him in the eyes of the voters.
FBLFAN
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Ok, another overly-sensitive person. Please read through everything I've typed and reconsider what you said.
I never questioned his stats. I only pointed out that using MaxPreps is not a great source because so much of it is erroneous. Use another source - MaxPreps is not a reliable source. That's all I'm saying.
Rack162
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His response-
"I understand what you're going after, but don't think I agree. In high school, the advantage is on the defensive side. See the D2 state championship last year, 7-2 final score. So, for an athlete to make a significant impact when playing against high-end defenses over and over, they deserve the recognition.
I'm my mind, I know how a stud player would play vs lesser competition at a smaller school. I'm not as clear as to how a small school kid would play at a larger school. And I'm not using the if's and but's argument "if a D5 kid had the high end coaching staff" type of stuff.
Go watch Eds play Moeller. Find the Walsh vs Hoban game. Maybe check out TCC vs Whitmer. Then watch a game with one of these D4 or D5 players tear up a defense ranked 500th in the state. And be honest with yourself.
I still love my guy Maloney, but my vote for the Walsh QB, Keller Moten, remains solid. After our game, I found their game vs Ursuline on WKBN and I also watched the Hoban game. He outran a defense filled with high end D1 prospects on a cutback. The play wasn't even set to go in the direction it did. Heck, the one kid that's ranked the #1 CB in the NATION for the 2026 class had the angle on him, but still didn't catch him. After that, all he did was lead a 2 minute drive (where he carried the load) against arguably the best defense in Ohio to win the game. What more do you want? Stats? Come on.
We played Walsh. They have a lot of really, really good players. But they don't have a roster filled with D1 guys like Hoban or Eds or Moeller. They have one offensive linemen getting some love from MAC schools. So not every team that plays big time teams has equal talent. It's just not true.
Bene gave them everything they could handle, and I'm proud as hell of the MOB players. But we didn't have an answer for #8."
My response to that -
"Just from spending 5 minutes on their Twitter feed, they have at least 7 guys with D1 offers.
Crossley
Henry D1 FCS
Moten D1 FCS
Carter
Parris
Blascak
Brewer.
Offers from Wisconsin to St. Francis U."
He wasn’t even ranked until April of this year.
Doverbuck1
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Kinsey has to be in the running,kid is chiseled
What? He had plenty of P5 offers coming into last year. But this is exactly why recruiting rankings aren't taken into account lol
Cleveland Heights Coach Mac Stephens Calls Ohio State Target Marquise Davis "One Of The Best Running Backs in The Country" and Earning an OSU Offer Was a "Big Deal" to Brandon Caesar
Mac Stephens, who coaches 2025 Ohio State targets Marquise Davis and Brandon Caesar at Cleveland Heights, talks about their fast starts this year and their interest in OSU.
You sounded confident lol. But no. He was offered January 2023, 15 months before you claim.
He was ranked all last season had a top 200 player and a top 15 RB in his class. Not sure where you get your information from.
So again, Davis was a 4 star top 15 RB in his class with.20 D1 offers last year. Common knowledge. He had an Ohio State offer last spring.
Now again, now that I have educated you...explain to me again why Marshall was the pick over Davis last year. They both played D1 in Ohio, both made playoff runs and both were 4 star RBs with P5 offers.
I will wait.
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Thank you lol. Davis was ranked and recruited by P5 after his sophomore year. He was a 4 star safety. The only thing that happened last year is the 2200 yard season which got him more attention at RB.
Dude is ignorant on the subject or recruiting..or grasping at straws. His argument makes no sense.
The biggest difference between the two last year is Davis had a lot more yards and played 2 ways and was a year younger with similar recruiting rank lol. Make it make sense.
Cleveland Heights Coach Mac Stephens Calls Ohio State Target Marquise Davis "One Of The Best Running Backs in The Country" and Earning an OSU Offer Was a "Big Deal" to Brandon Caesar
Mac Stephens, who coaches 2025 Ohio State targets Marquise Davis and Brandon Caesar at Cleveland Heights, talks about their fast starts this year and their interest in OSU.
Weird. This article says Davis was offered January 2023. This dude claimed he was offers last April. He is only 15 months off.
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MOB
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My response was to Bruce Monnin (see below). Read that for context and take my response how you wish to twist it so it fits your agenda.
Competition matters. Walsh doesn't have an Ed's O-Line from last year. They have one MAC school guy. That's my point. Hopefully this makes it more clear.
Rack162
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No agenda. "etc" means similar things. Line, coaches, skill Players, depth, special teams, backs, corners, etc.
Eds and Moeller have nothing to do with D2 Walsh.
You clearly were acting like they don't have any elite high school players outside Moten, which is false. Walsh has at least 7 D1 guys and 2 or 3 others that will get offers.
Educate me..that’s funny. If you take a second and read that I said ranked and not offered. I’m sorry that your reading comprehension is at a low level, and proves the fact that you should not debate with your emotions because commonly people with low content will result to insulting the other party.Cleveland Heights Coach Mac Stephens Calls Ohio State Target Marquise Davis "One Of The Best Running Backs in The Country" and Earning an OSU Offer Was a "Big Deal" to Brandon Caesar
Mac Stephens, who coaches 2025 Ohio State targets Marquise Davis and Brandon Caesar at Cleveland Heights, talks about their fast starts this year and their interest in OSU.www.elevenwarriors.com
You sounded confident lol. But no. He was offered January 2023, 15 months before you claim.
He was ranked all last season had a top 200 player and a top 15 RB in his class. Not sure where you get your information from.
So again, Davis was a 4 star top 15 RB in his class with.20 D1 offers last year. Common knowledge. He had an Ohio State offer last spring.
Now again, now that I have educated you...explain to me again why Marshall was the pick over Davis last year. They both played D1 in Ohio, both made playoff runs and both were 4 star RBs with P5 offers.
I will wait.
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MOB
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Take it how you want to take it. I clarified what I meant, don't infer what I meant.