You can have a shot against anyone you want including Olentangy Liberty but I think it can come across as disrespectful at some point barring a head to head win. Even then it is conjecture having not faced the same path. If it matters that much play them.
Ironton Vs. Marion Local In Week 1...Not So Fast
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You can have a shot against anyone you want including Olentangy Liberty but I think it can come across as disrespectful at some point barring a head to head win. Even then it is conjecture having not faced the same path. If it matters that much play them.
State2013-1
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That's the weakest shot you can take at anyone then
I would say taking a shot at them is saying they didn't deserve it or that them and their opponents are "garbage."
I guess we can get a guage when Kirtland plays them next year.
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Or D5. That would be a good game and I'd love to see it and I highly doubt Ironton is in the mood to concede this year to them.
State2013-1
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Good, they shouldn't be
Bingo. That's why some would consider it a shot.
State2013-1
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Again, very weak shot. I mean if saying ML would have a chance to beat them with the 2024 team (by comparing the film) gets their undies in a wad then that's pretty bad. If it was insert other division 7 school then it would probably be a shot.
Rack162
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Thank You.
It is not directed at you specifically. But ML would win D4 (or D5) is a more declarative statement than having a chance.
State2013-1
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I'm not a fan of absolutes. Politicians do it all the time and it ticks me off. I do stand by saying that IV would have been a better matchup for ML than Minster just because of what MLs strengths were and what IV runs as an offense. Their defense also couldn't tackle Perkins wide receiver on simple bubble screens. Our number one's dad played in the NFL so he's pretty athletic in his own right just from genetics alone. So just talking about what I see on film, I would like our chance to pull a win out. Doesn't mean we would. There was a chance Hillsdale would have beat us.
Msfootball
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My "yep" reply was affirming my previous post that Marion Local would "probably" beat the D4 Champ "this year". In other words "Yep, they would probably beat the D4 Champ "this year." You acknowledge they have a chance, and you wouldn't write them off. You might lean towards IV and I lean towards ML on who would win. Nothing wrong with that.
Rack162
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Chance meaning All-Time D4-D7 not 2024. My grandad told me a story about ML beating Ursuline 20 years ago, so of course they have a chance in D4-7. Anyway, I 100% probably think that ML wouldn't have won D4 this year and thats OK.
The streak was never on the line vs Patrick Henryalthough I don't understand the obsession with successful small school programs being told they should play Massillon/Edward/Hoban to prove they are "Good enough". Ironton vs MSML would be interesting to watch though and I hope it does happen.
The point wasn't the streak. It's that ML is and always has been more to willing to play ANY small to medium school at any time. Those are all top notch programs they've played and in most cases held their own or beat them.
If they don't play Ironton it will have nothing to do either their streak or being afraid. It'll simply be the 2 sides couldn't come to mutually beneficial agreement on a series. Ignore the streak, because I highly doubt it's something Goodwin or even most ML fans take into account every week. That's fun stuff for fans.
But yes, I do hope ML vs Ironton happens. Whether it's one year at a neutral site somewhere around Dayton or Columbus, or a home and home series. Would be an insanely fun game(s).
well I guess we will never know, I haven't seen the division 4 teams this season, and the dudes from Steinerland haven't seen them either and the dudes from Div 4 have not seen ML either..... we have done this type of posting all season long... be happy that your team won it in Div 4 and ML should be happy that they won it in Div 7...... SO LET IT BE WRITTEN.... SO LET IT BE DONE!!!!!!!!
heck if the Heitkamp boy didn't have a GREAT 82 yard run, MAYBE the flyers would have gotten by Minster... things we will NEVER know!!
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AT THIS POINT WHO CARES!!!
MilkAthletesCorn
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I agree on the streak, it'll be in ML name until someone else breaks it. My concern with this is as a parent of kids involved. I would rather my kids not be on a bus for 8 hours round trip anywhere, especially for a OOC game. The return home will be at 2AM again, and I don’t trust other sweetie drivers that will be on the roads at that time. State games are a whole lot different in that the OHSAA picks the time and place. Really don't care who the opponent is, if there's an option closer we should not be spending money like this for "storied programs" to compete. It's expensive enough to raise kids and just adding property tax for new classrooms into budgets, sorry not in favor if there's other options.
