What about the peaceful transition?

underthelights said:
I find it interesting how many of the MAGA crowd defends them but when there were protests in Baltimore, LA, Minneapolis, etc... but I think I have figured it out and have created a guide to help all of you that are confused.

A Guide to Understanding Why One Protest is "Patriotic" and the Other "Criminal"
  1. Setting the Scene: Context is Key! If you're planning a protest, it’s all about the venue. Storming the U.S. Capitol? Clearly a whimsical display of patriotism! After all, it’s the home of democracy! Protesting in public spaces for social justice? Criminal behavior! - those are meant for leisurely strolls and picnics, not passionate pleas for equality.
  2. Participants' Attire: Fashion Statements Matter! Make sure to wear the right gear. Donning tactical vests and waving flags? That’s fashion-forward! Meanwhile, wearing black tees and shouting for justice? Only associated with troublemakers... didn’t they realize black is a slimming color, not a revolutionary statement?
  3. Objectives: Goals Define Morality! If your goals include restoring a dubious and fabricated election narrative, that’s noble! But if you’re advocating for civil rights, fairness, and accountability, well, then you’re clearly up to no good. Everyone knows justice is a slippery slope, best left for the courts and not the streets!
  4. Reactions from Authorities: A Clear Indicator! When you’re met with a lightly sprinkled presence of law enforcement, obviously it's because the mood was festive! Conversely, when a peaceful protest sees a militarized response, it’s simply because they must ‘keep the peace.'Clearly peace can be quite intimidating.
  5. Media Coverage: The Final Word! If the media’s framing highlights chaos, it’s an insurrection; when it focuses on peaceful messages, it’s somehow a violent riot. Forget looking beyond headlines; just remember, narrative consistency is for nerds.
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Hmmm funny you don't bring up the 2020 BLM/ANTIFA riots when they actually did use fire and violence to try and damage and break into Federal Buildings. Oh yea But January 6th. So the only one killed on J6 was an unarmed person climbing in through a window. If this was a "real" insurrection there would have been a lot more violence and death on that day. You Libbies will use this one day of stupidity by some energized people because that's all you got. As I've mentioned before, there have been many attacks against Conservatives and Republicans that you conveniently turn a blind eye.
 
brian1227 said:
Biden will attend trump did not.biden has class.Top 15 president.trump.bottom 3.
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underthelights said:
While personal responsibility and choices definitely play significant roles in an individual's success, it’s important to recognize that the playing field isn’t always level for everyone. Since the BLM has been beaten to death here, take a look at many of America's Native American Reservations. For example, Standing Rock Reservation has an 85-90% unemployment rate. Are you suggesting that almost everyone there is equal to you, but is just lazy and doesn't have your work ethic? Or are you simply smarter than everyone else there? ...or is it partly due because they're stuck in an isolated area intentionally held down due to systematic oppression and racism? ...or does it meet somewhere in the middle? To suggest they have had equal opportunities to either of us is laughable and illustrates your lack real world perspective.

Consider that some people face obstacles that others might not even see. Factors like access to quality education, healthcare, socioeconomic background, and even systemic biases can all impact one’s opportunities, regardless of their work ethic.

So while it’s true that life choices are crucial, it’s also essential to acknowledge that not everyone starts the race from the same line, and sometimes the hurdles placed in front of people aren’t of their making. It’s all part of a larger conversation about creating a society that fosters both opportunity and support for everyone, so we can work toward more equitable outcomes together. We want to encourage hard work, but let’s also make sure not to ignore the systems that can hold people back. Look at us both sound utopian. :ROFLMAO:
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Suck it up, buttercup. No one ever gave me anything. There is no guarantee that we all start life in optimum conditions, nor should there be. There is no utopia until Jesus Christ returns. Everybody has a different idea of what should be. Right now citizens of the US have the right to pursue anything here that they can afford to purchase. Get busy.
 
underthelights said:
This is actually something I have taught to graduate students. Here are some links to sources for you from a recent presentation. I'm sure you won't look at them, because why would you challenge yourself to think outside of your comfortable box, but here they are anyways.

