Super Bowl 59: Chiefs vs Eagles

Who Wins?

  • Chiefs

    Votes: 9 31.0%
  • Eagles

    Votes: 20 69.0%

  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .
There has been more pages about the halftime show than the game. I guess next year I'll title the thread: Super Bowl (Game Only)
Hopefully next years game is more competitive, it’ll lead to more game discussion. There’s just not much to say other than the Eagles defense is good, the Chiefs mostly shut down Barkley but got burned on big plays, the Chiefs OL stinks. That about sums up the game. Not much else to mention.
 
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You literally criticized me for being old and not on social media a few hours ago but were proven wrong. You then move the goal posts to my social media options of choice. Can you understand that?
What? Where did I say that?

Everyone is on social media now. But you are a conservative Trump humper and are likely being shown posts criticizing Kendrick due to your algorithm. Every other metric shows that people liked this show and are consuming his music after watching it. It is your algorithm deceiving you
 
Hopefully next years game is more competitive, it’ll lead to more game discussion. There’s just not much to say other than the eagles defense is good, the cheifs mostly shut down Barkley but got burned on big plays, the chiefs OL stinks. That about sums up the game. Not much else to mention.
KC looked old and a step behind. Perhaps this will signal a downward slope for them...hopefully.

You guys need to take this conversation elsewhere. We're here to discuss the merits of Kendrick Lamar and the downfall of American society.
 
What? Where did I say that?

Everyone is on social media now. But you are a conservative Trump humper and are likely being shown posts criticizing Kendrick due to your algorithm. Every other metric shows that people liked this show and are consuming his music after watching it. It is your algorithm deceiving you
I’m a constitutional conservative. Only weak communists call people of that political orientation “Trumpers.” I guess you’re a Bidenite then?
 
Future Super Bowl sites:


Maybe the silliest rumor is:

The NFL has yet to confirm the location of the 2029 Super Bowl, though they will likely do so later this year. That hasn't stopped fans from speculating. Many believe Super Bowl 63 will be played at the Buffalo Bills' new stadium, which is scheduled to open in 2026.


If that happens, get out the snow shovels; the Bills new stadium is open air also.

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The NFL is a copycat league. Teams will look at the Eagles and try to duplicate it.
Also, the 2020 draft is shaping up to be a pretty good QB class. Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love, and Hurts
Yes, and I'll qualify that with that Burrow, Tua, Herbert all drafted onto partially pretty good teams. Love backed up Rodgers early on and Hurts was drafted as a project. To me get your lines put together, then get a QB that fits your team. Since 2021 QB's drafted, Trever Lawrence, Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, Justin Fields, Kenny Pickett, Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson, Will Levis. Most of these guys have already got a shot and are with their 2nd/ 3rd teams already.
 
Because, again, you want people with hits. You want people engaged. Apple Music's goal is to get people to their platform to stream the headliner. And the current Apple Music top chart is:

#1 Not Like Us - Kendrick Lamar
#2 luther - Kendrick Lamar & SZA
#3 30 For 30 (with Kendrick Lamar) - SZA
#4 tv off - Kendrick Lamar
#5 squabble up - Kendrick Lamar
#10 All The Stars - Kendrick Lamar & SZA
#13 Like That - Future, Metro Boomin & Kendrick Lamar
#14 peakaboo - Kendrick Lamar
#20 Money Trees - Kendrick Lamar

On the album charts it's:
#1 GNX - Kendrick Lamar
#4 SOS Deluxe - SZA
#13 good kid, m.A.A.d city - Kendrick Lamar
#16 2025 Super Bowl Mix - Mustard
#22 DAMN. - Kendrick Lamar
#41 Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers - Kendrick Lamar
#43 To Pimp A Butterfly - Kendrick Lamar
#44 SOS - SZA
#55 Ctrl Deluxe - SZA

You aren't going to get this kind of engagement if you book nobodies like Slipknot
Anyone who played the Super Bowl halftime show is going to have big numbers the next day...even Slipknot.

IMO, Kendrick Lamar is too niche and should not have been the halftime performer. Being very well-known in one group and virtually unknown with a much larger group is not a good mix for the halftime entertainment.
 
