SVSM Irish 2023-24

What he has there as in? Not second guessing you, genuinely curious.

Point being if SVSM is serious, pay the big bucks and go get an elite, young HC.
What he has there as in? The program level he has established there now.
As far as $$$, svsm would have to give him more than 100 k for a 10 yr guarantee, otherwise his STRS pension would far exceed that by staying there 10 more years
 
Yep, Shaq's the hometown hero. I suspect it would be tough to pull him away from Maple.

The last outsider that seemed to have a positive experience there was Ryan Wiggins. I thought he was doing a nice job and starting to bring the program around but then he got a chance to return to his alma mater which, to SVSM's good fortune, resulted in Dan Boarman returning.
 
Yep, Shaq's the hometown hero. I suspect it would be tough to pull him away from Maple.

The last outsider that seemed to have a positive experience there was Ryan Wiggins. I thought he was doing a nice job and starting to bring the program around but then he got a chance to return to his alma mater which, to SVSM's good fortune, resulted in Dan Boarman returning.

Swing big, Irish.

He's a competitor at all levels of his life. SVSM checks a lot of boxes I'd imagine he will never have at Maple Heights.
 
So much conjecture
Dan BOARMAN outstanding coach legend retired amazing man.
Marcus Wattley remains a good friend. Outstanding recruiter and incredible DC.
Bobby Nichols is a good man and was so instrumental in acquiring equipment and weight Room upgrades. However the was a One man show trying to hustle talent. Coach Terry Cistone a good man with a heart of gold. Terry is very smart. If well with the talent he inherited. Kyle is a young AD with a keen eye for talent and will be unduly influenced by alumni Parents or the board. This one is Kyle’s choice to make.
 
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Larlham has to be in the mix. Great guy with a great pedigree. I don’t care about anything at CVCA other than he turned that program around.
From what I know, that is a tough school to coach for. Maybe there are safer picks, but he would be my choice.
 
I came across this infomation and copied it:

It’s hard to believe that from 1924-1996 (72 years), St. Vincent/St. Vincent-St. Mary had only TWO head football coaches: Eddie Wentz (41 years) and John Cistone (31 years). Since 1997, St. V-M has had EIGHT coaches.

I realize that times change, but the situation at St. V-M has been very inconsistent in recent years. Obviously, there are reasons and those reasons need to be identified and addressed.

Some of the eight coaches since 1997 have been pretty good football men, yet things have been shaky since the Irish won back-to-back state championships in 2012 and 2013. As Woody Hayes once said, "You win with people". The Irish have to get athletes like some of the ones they used to put on the field.

Coaching is important, but you have to have PLAYERS!
 
So much conjecture
Dan BOARMAN outstanding coach legend retired amazing man.
Marcus Wattley remains a good friend. Outstanding recruiter and incredible DC.
Bobby Nichols is a good man and was so instrumental in acquiring equipment and weight Room upgrades. However the was a One man show trying to hustle talent. Coach Terry Cistone a good man with a heart of gold. Terry is very smart. If well with the talent he inherited. Kyle is a young AD with a keen eye for talent and will be unduly influenced by alumni Parents or the board. This one is Kyle’s choice to make.
Stars, your loyalty to the program is to be commended. However, the blowhard chairman of the board cannot help himself and he meddles in every decision. Sasala will not be making this selection. That is not how it works at SVSM. They threw Sasala under the bus basically on his first day by making him "unreachable for comment" regarding the Hoban rivalry ending. Kyle had nothing to do with that decision and everyone close to the program knows that was a demand from Cistone. Terry is a great man but the damage has been done in his two-year tenure. The cupboard will be bare, we were embarrassed by Walsh, we made the huge mistake of ending the Hoban rivalry and have completely lost the PR battle on that decision, and any talent left at SVSM is already calling other schools to see what rosters they can transfer to next year.

Accepting applications until November 26 is another huge mistake. Should have just said, "applications will be accepted until the position is filled." The search committee should be clearing their schedules immediately to start interviews and recruiting a candidate who can save this sinking ship.
 
Stars, your loyalty to the program is to be commended. However, the blowhard chairman of the board cannot help himself and he meddles in every decision. Sasala will not be making this selection. That is not how it works at SVSM. They threw Sasala under the bus basically on his first day by making him "unreachable for comment" regarding the Hoban rivalry ending. Kyle had nothing to do with that decision and everyone close to the program knows that was a demand from Cistone. Terry is a great man but the damage has been done in his two-year tenure. The cupboard will be bare, we were embarrassed by Walsh, we made the huge mistake of ending the Hoban rivalry and have completely lost the PR battle on that decision, and any talent left at SVSM is already calling other schools to see what rosters they can transfer to next year.