Here are just a few resources that provide evidence and further information regarding the challenges faced by Native Americans, particularly in the context of discrimination, poverty, and education:

  1. U.S. Commission on Civil Rights: "Broken Promises: Assessing the Federal Government's Trust Responsibility to Tribal Nations" (2018)
    • This report discusses the historical context of discrimination against Native Americans and assesses the government’s obligations to tribal nations.
    • Link: Broken Promises Report
  2. National Indian Education Association: "The Condition of Native American Education" (2018)
  3. Economic Policy Institute: "The Economic Situation of American Indians and Alaska Natives" (2020)
    • This report highlights poverty and unemployment rates among Native Americans compared to the general population and discusses economic challenges.
    • Link: EPI Report
  4. Indian Health Service: "Trends in Indian Health" (2020 Edition)
  5. American Journal of Public Health: "Discrimination and Mental Health Among American Indian Adolescents" (2011)
    • This study discusses how discrimination affects mental health outcomes among Native American youth, contributing to broader social issues.
    • Link: AJPH Study
  6. Center for American Progress: "Indigenous Youth and Education" (2019)
These resources offer a comprehensive overview of the systemic factors affecting Native Americans and provide context for understanding the challenges they face in escaping poverty and discrimination.


Again, I know whole heartedly you won't even begin to entertain this notion of truth. It's truly a shame when you put something right in front of someone that is so obviously true, they still refuse to see it. While individual success stories are indeed inspiring, (I myself know a few and consider them close, personal friends) they exist within a broader context of structural challenges. Acknowledging these barriers is not about discrediting the achievements of successful Native Americans but rather highlighting the critical need for systemic change to support all Native individuals (and all people in general) in breaking the cycles of poverty and discrimination. Fostering educational opportunities, addressing healthcare disparities, and dismantling the stereotypes and bias that persist in society are vital steps toward creating a more equitable future.
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I agree Native Americans have been grossly discriminated against by our nation. IMO it is worse than the slavery indiscretions. We began rectifying the slavery issue after the Civil War but our nation has never really tried to rectify what we did to the Native Americans. But posting inoperable links makes you look pretty foolish and just a troll.
 
Steel Valley FB said:
Wow, I didn’t realize there were so many hindrances keeping American Indians from leaving reservations for a chance at a better life and future off the reservation. Have any American Indians been able to leave and be successful off the reservations or are they all still trapped there?
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I’ve known Seneca that were signed over to their tribal elders in lieu of prosecution. I could imagine a couple of people hiding on the Rez until the statute of limitations was up.
 
I thought early to mid 60s. I knew his name long ago maybe 15+ years ago and forgot it. Tom was his kid who played for Ignatius . Forget the last name.

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brian1227 said:
Biden will attend trump did not.biden has class.Top 15 president.trump.bottom 3.
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Only because Biden has nothing better to do. Would you rather sit through a boring inauguration in cold January DC...or be chilling at Mar a Lago.
 
underthelights said:
Oh, we’re back for more, I see! Your unwavering confidence is impressive—almost as impressive as Trump’s ability to embrace his “unique” shade of orange. I mean, with that complexion, who needs filters? You're declaring these legal issues “not serious” like you’ve got a law degree hanging on the wall next to a poster of Trump’s hair—what a combo!

Let’s break it down. The Civil Fraud Case? Sure, it’s just a lawsuit that could cost Trump billions. No big deal, right? Just a little paperwork, like filling out a grocery list of “Things I Definitely Should Worry About.” It’s amazing how you’re so chill about it—your logic is as solid as Trump’s claim that he would have won the 2020 election if it weren’t for “the rigged system.”

Then we have the Classified Documents Case. You say it’s dismissed? Maybe that’s your “bigly” misunderstanding of how real-world consequences work. Saying “it’s not serious” is as laughable as believing that holding onto classified documents is a casual hobby. “Look at my top-secret collection; it really ties the room together!”

As for the Election Interference Charges, you’re completely right! The Georgia case is on “life-support,” just like your grip on reality. You must be sourcing your facts from Trump’s Twitter account—“alternative facts” as you’d call them! The drama here is straight out of a soap opera: “As the Court Turns” starring none other than Mr. Orange himself!