Yes, and I'll qualify that with that Burrow, Tua, Herbert all drafted onto partially pretty good teams. Love backed up Rodgers early on and Hurts was drafted as a project. To me get your lines put together, then get a QB that fits your team. Since 2021 QB's drafted, Trever Lawrence, Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, Justin Fields, Kenny Pickett, Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson, Will Levis. Most of these guys have already got a shot and are with their 2nd/ 3rd teams already.
Kenny Pickett just won a Super Bowl ring yesterday.

 
Some general Super Bowl thoughts, beginning with the pre game shows...

  • Gronk is killing it with ads. I didn't even know Pizza Hut was a thing anymore
  • Erin Andrews?? Not aging gracefully
  • Chrissa Thompson! :love: I remember when she started doing shows on the Big Ten network years ago. She's a star now.
  • I didn't watch the game until the 4th quarter and it was over by then. I'll watch a replay so I can cut through the commercials
  • Defense still wins championships. Eagles front line on offense and front 7 on defense dominated that game.
  • Note, NFL teams, stop drafting quarterbacks high in the first round. Oline, Dline and linebackers will pave the way for success. Alot of QB's can play behind great lines.
  • The Eagles clock is now ticking. They'll get alot of accolades now, but the recipe in the NFL is eventually everyone wants to get paid, so you'll see them start paring down their roster and cutting corners. Heck look at the Chiefs, they've actually been able to stretch their window because Mahome, Kelce and Chris Jones have been stalwarts. They are now getting expensive and older.
  • We bought the KC hype all year even though they could have lost 6-7 games. It finally caught up with them.
  • The whole KC / officials thing is tired. Guess what, we'll now hear the Eagles get all the calls.
  • Pro football is miles ahead of college football because you have so much more equal talent on teams.
All in all a pretty good NFL season. I think the rooting public would had liked to see the Lions get all the way though. You wonder what an NFC championship game would had looked like with the Eagles going to Detroit. This could had been the Bills year and they simply couldn't get it done. I think with the Eagles winning and the dominance of the lines, maybe teams will begin to decide to build up front rather than with the skill position guys.
Good break down. I wasn't that sold on Hurts but what you said about QBs playing behind great lines is true and we have seen it before.
 
Future Super Bowl sites:


Maybe the silliest rumor is:

The NFL has yet to confirm the location of the 2029 Super Bowl, though they will likely do so later this year. That hasn't stopped fans from speculating. Many believe Super Bowl 63 will be played at the Buffalo Bills' new stadium, which is scheduled to open in 2026.


If that happens, get out the snow shovels; the Bills new stadium is open air also.

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Only if it's a dome. There is NO WAY the NFL will have SB's in cold weather sites. They learned their lesson having it in NYC and Detroit in ice storms. If it was just the game itself possibly, but all the other stuff means people need to get around. Imagine if the SB was what about 3 weeks ago when New Orleans had 10 inches of snow? You would had seen plow trucks from the north driving down there to clear Bourbon Street!
 
Anyone who played the Super Bowl halftime show is going to have big numbers the next day...even Slipknot.

IMO, Kendrick Lamar is too niche and should not have been the halftime performer. Being very well-known in one group and virtually unknown with a much larger group is not a good mix for the halftime entertainment.
No, they do not. Maroon 5 did not see much of a boost. Neither did Justin Timberlake. Their halftime shows are seen as the worst recently. Slipknot does not have the hits for people to recognize, seek out or be like "oh yeah! I remember this song!" and run to stream it like the recent acts do.

Kendrick Lamar had one of the biggest songs of 2024. He has 22 Grammys. He is involved in a massive rap beef that was all over pop culture in 2024. His upcoming tour is playing stadiums. If that is niche, then there are no current acts that should book the Halftime show other than like Taylor Swift and Beyonce

Just because you don't know him doesn't make him niche lol
 
Donald Trump, Taylor Swift, Patrick Mahomes, and Kendrick Lamar walk out of the stadium together last night, which one do you think most people are not going to recognize?

There is a difference between being very will know in your genre and being well known in society. Kendrick Lamar is not widely known in the mainstream. There is a reason Kendrick Lamar's halftime performance is getting slammed. Many people just don't know who he is. Telling everyone he is a Grammy winner doesn't change the lack of awareness of who he is.
 
Donald Trump, Taylor Swift, Patrick Mahomes, and Kendrick Lamar walk out of the stadium together last night, which one do you think most people are not going to recognize?

