SVSM Irish 2024 and 2025

Football Fan 1 said:
With all of your insight knowledge….experience….opinions I’m really surprised your not coaching at the high school or college level.

Coach Grant played for some of the best coaches to ever coach at all levels. He…better than anyone else….knows that to win you have to have the best players on the field.

Keep trying to stir the pot though.
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Just because you’ve played for good coaches doesn’t means that you are a good coach. With that said, this was his first year and had quite a bit of turnover and learning so I would give him some leeway. He has to prove he’s a good coach and here is the perfect opportunity. However your reasoning for being a good coach is erroneous.
 
Football Fan 1 said:
With all of your insight knowledge….experience….opinions I’m really surprised your not coaching at the high school or college level.

Coach Grant played for some of the best coaches to ever coach at all levels. He…better than anyone else….knows that to win you have to have the best players on the field.

Keep trying to stir the pot though.
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The pot is on a slow simmer on the way to a boil!
 
Football52. said:
Well when Wattley left the program he left it in a great position what happened then to now smash mouth 34? How did we go from State final four to 1-9 in a 7 year span explain that to me? Who should we blame? Should we blame the people who refused to give money to Wattley when in his second stint he beats Massillon and takes you to the final four? Or should we blame the players who settled in below mediocrity under Nickol and Cistone supervision? That’s where the culture is at as we speak on green street.
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Blame all parties that went 1-9 this year, pretty simple.
 
Stizostedion said:
He'll be back at Manchester in another year or two. The only reason he is not there now is his dad could not get assurances that he would be the starter there this year.
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Ironic that they started a senior WR with absolutely no HS experience at QB in their last game and he played the entire game. I wonder how that is sitting with some people?
 
7Diamond said:
Are you saying that Manchester started a senior WR in the last game?
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No STV started a SR WR in as QB.

Regardless, maybe all of this is a good thing. They have lost 3-4 Jrs who have already transferred/left/quit with more looking for a way out, so next year's senior class is depleted. Grant can start from scratch and build a program from the bottom up and do it with his kids. It will take 3-4 years though and I don't think the Irish faithful can handle that, but they are going to have to. If they give him time and he is unable to win, then its on him, his staff and the administration.
 
William Blake said:
No STV started a SR WR in as QB.

Regardless, maybe all of this is a good thing. They have lost 3-4 Jrs who have already transferred/left/quit with more looking for a way out, so next year's senior class is depleted. Grant can start from scratch and build a program from the bottom up and do it with his kids. It will take 3-4 years though and I don't think the Irish faithful can handle that, but they are going to have to. If they give him time and he is unable to win, then its on him, his staff and the administration.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me.

The current Manchester QB is a senior, he would have been the starter no matter who showed up there, he's played good this year.

The freshman QB at STV from Manchester will have an interesting choice for next year - Manchester has a boatload of returning guys for next year and will be better than this year. They will be a state contender in Div V next year. Do you go back to your home school, play on a title contender with the kids you grew up with, or do you hang around STV hoping it all comes together?
 
William Blake said:
No STV started a SR WR in as QB.

Regardless, maybe all of this is a good thing. They have lost 3-4 Jrs who have already transferred/left/quit with more looking for a way out, so next year's senior class is depleted. Grant can start from scratch and build a program from the bottom up and do it with his kids. It will take 3-4 years though and I don't think the Irish faithful can handle that, but they are going to have to. If they give him time and he is unable to win, then its on him, his staff and the administration.
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Hopefully coach Grant get Irish turned around and have a good season next year for people on green st
 
Very simply, Grant's success will be determined by whether he's able to get quality players to come to Green Street. Talent can make average coaching look very smart. This year's squad got beat by teams that were bigger, faster, stronger and more athletic. They averaged under 10 points a game while surrendering over 34 points a game. That's a huge disparity.
 
clarkgriswold said:
Very simply, Grant's success will be determined by whether he's able to get quality players to come to Green Street. Talent can make average coaching look very smart. This year's squad got beat by teams that were bigger, faster, stronger and more athletic. They averaged under 10 points a game while surrendering over 34 points a game. That's a huge disparity.
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Careful Clark, the truth hurts??
 
clarkgriswold said:
Very simply, Grant's success will be determined by whether he's able to get quality players to come to Green Street. Talent can make average coaching look very smart. This year's squad got beat by teams that were bigger, faster, stronger and more athletic. They averaged under 10 points a game while surrendering over 34 points a game. That's a huge disparity.
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Yea maybe one or two might come up the road
 
7Diamond said:
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

The current Manchester QB is a senior, he would have been the starter no matter who showed up there, he's played good this year.