And calling the January 6th insurrection “not even a thing”? That’s the cherry on top! It’s like claiming the Titanic went down because of a minor plumbing issue. “Just a little splash, folks!” Your talent for downplaying such significant events is truly remarkable. Maybe the next time Trump says he’s the “chosen one,” you can reassure him it’s just a light-hearted joke.

You have this incredible ability to dodge facts and present your opinions with the confidence of a toddler arguing about dessert. It’s really something! So keep the punchlines coming! It’s like watching a stand-up comedy special where the headliner is convinced they’re killing it, but we’re just here for the laughs and to witness the spectacular show of “alternative intelligence.” Good times, indeed!

Oh, look who’s dropping hot takes like they’re going out of style! “Bald-faced lies”? Really? That’s some serious drama right there! I didn’t realize we were living in a soap opera where Fauci is the villain, twirling his mustache and plotting to deceive the masses—“Mwahahaha! Today’s agenda involves scaring everyone about a virus, and then I’ll nap!” Your conspiratorial flair really deserves an Oscar!

And your support for “level-headed liberal elitists" backing away from COVID? Wow, you’ve cracked the code, Sherlock! It’s like you’ve figured out that staying on a sinking ship is a questionable life choice. Meanwhile, I’m here watching from the lifeboat, enjoying some popcorn while you’re at the helm, convinced you’re sailing smoothly into calm waters—bless your heart for that confidence!

Honestly, I admire your loyalty, but you’ve got to realize that charging into battle with the rallying cry of “Fauci is the enemy!” sounds a bit like a child screaming at the shadows in their closet. It’s adorable, but we all know who really needs the therapy in this scenario. You must be the captain of the “S.S. Everything’s Fine” while the rest of us are sending out SOS signals and drinking the seawater labeled “facts.”

So full steam ahead on that ship—just keep waving that flag like the proud, confused sailor you are while others steer toward reasoned discussion. I mean, it’s a bold strategy, Cotton! Just remember, sometimes the view from the lifeboat is a lot clearer than from the captain's chair of a sinking ship. Good luck with that voyage; I’ll be over here, enjoying the show!
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Could you be a little more pithy from now on? Comic relief doesn't work as well so long winded.

He didn't say Fauci was a villian, he said he was an incompetent fool.

The fraud case in which all the alleged injured parties said they were paid in full and on time...yeah quite the smoking gun. The case brought by a DA who campaigned not on seeking truth but merely getting Trump in a district with a deep blue jury pool and which will be DOA upon appeal....you got him this time.

Every president (and many who were not) have taken documents. The president has every right to them just like his predecessors. When are those cases being brought? Hell Hillary destroyed evidence under subpoena and she still walks free.

Georgia is a crap show with a DA who brought the case, again, specifically to fulfill a campaign promise to "get Trump" and in the process has done more damage to her own integrity than anything to Trump. Check yourself before you wreck yourself has never been more apripo.

You claim there was an insurrection and then accuse others of living in alternative reality. There was no insurrection, no one is attempting to overthrow the most powerful government in the world without firearms...least of all people on the right who believe the 2nd Amendment exists as protection against a tyrannical government.
 
Steel Valley FB said:
You make a good point about Indian reservations. It’s so sad that people who live on the reservations aren’t allowed to leave in search of jobs or education so they can create a better life for themselves and their families.
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As he ignores the Native American owned casinos...
 
WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
Oh come on, that is what you take from all of this. Do you need therapy to get you through this persecution? Do you believe I should take some sensitivity training?

I do believe the mass majority of MAGA are enablers. Even if you do disagree with something Trump, I don’t think many MAGA’s have the Colorado Ricky Mountain Oysters to call him out on it.
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He gets called out regularly. It's just not on stuff you want him called out on.

No one would dispute I'm one of his biggest backers here. I've also called him out here on his thoughts on red flag laws and also the stimulus during Covid. I don't know the man personally so don't know where else I should call him out. Should I ignore the vast majority of policy I agree with over a couple points?
 
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underthelights said:
Oh, I see what you did there! Nice little twist of sarcasm you’ve got going on! You had me for a second..."not allowed to leave"? What’s next, are we saying they’re all just waiting for a bus that never comes? Just picture everyone standing at the reservation bus stop, sipping coffee, and saying, “Hey, let’s just hang out here forever!” Truly a captivating image!