There is a difference between being very will know in your genre and being well known in society. Kendrick Lamar is not widely known in the mainstream. There is a reason Kendrick Lamar's halftime performance is getting slammed. Many people just don't know who he is. Telling everyone he is a Grammy winner doesn't change the lack of awareness of who he is.
"The president of the United States, the biggest pop star since Elvis Presley, the quarterback who just played in the Super Bowl/is the most famous player in the NFL and Kendrick Lamar" Do you hear yourself?

Kendrick has multiple singles that have sold 10M+ units in the US, his tours are massive, he has 22 Grammys, has like 5 #1 songs, etc. He is not "niche" no matter how you want to cut it. You just do not listen to him and no one in your circle does. And that's fine! Not all music is for you and your experience does. Kendrick and Drake are the two biggest rappers of the last decade and nobody else is close. The days of the monolithic celebrity are long gone (with 1 or 2 exceptions). Just because you don't know them does not mean they are "niche"
 
"The president of the United States, the biggest pop star since Elvis Presley, the quarterback who just played in the Super Bowl/is the most famous player in the NFL and Kendrick Lamar"

Kendrick has multiple singles that have sold 10M+ units in the US, his tours are massive, he has 22 Grammys, has like 5 #1 songs, etc. He is not "niche" no matter how you want to cut it. You just do not listen to him and no one in your circle does. And that's fine! Not all music is for you and your experience does. Kendrick and Drake are the two biggest rappers of the last decade and nobody else is close
But I do listen to Kendrick Lamar. I know that some of the music I listen to is universally popular. I also know that some songs are obscure. Just because I like something doesn't mean everyone else does. Kendrick Lamar is not universally popular. Most people when told Kendrick Lamar was performing said, "who?"

And I would say that Grammys are completely meaningless in this conversation. There are people with more Grammys than Kendrick Lamar that are equally unknown to most people.
 
But I do listen to Kendrick Lamar. I know that some of the music I listen to is universally popular. I also know that some songs are obscure. Just because I like something doesn't mean everyone else does. Kendrick Lamar is not universally popular. Most people when told Kendrick Lamar was performing said, "who?"

And I would say that Grammys are completely meaningless in this conversation. There are people with more Grammys than Kendrick Lamar that are equally unknown to most people.
Yeah and they are almost exclusively producers and songwriters - and the recording artists that are above him are not out here winning the Grammys on top of selling out stadiums, breaking streaming records and notching #1 singles lol

So, again, not niche. The Grammys are relevant in this case especially since Not Like Us just won the most Grammys ever for a rap song last week - including Song and Record of the Year
 
Anyone who played the Super Bowl halftime show is going to have big numbers the next day...even Slipknot.

IMO, Kendrick Lamar is too niche and should not have been the halftime performer. Being very well-known in one group and virtually unknown with a much larger group is not a good mix for the halftime entertainment.
Exactly. What else are people going to do? I doubt many people turned their TVs off during last nights performance and not many would turn the TV off for Slipknot either.
 
Having it on a Sunday is dumb but it’s significantly less dumb than having it on a Monday like college. That plays a big part.
Agree somewhat, but college does that on a Monday because if they did it on Saturday or Sunday, they’d lose viewers to the NFL playoffs.
 
Back to the game:

Was the Chiefs focus on stopping Barkley part of their downfall? Seemed they contained him really well but the rest of the team feasted on what looked like a very weak defense.
 
A primary difference in that game was that the Eagles could drop 7 guys into coverage and still get pressure on Mahomes. Fangio had a very simple but effective plan. The Chiefs on the other hand had to blitz to get to put pressure on Hurts and once that blitz was picked up the Chiefs were cooked. Also, in their attention to Barkley, they bit quite a bit on play action. Spagnolo is very predictable in his reliance on the blitz.
 
A primary difference in that game was that the Eagles could drop 7 guys into coverage and still get pressure on Mahomes. Fangio had a very simple but effective plan. The Chiefs on the other hand had to blitz to get to put pressure on Hurts and once that blitz was picked up the Chiefs were cooked. Also, in their attention to Barkley, they bit quite a bit on play action. Spagnolo is very predictable in his reliance on the blitz.
The Eagles have a very good o-line, most teams can't handle the different blitz packages that Spagnola schemes up.

Edit: Eagles had the most complete team in the NFL this season, didn't have to rely on the QB to be superman.
 
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