What about the peaceful transition?

Guillotine said:
So, you're cheering for our President to fail before the man is even sworn in?

What is wrong with you?
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joesports said:
I am just waiting for how you blame others for the clown show that is to come … because we all know it is never King Donny’s fault.
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What are you trying to say is his fault. Could it be the number of illegals that have crossed our border since Biden took office ? Could it be the high inflation that Biden allowed to happen and helped to become a reality? Oh I know the botch exit of Afghanistan there is one that was all Trump's fault right down to getting those young soldiers killed or killing innocent people in retaliation. I do not remember anything like that happening during Trump first time in office. I mean the most democrats could come up with is how bad he handled covid and then Biden did nothing different after being put into office. Biden now there was and is a clown show to behold or should I say regret.
 
Steel Valley FB said:
Everyone is equal. What creates disparity are the life choices people make and the work ethic they possess. Equal opportunity doesn’t necessarily mean equal outcome. If someone doesn’t have as much wealth as me and I don’t have as much wealth as another guy, it’s almost always a result of the relative life choices made, and the work ethic had, by each of us. It’s almost never society’s fault.
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Such a simple concept, incomprehensible for the liberal binary thinkers.
 
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underthelights said:
Oh, I see what you did there! Nice little twist of sarcasm you’ve got going on! You had me for a second..."not allowed to leave"? What’s next, are we saying they’re all just waiting for a bus that never comes? Just picture everyone standing at the reservation bus stop, sipping coffee, and saying, “Hey, let’s just hang out here forever!” Truly a captivating image!

Leaving reservations presents challenges for many Native Americans due to a variety of factors, including historical, systemic, economic, and social issues. Here are some of the primary reasons:

  1. Economic Limitations: Many reservations experience high levels of poverty and unemployment. This lack of economic opportunity means that even if individuals want to leave in search of better jobs, they often lack the financial resources to do so. The cost of moving or relocating elsewhere can be prohibitive.
  2. Access to Education and Training: While some reservations may have educational institutions, they often lack the resources and programs available in urban areas. Limited access to quality education and vocational training can hinder the ability of individuals to acquire the skills needed to secure better job opportunities outside the reservation.
  3. Legal and Bureaucratic Barriers: Native American tribes are sovereign nations, which means there are legal protocols involved in leaving the land. In some cases, individuals may face bureaucratic hurdles to obtaining the necessary documentation or permissions to move, especially if they are part of programs offering aid or resources tied to their residence on the reservation.
  4. Cultural Ties: Many Native Americans have strong cultural and familial ties to their communities. Leaving a reservation can mean separating from family, traditions, and cultural identity, which can be a significant emotional hurdle. The importance of community can deter individuals from relocating, even if opportunities exist elsewhere.

But let’s be real for a moment. The struggles faced by people on reservations are no joke, even if your comments are served with a side of irony. Economic opportunities and access to education are massive hurdles that can feel impossible to overcome. So while your facetiousness is entertaining, it shouldn’t overshadow the real issues that many indigenous communities encounter.
But hey, I appreciate the humor! It’s always refreshing to see someone blend a little wit with serious topics. Still, let’s try to balance the sarcasm with real discussions on how we can actually improve the lives of those living on reservations. Maybe find ways to break down those barriers you so cleverly teased! Now that would be a point worth making!
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Wow, I didn’t realize there were so many hindrances keeping American Indians from leaving reservations for a chance at a better life and future off the reservation. Have any American Indians been able to leave and be successful off the reservations or are they all still trapped there?
 
Guillotine said:
When I accuse you of being an arrogant snot, you're not obligated to prove it.

lmao
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I just figured since you continued to prove yourself ignorant that I was obligated to show what I am... arrogant. Based on your posts, I realize that replying with facts and real world examples is hard for you, so I could see how you would read that as arrogance.
 