Accepting applications until November 26 is another huge mistake. Should have just said, "applications will be accepted until the position is filled." The search committee should be clearing their schedules immediately to start interviews and recruiting a candidate who can save this sinking ship.
Not 100 pct agreement of assessment of the powers at Stvm. I do Agree the position should stay open until the right candidate accepts the job. Stvm will need to open up their wallet,
 
Larlham has to be in the mix. Great guy with a great pedigree. I don’t care about anything at CVCA other than he turned that program around.
From what I know, that is a tough school to coach for. Maybe there are safer picks, but he would be my choice.
One of the main weaknesses now is strength and conditioning, that needs to start now not when someone may eventually be hired by waiting for "the perfect guy"? It ant't rocket science guys?
 
One of the main weaknesses now is strength and conditioning, that needs to start now not when someone may eventually be hired by waiting for "the perfect guy"? It ant't rocket science guys?
This was the beginning of Hoban's rise and I have shouted this and been laughed at by most public schools. It's always recruiting, not how the kids are developed. Everyone at St V and most schools who have played Hoban over the past 8 years have complained about Hoban's strength coach being over the top. But I am telling you he is the biggest reason for the success of the football program and all of the other programs excelling at Hoban. Start there, strength facilities and strength coach. Then find a coach that gives him full reign of developing those kids.
 
Well the one thing that was going fantastic with Marcus was his brother Robert Wattley who was an excellent strength and conditioning/running back coach and Brian Williams who was the speed conditioning those two were the best together whoever the head coach is needs to hire his strength coach first and make sure that these guys get bigger stronger and faster by may/June.
 
There are a number of qualities you want in a successful head coach, but at the end of the day a winning program comes down primarily to the Jimmies and the Joes. As such, you need a guy who can draw the top athletes to the school. Without talent, a very good coach can look pretty average.

Given how their most recent hires have gone, they may want to break from the procedures they've followed. If those don't give you cause for concern look at how things worked out with the baseball hire that had to step down in mid-season. I believe that was a Sasala hire.
 
Terry Cistone was a placeholder. He said at the time he’d give them two years. Knowing that, wouldn’t one think they’ve been surveying the field (pun intended) of possible replacements for him? I would hope so. Maybe they’ve got their eyes on a coach/assistant who is still playing. I don’t know, time will tell.
 
I don't have any connections to SVSM but if I had a chance to hire Dan Larlham I would not pass it up. Dan coached my son at CVCA and all you really need to look at were the years after Tre Tucker and the Decatur twins graduated. It's pretty easy to be successful when you can get the ball I to the hands of a now NFL wide receiver or hand it to a kid who was wrestling at Ohio State University before some unfortunate injuries. Winning with those guys was probably pretty easy in a conference like the PAC. It was the years after those athletes graduated that should show you what kind of coach he really is. CVCA actually got better when the Division 1 talent graduated. The 2019 and 2020 teams were actually better overall teams and had a bunch of kids that nobody really knew their names. Those teams were probably the grittiest teams in the program history and they are a direct reflection of Dan Larlham. If you saw Dan play in highschool or college you know exactly what I mean. If he gets the job SVSM style of play may not win many beauty contests but they will also be a reflection of him and play with the same nasty gritty style he played with and developed at CVCA. Again I don't have any connections to SVSM but I know exactly what I would do if I was in their position.
 
I don't have any connections to SVSM but if I had a chance to hire Dan Larlham I would not pass it up. Dan coached my son at CVCA and all you really need to look at were the years after Tre Tucker and the Decatur twins graduated. It's pretty easy to be successful when you can get the ball I to the hands of a now NFL wide receiver or hand it to a kid who was wrestling at Ohio State University before some unfortunate injuries. Winning with those guys was probably pretty easy in a conference like the PAC. It was the years after those athletes graduated that should show you what kind of coach he really is. CVCA actually got better when the Division 1 talent graduated. The 2019 and 2020 teams were actually better overall teams and had a bunch of kids that nobody really knew their names. Those teams were probably the grittiest teams in the program history and they are a direct reflection of Dan Larlham. If you saw Dan play in highschool or college you know exactly what I mean. If he gets the job SVSM style of play may not win many beauty contests but they will also be a reflection of him and play with the same nasty gritty style he played with and developed at CVCA. Again I don't have any connections to SVSM but I know exactly what I would do if I was in their position.
I agree...I believe you should give someone a 2nd chance...He has shown that he has learned from his mistake...He has experience of playing at an elite level (college and high school), he has won as a head coach, and has been at ST V. If powers at be know he is good with the kids and isnt the problem of switching QBs every week, I dont know if they will find someone with a better resume.
 