The freshman QB at STV from Manchester will have an interesting choice for next year - Manchester has a boatload of returning guys for next year and will be better than this year. They will be a state contender in Div V next year. Do you go back to your home school, play on a title contender with the kids you grew up with, or do you hang around STV hoping it all comes together?
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That is going to come down to how his dad feels. From what I heard the kid wanted to stay at Manchester but his dad was mad that he would not be guaranteed to start. Ordinarily I would tell him to stay at SVSM because the opportunities are usually better but they have big problems. Manchester has a lot of talent coming back for the next three years. You play on a powerhouse school the scouts will find you. I would tell dad to quit being hurt and get his kid back out to New Franklin. I would even do it so that he can be there for the second semester of this year.
 
Stizostedion said:
That is going to come down to how his dad feels. From what I heard the kid wanted to stay at Manchester but his dad was mad that he would not be guaranteed to start. Ordinarily I would tell him to stay at SVSM because the opportunities are usually better but they have big problems. Manchester has a lot of talent coming back for the next three years. You play on a powerhouse school the scouts will find you. I would tell dad to quit being hurt and get his kid back out to New Franklin. I would even do it so that he can be there for the second semester of this year.
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Sad that some dads have to ruin their son's sports lives!
Similiar to the kid from Nordonia that went to Walsh back to Nordonia and then an apartment in Brunswick, went South from there terrible ending!
 
Stizostedion said:
That is going to come down to how his dad feels. From what I heard the kid wanted to stay at Manchester but his dad was mad that he would not be guaranteed to start. Ordinarily I would tell him to stay at SVSM because the opportunities are usually better but they have big problems. Manchester has a lot of talent coming back for the next three years. You play on a powerhouse school the scouts will find you. I would tell dad to quit being hurt and get his kid back out to New Franklin. I would even do it so that he can be there for the second semester of this year.
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I've got to agree with you on this one. I guess I'm an old codger that only wants to be guaranteed an opportunity, give me the chance to show I should be the starter. IMO, that QB opportunity is wide open next year at Manchester. When I think back on the dad's high school days, he toiled at STV for 3 years, started but didn't really accomplish much, and then in his senior year was the QB on Manchester's state runner-up team. That led to Mt. Union, which turned out pretty good. The Manchester head coach is a former high school QB and the HC's dad is Ashland University's OC/QB coach. Think about what the young kid could learn there!
 
The Irish aren’t a QB institution having historically relied offensively on the ground game. Matter of fact developing QBs isn’t in the school’s DNA particularly recently. Since 2021 (past 4 seasons) they’ve had 10 different QBs behind center (Lentz, Richardson, Carter, Mansel, Hurley, Taylor, Felding, Adamson, Dahs, Young) - 8 in the past 2 years, and there hasn’t been a year since 21 that there hasn’t been a QB controversy. No consistency at the most important offensive position on the field. Usually they have the other skill guys but they do need some big guys up front on both O and D. They have to rebuild from the ground up. Let’s see what happens in 3 years but I don’t think Irish faithful will enjoy those multiple 2 hour trips to Columbus to get a beat down
 
William Blake said:
No STV started a SR WR in as QB.

Regardless, maybe all of this is a good thing. They have lost 3-4 Jrs who have already transferred/left/quit with more looking for a way out, so next year's senior class is depleted. Grant can start from scratch and build a program from the bottom up and do it with his kids. It will take 3-4 years though and I don't think the Irish faithful can handle that, but they are going to have to. If they give him time and he is unable to win, then its on him, his staff and the administration.
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I thought Adamson started the last game.
 
It’s gonna be a struggle to recruit but I think of it as a good thing they might move us down to division 3 for competitive balance next year or the year after.
 
clarkgriswold said:
It always works out best when a dad lives through his kid, puts him on a pedestal, touts him to the world as the best ever and shops his services to the local high school coaches.
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Here is what is weird. Dad was a State Runner Up his senior year at Manchester. Started at QB at Mount Union where he won a few D3 National Championships. Played in the NFL and NFL Europe. It is not like he did not have a pretty good run of his own.
 
Stizostedion said:
Here is what is weird. Dad was a State Runner Up his senior year at Manchester. Started at QB at Mount Union where he won a few D3 National Championships. Played in the NFL and NFL Europe. It is not like he did not have a pretty good run of his own.
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Simliar story to the kid who is no longer with us, that I posted about above?? Food for thought!
 
There's an article on Ohio.com about Grant's first year. You have to be a subscriber, but here are the highlights:

* Since St. Vincent and St. Mary merged in 1972, the program had never won fewer than three games in a season until this year.
* Due to low participation numbers, injuries and players quitting they were playing about six freshmen in every varsity game
* The program had no freshman squad.
* About five players quit the team, some before the season opener and some during the season and some of the players who quit during the season transferred out of the school altogether.
* Grant said the quitting kids just wanted to enjoy their summers, and it was a different program than what they were used to.
* STVM had 18 freshmen, 12 sophomores and 12 juniors in its program
* When Grant was asked whether he believes STVM's administration supports him as much now as it did entering the 2024 season, he said, “Yes, most definitely.”
 
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