Steel Valley FB said:
Wow, I didn’t realize there were so many hindrances keeping American Indians from leaving reservations for a chance at a better life and future off the reservation. Have any American Indians been able to leave and be successful off the reservations or are they all still trapped there?
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Refreshing to see you admit your ignorance on a subject. Of course people have left the reservation system, but also, there are other things that "trap" people outside of physical traps. Although it's obvious you aren't able to comprehend that as you obviously lack perspective. It must be an amazing feeling to know you're such a striking example of a self made man who pulled himself up by his bootstraps with 0 help from anyone or any social structures to help you. Or maybe you assume those same structures exist everywhere... hard to tell which way you ignorance leans as you seem to struggle with the written word or the ability to respond with anything of substance.
 
underthelights said:
Refreshing to see you admit your ignorance on a subject. Of course people have left the reservation system, but also, there are other things that "trap" people outside of physical traps. Although it's obvious you aren't able to comprehend that as you obviously lack perspective. It must be an amazing feeling to know you're such a striking example of a self made man who pulled himself up by his bootstraps with 0 help from anyone or any social structures to help you. Or maybe you assume those same structures exist everywhere... hard to tell which way you ignorance leans as you seem to struggle with the written word or the ability to respond with anything of substance.
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Don’t be facetious. Just tell me that actually over 80% of Native Americans don’t live on reservations. What’s next, are you going to tell me that black Americans are trapped in the ghetto and can’t better themselves because of our oppressive society?
 
Steel Valley FB said:
Don’t be facetious. Just tell me that actually over 80% of Native Americans don’t live on reservations. What’s next, are you going to tell me that black Americans are trapped in the ghetto and can’t better themselves because of our oppressive society?
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Just as you don't live in Europe... I was talking about the reservation system in the United States. And you're also assuming that discrimination against native people off of the reservation is something that doesn't happen in the United States. When I lived and worked out west, I witnessed it first hand. It was much more egregious than I was prepared for being someone who was raised in a rural area in Ohio. I use the term rural loosely because what we consider rural here in Ohio might as well be urban in that part of the world with how isolated those communities were/are.
 
Anyways, it's been fun talking with you Trumpy fellows the last day or so. You obviously have it all figured out and I am obviously no where near your level of intelligence. This fact has been exemplified by the fact that I type too much. How frustrating it must be to know that someone so dumb will likely make more money in retirement this year than you will working so hard as you do in the next 3-5 years, being as I'm obviously a lefty pinko whose knowledge only perils in comparison to your worldly viewpoints. Obviously, it's because we were born equal and you just weren't able to pull those boot straps up quite as well. I truly have enjoyed the entertainment. :ROFLMAO: Obviously.
 
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underthelights said:
Just as you don't live in Europe... I was talking about the reservation system in the United States. And you're also assuming that discrimination against native people off of the reservation is something that doesn't happen in the United States. When I lived and worked out west, I witnessed it first hand. It was much more egregious than I was prepared for being someone who was raised in a rural area in Ohio. I use the term rural loosely because what we consider rural here in Ohio might as well be urban in that part of the world with how isolated those communities were/are.
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So you’re offering me some anecdotal evidence based on your experiences alone?

What about some anecdotal evidence that I have of Native Americans not being discriminated against? Better yet, what about real and actual evidence that shows there are successful Native Americans living and thriving in this country as doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, etc? How did they get off the reservations and become successful? Was it society that caused their success or is society only the cause when American Indians have suffered or are suffering?
 
Steel Valley FB said:
So you’re offering me some anecdotal evidence based on your experiences alone?

What about some anecdotal evidence that I have of Native Americans not being discriminated against? Better yet, what about real and actual evidence that shows there are successful Native Americans living and thriving in this country as doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, etc? How did they get off the reservations and become successful? Was it society that caused their success or is society only the cause when American Indians have suffered or are suffering?
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This is actually something I have taught to graduate students. Here are some links to sources for you from a recent presentation. I'm sure you won't look at them, because why would you challenge yourself to think outside of your comfortable box, but here they are anyways.