I don't have any connections to SVSM but if I had a chance to hire Dan Larlham I would not pass it up. Dan coached my son at CVCA and all you really need to look at were the years after Tre Tucker and the Decatur twins graduated. It's pretty easy to be successful when you can get the ball I to the hands of a now NFL wide receiver or hand it to a kid who was wrestling at Ohio State University before some unfortunate injuries. Winning with those guys was probably pretty easy in a conference like the PAC. It was the years after those athletes graduated that should show you what kind of coach he really is. CVCA actually got better when the Division 1 talent graduated. The 2019 and 2020 teams were actually better overall teams and had a bunch of kids that nobody really knew their names. Those teams were probably the grittiest teams in the program history and they are a direct reflection of Dan Larlham. If you saw Dan play in highschool or college you know exactly what I mean. If he gets the job SVSM style of play may not win many beauty contests but they will also be a reflection of him and play with the same nasty gritty style he played with and developed at CVCA. Again I don't have any connections to SVSM but I know exactly what I would do if I was in their position.
Idk I would much rather have someone with a proven track record of building programs I want a Dan boarman Nate Moore Tim tyrell Nick heart type head coaches that have like a 119-40 W-L record (example). When we hire Dan Boarman his record coming into stvm was at least 80-100 wins at Copley
 
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For rebuild, following the Walsh model is the answer and not Hoban's. With all of success the Knights have had, I am not aware of any of their staff moving up into other jobs elsewhere. This is a sign. Other programs don't want that image or the strategy.
Yeah other schools would hate to have one of the top 5 programs in the state & have their enrollment going through the roof (especially other private schools)

Football success tends to draw kids into the school for other sports (boys and girls) & benefits programs like basketball, soccer, volleyball, baseball, track.
 
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I agree...I believe you should give someone a 2nd chance...He has shown that he has learned from his mistake...He has experience of playing at an elite level (college and high school), he has won as a head coach, and has been at ST V. If powers at be know he is good with the kids and isnt the problem of switching QBs every week, I dont know if they will find someone with a better resume.

Why did Walsh pass on him when they were looking for their new coach? He had been an assistant there.

I know nothing about him personally, only what I see here and was told he is a respected member of the STVM faculty.
 
Idk I would much rather have someone with a proven track record of building programs I want a Dan boarman Nate Moore Tim tyrell Nick heart type head coaches that have like a 119-40 W-L record (example). When we hire Dan his record coming into stvm was at least 80-100 wins at Copley
Of course your scenario would be ideal. What maybe isn't is that when Dan took over at CVCA the program was on life support. That the program has maintained his last few seasons of success is still indicative of his fingerprints being on the program. If you looking for someone who literally built something from ashes he is the guy. I don't want to hijack the thread. That's just my 5 cents.
 
Of course your scenario would be ideal. What maybe isn't is that when Dan took over at CVCA the program was on life support. That the program has maintained his last few seasons of success is still indicative of his fingerprints being on the program. If you looking for someone who literally built something from ashes he is the guy. I don't want to hijack the thread. That's just my 5 cents.
I mean Dan Boarman lol
 
As much as I want a head coach who yes is morally good for them like Dan Larlham. We need an attitude change I feel as though that's what turned around programs the last couple of years like Massillon Hoban and Walsh. When I was a part of the 2018 stvm team when it was Bobby Nickol's debut game Massillon had a lot more aggressive mentality from the previous year that gave them the edge they swept the entire program freshman, JV, varsity and they were able to take away our talented players like Terrance Keyes Jr., jumacius portis, and Kyree young. this was truly the west side of Akron that we lost to program's to places like Massillon, Hoban because of the attitude and winning success
 
All I'm saying is that we need a coach who can maximize the talent we kind of have and bring in more talent to improve the program and also need patience Nate Moore went (4-6) his first year and has been successful ever since he has Three,THREE undefeated seasons out of the last four to five seasons and has been state runner up from 2018-2020. Tim Tyrell went 5-5 in his first year and has been great ever since 2015 and bout to be 10 years worth of dominance from this Hoban program with five state championships.
 
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