Msfootball
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Well, we do know the answer to that. Heitkamp DID have that great run, and Minster was held 7 or fewer once again. That's not even up for debate. Eh, Marion Local vs Indian Valley......it's something we can speculate on. I got Marion Local winning that one, Bigkat. Minster did have one whale of a great team this year. They played Coldwater down to the wire, while having some key injuries, and we saw what Coldwater did to Kirtland. The MAC as a whole wasn't great this year, but those top three teams were operating at a high level.
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the key point i was making....things we will never know, but all this stuff thru the season about ML beating div 4, div 3 , div 2 , div 1 teams...... those are things we will never know.... just like if the heitkamp boy doesn't make that run, would Minster have been able to beat the FLYERS... I guess we will NEVER KNOW....
Msfootball
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Well, yeah I'm on record not delving into the D1 to D3 discussion. But.....D4 and D5 for THIS year's team, I'm guessing that was within their realm of capability. And yes, we will never know.
I agree with all of that. Truthfully I'd love to see the 2 play neutral site, Saturday afternoon somewhere....but if it can't happen it can't happen. There are good teams and good gates closer to home and even if it's a Dayton area school it's probably a better option than putting either side on that road trip.
I also wish some of the long regional playoff trips could be trimmed down. Some kind of sectional system where you play the first 2 weeks within reasonable distance, then the neutral site starts. We're at least blessed up this way that a trip from Defiance to Cleveland and back is on well maintained 4 lane roads, but some of those road trips SE Ohio schools have to go through are insane.
simkon
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I generally have occasion to talk to people at restaurants, when eating lunch or dinner, at stores like the dollar store, getting gas at the pump, just wherever, sometimes there are some on the work crews. Usually I just talk to people for lack of anything else to do or be friendly, occasionally things go South. And I agree a lot of the ML people I met have no idea where Canfield is, but they were at the State Championship games the year Canfield won and thought ML was better generally.
MilkAthletesCorn
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I would highly doubt there would be a nuetral site. We lost way too much revenue this year with only 4 home games. Boosters try to fund as much as possible but losing 50/50 and concessions just for one game is HUGE. We can't afford to lose it every year, plus that nuetral site is not going to be cheap. The match up everyone would be anticipating was this years teams and most won't even be on the field. I'm not saying it won't happen and yes it has made a very enjoyable Yappi thread! Lol
Captain_Cavman
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Yet driving past ML Booster Field, with the grain mill, bar, no stop lights just signs, etc, l believe most would think " This is it? The home of the 15 time State Champ Marion Local Flyers"?
Captain_Cavman
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Yet how far was the Indiana team Marion played in their season opener...Linton-Stockton?
MilkAthletesCorn
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There was really no choice. It was late in the "finding opponents process" when we found out about wapak playing Toledo SJ. I also said "if there are closer options." I'm still befuddled as to why wapak did what they did, because they definitely didn't improve from a competition perspective and dropping opponents like they did can leave bad impressions.
Footballstump
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Word on the street is that Ironton is ready to rumble, but Marion Local is saying “no mas” to protect their winning streak and the national attention it gets their program/school. If that reasoning is true - that’s a shame. Opportunity for that level of greatness is earned, and risks should be taken. ML is a great program but like one of the GOATS always says, “TO BE THE MAN, YOU GOTTA BEAT THE MAN - WOOOOOOOO!” And in this case ML is phony tough and Ironton is crazy brave.
That is all negotiable. Usually teams with similar venues/attendance agree to split the gate. (Many leagues do this also). That negotiation can become stickier when one team draws alot more fans than the other. For us the visiting team usually makes more money than they do at their own home games. In any case it shouldn't be too difficult to agree on terms that ML does not lose money on esp. considering how small your venue is. I know the 50/50 is big there but maybe they could still have one for a marquee away game(?).
ML should take the show on the road or bring the show to ML. Tarboro NC a 1A team (equivalent to DVII) just won their 8th state championship. I think it would be pretty cool to see the two match up like some of the D1's in Ohio try to compete with other big schools from other states. Key word try. I personally think ML would destroy them, but they do have a ton of talent and it would be a fun one.
Captain_Cavman
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eaglesfan216
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You're obsessed with this. Yeah...at 12:30 in the morning it takes 3 hours and change. 90 in the eastern burbs and 271 in the day and early evening is a different beast. 71 north of Columbus at rush hour isn't a joke either. Can easily take 3 hours and change from downtown Cleveland some days (which is quite the head start from Conneaut), I do it often.