Here are just a few resources that provide evidence and further information regarding the challenges faced by Native Americans, particularly in the context of discrimination, poverty, and education:

  1. U.S. Commission on Civil Rights: "Broken Promises: Assessing the Federal Government's Trust Responsibility to Tribal Nations" (2018)
    • This report discusses the historical context of discrimination against Native Americans and assesses the government’s obligations to tribal nations.
    • Link: Broken Promises Report
  2. National Indian Education Association: "The Condition of Native American Education" (2018)
  3. Economic Policy Institute: "The Economic Situation of American Indians and Alaska Natives" (2020)
    • This report highlights poverty and unemployment rates among Native Americans compared to the general population and discusses economic challenges.
    • Link: EPI Report
  4. Indian Health Service: "Trends in Indian Health" (2020 Edition)
  5. American Journal of Public Health: "Discrimination and Mental Health Among American Indian Adolescents" (2011)
    • This study discusses how discrimination affects mental health outcomes among Native American youth, contributing to broader social issues.
    • Link: AJPH Study
  6. Center for American Progress: "Indigenous Youth and Education" (2019)
These resources offer a comprehensive overview of the systemic factors affecting Native Americans and provide context for understanding the challenges they face in escaping poverty and discrimination.


Again, I know whole heartedly you won't even begin to entertain this notion of truth. It's truly a shame when you put something right in front of someone that is so obviously true, they still refuse to see it. While individual success stories are indeed inspiring, (I myself know a few and consider them close, personal friends) they exist within a broader context of structural challenges. Acknowledging these barriers is not about discrediting the achievements of successful Native Americans but rather highlighting the critical need for systemic change to support all Native individuals (and all people in general) in breaking the cycles of poverty and discrimination. Fostering educational opportunities, addressing healthcare disparities, and dismantling the stereotypes and bias that persist in society are vital steps toward creating a more equitable future.
 
So as far as anecdotal, I guess you can call the fact that I lived on various reservations and experienced it first hand just that. I was inspired by research I did early in my life to put myself in a position to make a difference. Rather than just talk about it, I went and lived it. I am thankful for those experiences because not only was I able to help people dig themselves out of the crippling circumstances, but it looked amazing on my resume and led to me having a very successful career once my work there concluded. I guess I would rather take information on how to fix my car from a mechanic that worked on cars or information on how to increase my heart health from a cardiologist. But you keep on preaching from your arm chair.
 
underthelights said:
This is actually something I have taught to graduate students. Here are some links to sources for you from a recent presentation. I'm sure you won't look at them, because why would you challenge yourself to think outside of your comfortable box, but here they are anyways.

Here are just a few resources that provide evidence and further information regarding the challenges faced by Native Americans, particularly in the context of discrimination, poverty, and education:

  1. U.S. Commission on Civil Rights: "Broken Promises: Assessing the Federal Government's Trust Responsibility to Tribal Nations" (2018)
    • This report discusses the historical context of discrimination against Native Americans and assesses the government’s obligations to tribal nations.
    • Link: Broken Promises Report
  2. National Indian Education Association: "The Condition of Native American Education" (2018)
  3. Economic Policy Institute: "The Economic Situation of American Indians and Alaska Natives" (2020)
    • This report highlights poverty and unemployment rates among Native Americans compared to the general population and discusses economic challenges.
    • Link: EPI Report
  4. Indian Health Service: "Trends in Indian Health" (2020 Edition)
  5. American Journal of Public Health: "Discrimination and Mental Health Among American Indian Adolescents" (2011)
    • This study discusses how discrimination affects mental health outcomes among Native American youth, contributing to broader social issues.
    • Link: AJPH Study
  6. Center for American Progress: "Indigenous Youth and Education" (2019)
These resources offer a comprehensive overview of the systemic factors affecting Native Americans and provide context for understanding the challenges they face in escaping poverty and discrimination.


Again, I know whole heartedly you won't even begin to entertain this notion of truth. It's truly a shame when you put something right in front of someone that is so obviously true, they still refuse to see it. While individual success stories are indeed inspiring, (I myself know a few and consider them close, personal friends) they exist within a broader context of structural challenges. Acknowledging these barriers is not about discrediting the achievements of successful Native Americans but rather highlighting the critical need for systemic change to support all Native individuals (and all people in general) in breaking the cycles of poverty and discrimination. Fostering educational opportunities, addressing healthcare disparities, and dismantling the stereotypes and bias that persist in society are vital steps toward creating a more equitable future.
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Are you trolling me lol? The first four links you posted didn’t work. Nice job there. You really are super smart. 🤣
 
underthelights said:
This is actually something I have taught to graduate students. Here are some links to sources for you from a recent presentation. I'm sure you won't look at them, because why would you challenge yourself to think outside of your comfortable box, but here they are anyways.