Leaving reservations presents challenges for many Native Americans due to a variety of factors, including historical, systemic, economic, and social issues. Here are some of the primary reasons:

  1. Economic Limitations: Many reservations experience high levels of poverty and unemployment. This lack of economic opportunity means that even if individuals want to leave in search of better jobs, they often lack the financial resources to do so. The cost of moving or relocating elsewhere can be prohibitive.
  2. Access to Education and Training: While some reservations may have educational institutions, they often lack the resources and programs available in urban areas. Limited access to quality education and vocational training can hinder the ability of individuals to acquire the skills needed to secure better job opportunities outside the reservation.
  3. Legal and Bureaucratic Barriers: Native American tribes are sovereign nations, which means there are legal protocols involved in leaving the land. In some cases, individuals may face bureaucratic hurdles to obtaining the necessary documentation or permissions to move, especially if they are part of programs offering aid or resources tied to their residence on the reservation.
  4. Cultural Ties: Many Native Americans have strong cultural and familial ties to their communities. Leaving a reservation can mean separating from family, traditions, and cultural identity, which can be a significant emotional hurdle. The importance of community can deter individuals from relocating, even if opportunities exist elsewhere.

But let’s be real for a moment. The struggles faced by people on reservations are no joke, even if your comments are served with a side of irony. Economic opportunities and access to education are massive hurdles that can feel impossible to overcome. So while your facetiousness is entertaining, it shouldn’t overshadow the real issues that many indigenous communities encounter.
But hey, I appreciate the humor! It’s always refreshing to see someone blend a little wit with serious topics. Still, let’s try to balance the sarcasm with real discussions on how we can actually improve the lives of those living on reservations. Maybe find ways to break down those barriers you so cleverly teased! Now that would be a point worth making!
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And what in any of that is systematic government oppression in 2024?
 
underthelights said:
This is actually something I have taught to graduate students. Here are some links to sources for you from a recent presentation. I'm sure you won't look at them, because why would you challenge yourself to think outside of your comfortable box, but here they are anyways.

Here are just a few resources that provide evidence and further information regarding the challenges faced by Native Americans, particularly in the context of discrimination, poverty, and education:

  1. U.S. Commission on Civil Rights: "Broken Promises: Assessing the Federal Government's Trust Responsibility to Tribal Nations" (2018)
    • This report discusses the historical context of discrimination against Native Americans and assesses the government’s obligations to tribal nations.
    • Link: Broken Promises Report
  2. National Indian Education Association: "The Condition of Native American Education" (2018)
  3. Economic Policy Institute: "The Economic Situation of American Indians and Alaska Natives" (2020)
    • This report highlights poverty and unemployment rates among Native Americans compared to the general population and discusses economic challenges.
    • Link: EPI Report
  4. Indian Health Service: "Trends in Indian Health" (2020 Edition)
  5. American Journal of Public Health: "Discrimination and Mental Health Among American Indian Adolescents" (2011)
    • This study discusses how discrimination affects mental health outcomes among Native American youth, contributing to broader social issues.
    • Link: AJPH Study
  6. Center for American Progress: "Indigenous Youth and Education" (2019)
These resources offer a comprehensive overview of the systemic factors affecting Native Americans and provide context for understanding the challenges they face in escaping poverty and discrimination.


Again, I know whole heartedly you won't even begin to entertain this notion of truth. It's truly a shame when you put something right in front of someone that is so obviously true, they still refuse to see it. While individual success stories are indeed inspiring, (I myself know a few and consider them close, personal friends) they exist within a broader context of structural challenges. Acknowledging these barriers is not about discrediting the achievements of successful Native Americans but rather highlighting the critical need for systemic change to support all Native individuals (and all people in general) in breaking the cycles of poverty and discrimination. Fostering educational opportunities, addressing healthcare disparities, and dismantling the stereotypes and bias that persist in society are vital steps toward creating a more equitable future.
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I thought getting rid of Chief Wahoo and the team name Indians would make their life better?
 
y2h said:
It has to be built first. Did you pay for your car before it was built?

Yes Trump isn't the one who weaponized the Justice system to go after political opponents...thanks for pointing that out.
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How would you know … so far up Trump’s rear end to see anything
 
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