Here are just a few resources that provide evidence and further information regarding the challenges faced by Native Americans, particularly in the context of discrimination, poverty, and education:

  1. U.S. Commission on Civil Rights: "Broken Promises: Assessing the Federal Government's Trust Responsibility to Tribal Nations" (2018)
    • This report discusses the historical context of discrimination against Native Americans and assesses the government’s obligations to tribal nations.
    • Link: Broken Promises Report
  2. National Indian Education Association: "The Condition of Native American Education" (2018)
  3. Economic Policy Institute: "The Economic Situation of American Indians and Alaska Natives" (2020)
    • This report highlights poverty and unemployment rates among Native Americans compared to the general population and discusses economic challenges.
    • Link: EPI Report
  4. Indian Health Service: "Trends in Indian Health" (2020 Edition)
  5. American Journal of Public Health: "Discrimination and Mental Health Among American Indian Adolescents" (2011)
    • This study discusses how discrimination affects mental health outcomes among Native American youth, contributing to broader social issues.
    • Link: AJPH Study
  6. Center for American Progress: "Indigenous Youth and Education" (2019)
These resources offer a comprehensive overview of the systemic factors affecting Native Americans and provide context for understanding the challenges they face in escaping poverty and discrimination.


Again, I know whole heartedly you won't even begin to entertain this notion of truth. It's truly a shame when you put something right in front of someone that is so obviously true, they still refuse to see it. While individual success stories are indeed inspiring, (I myself know a few and consider them close, personal friends) they exist within a broader context of structural challenges. Acknowledging these barriers is not about discrediting the achievements of successful Native Americans but rather highlighting the critical need for systemic change to support all Native individuals (and all people in general) in breaking the cycles of poverty and discrimination. Fostering educational opportunities, addressing healthcare disparities, and dismantling the stereotypes and bias that persist in society are vital steps toward creating a more equitable future.
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I know much about these things.
Yes we know that adding government and government handouts will always make things worse in the long run, call Vivek and Elon, they can help dismantle these destructive agencies that prey on the Indians.

You want a good party and real forever friends, give them beads and liquor.
 
underthelights said:
Anyways, it's been fun talking with you Trumpy fellows the last day or so. You obviously have it all figured out and I am obviously no where near your level of intelligence. This fact has been exemplified by the fact that I type too much. How frustrating it must be to know that someone so dumb will likely make more money in retirement this year than you will working so hard as you do in the next 3-5 years, being as I'm obviously a lefty pinko whose knowledge only perils in comparison to your worldly viewpoints. Obviously, it's because we were born equal and you just weren't able to pull those boot straps up quite as well. I truly have enjoyed the entertainment. :ROFLMAO: Obviously.
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You're not going anywhere, Charles Emerson Winchester III.

As long as we pull your strings, you will reply.

lmao
 
underthelights said:
So as far as anecdotal, I guess you can call the fact that I lived on various reservations and experienced it first hand just that. I was inspired by research I did early in my life to put myself in a position to make a difference. Rather than just talk about it, I went and lived it. I am thankful for those experiences because not only was I able to help people dig themselves out of the crippling circumstances, but it looked amazing on my resume and led to me having a very successful career once my work there concluded. I guess I would rather take information on how to fix my car from a mechanic that worked on cars or information on how to increase my heart health from a cardiologist. But you keep on preaching from your arm chair.
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Good lord, men!

We've got us a real-life Forrest Gump here!

lmao
 
Steel Valley FB said:
Are you trolling me lol? The first four links you posted didn’t work. Nice job there. You really are super smart. 🤣
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Broken Promises Report | U.S. Department of the Interior

Broken Promises Report
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Steel Valley FB said:
Are you trolling me lol? The first four links you posted didn’t work. Nice job there. You really are super smart. 🤣
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We’ve trolling each other all day lol. I’m headed out, but if I think of it, I’ll fix the links in the morning.
 
underthelights said:
I just figured since you continued to prove yourself ignorant that I was obligated to show what I am... arrogant. Based on your posts, I realize that replying with facts and real world examples is hard for you, so I could see how you would read that as arrogance.
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Only in your mind, Charles.

It's painfully obvious you people don't have a clue why you just got your teeth kicked in!
 
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