Ironton Vs. Marion Local In Week 1...Not So Fast

[NEOfan]

Ironton fan here. I think by and large the ML contingent here are incredibly respectful especially given their unprecedented success. It seems to be some general blowhards that start threads about how many divisions ML would roll in while also challenging them to “play up” to test their mettle. It’s likely based in jealousy that often shows up when someone or a team becomes very successful. My hat is off to them. It’s fun to watch a group of young people perform at a consistently higher level than their competition for such an extended period of time. If there is a better small school program in the country I sure don’t know where it is.

I'm from Cleveland and agree. These Marion Local threads are just overkill at this point. Would LOVE for yall to play them for no other reason than it'd be a great small school football gme. If it doesn't happen it doesn't happen no need for all this they're scared and protecting their record nonsense

 

[NEOfan]

I have met some ML alumni in real life, most of them but not all, I didn't care for, for one reason or another. A few just this year kept carrying on about how they were far and away the best team in the state and that the defending state champions in D-I or D-II would be afraid to schedule Marion Local next year.
Incidentally I meet a lot of people, and my experience has been that Marion Local alumni and fans have been the most unpleasant to meet out of all of them followed by Steubenville and Glenville.
My comments and remarks are not solely on the basis of what is said on this forum but also what people have said to me in person.

Also on an unrelated note I wouldn't be surprised if Marion Local has a lot more seasons in their future where they are forced to settle for only 4 home games or take a bye.

You just mentioned 3 programs that will never play Canfield. Go get some mental help expeditiously

 

[Stirred not Shaken]

In defense of this year’s D4 champ I think you should look to them on how hard it actually is to compete at the highest level of D4 with “regular kids”. The beauty of ML is that they are outstanding because of a great community, coaching, and kids that are bought it. IV has Zero players that have transferred in during high school, they are just a rural school with great coaches and kids that work exceptionally hard. You usually don’t run into schools like that in the last few weeks of the playoffs in D4. You are usually competing with schools that can control their population and/or heavily recruit kids. I’m not saying ML couldn’t win D4 at times but I will say that you wouldn’t be able to run the table year in and year out and I actually don’t think you would beat this year’s champion either. But it’s easy to say you would when there is zero chance that you can ever play them.

This

 

[simkon]

You just mentioned 3 programs that will never play Canfield. Go get some mental help expeditiously

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[State2013-1]

What does that have to do with anything?

I'd like to know the last time you've met an ML alumni because you said you haven't seen them play in person since like 2004 and there really aren't that many of us spread around the state. We stay in this bubble for the most part. You have as good a chance of meeting one as I do meeting you on the street. I also have a hard time believing any of them would willingly bring up football unless you were the one instigating it and pushing as you do here with your "garbage" comments. If anything, you're probably the unpleasant one to them and the Steubenville guys. Seems like you got this God complex because you happen to build roads. I find big time engineers to be very arrogant and think their s**t don't stink. You're probably one of them.

 

[TigerPaw]

You realize Marion Local fans aren't saying they would win many divisions every year? Show of hands....how many Marion Local fans think they can win many divisions every year? The 2024 team was special. Yeah I think the 2024 team would probably beat the D4 Champ this year. But that's just one special year. Not too many of the big boys were chomping at the bit to play the 2024 team. Now everyone wants a piece of 2025 apparently.

You just did, LOL. Anyone can beat anyone on a given day (don't need to tell me that!) but I would not contend they would beat the D4 champ nor the 2nd or 3rd best teams in that division. But they are a GREAT program and clearly the most successful program in Ohio - congrats.

 

[State2013-1]

You just did, LOL. Anyone can beat anyone on a given day (don't need to tell me that!) but I would not contend they would beat the D4 champ nor the 2nd or 3rd best teams in that division. But they are a GREAT program and clearly the most successful program in Ohio - congrats.

I do believe he said this years team was special compared to other years and would have the best shot to do it.

 

[BBfan61]

If not Ironton I have a few names. Alter, Bellbrook, or Liberty Center

BB plays Tipp week 1.

 

[NEOfan]

I'd like to know the last time you've met an ML alumni because you said you haven't seen them play in person since like 2004 and there really aren't that many of us spread around the state. We stay in this bubble for the most part. You have as good a chance of meeting one as I do meeting you on the street. I also have a hard time believing any of them would willingly bring up football unless you were the one instigating it and pushing as you do here with your "garbage" comments. If anything, you're probably the unpleasant one to them and the Steubenville guys. Seems like you got this God complex because you happen to build roads. I find big time engineers to be very arrogant and think their s**t don't stink. You're probably one of them.

I was going to do the short version of what you just said but exactly

 

[Bruce Monnin]

I didn't think any Marion Local alumnus ever traveled more that 30 miles from Maria Stein, unless it is to go to Tennessee for a week in the summer.

 

[simkon]

I'd like to know the last time you've met an ML alumni because you said you haven't seen them play in person since like 2004 and there really aren't that many of us spread around the state. We stay in this bubble for the most part. You have as good a chance of meeting one as I do meeting you on the street. I also have a hard time believing any of them would willingly bring up football unless you were the one instigating it and pushing as you do here with your "garbage" comments. If anything, you're probably the unpleasant one to them and the Steubenville guys. Seems like you got this God complex because you happen to build roads. I find big time engineers to be very arrogant and think their s**t don't stink. You're probably one of them.

I met some when working on I-75, US-33, US-36, US-127, and I think US-30 over the years. When I saw Marion Local play I actually didn't talk to hardly anyone. I probably ran into about 15-20 this year in my travels for work, I didn't keep an exact count. I travel all over the state and adjacent states for work, so I meet a lot of different people. Probably the most pleasant people I met recently were on some of the islands on Lake Erie, this one nice gentleman gave me a tour around the island on his golf cart and invited me inside his house for lunch while I was waiting on the ferry. As far as Steubenville goes, I have worked extensively in the Steubenville area and adjacent towns like Rayland, Wintersville, etc. I have met a ton of Steubenville alumni, the ones that don't bring up football have been fine however, but a lot of them like to talk about the success the team has had over the years (that would be a nice way to put it I suppose).
The thing that happens usually at somepoint in all my negative experiences regardless of where someone is from, is things go downhill when they make some sort of remarks about people from Canfield, and then often they go on to say something about Canfield just got lucky and didn't deserve to win the state championship a few years ago, or in the case of Marion Local, Steubenville and Glenville alumni specifically that their team would have easily handled Canfield that year, or that Canfield is afraid to schedule ML, Steubenville or Glenville.

 

[simkon]

I didn't think any Marion Local alumnus ever traveled more that 30 miles from Maria Stein, unless it is to go to Tennessee for a week in the summer.

I have been within 30 miles of the high school many times over the years for work. I have worked in almost every county of Ohio.

 

[State2013-1]

I met some when working on I-75, US-33, US-36, US-127, and I think US-30 over the years. When I saw Marion Local play I actually didn't talk to hardly anyone. I probably ran into about 15-20 this year in my travels for work, I didn't keep an exact count. I travel all over the state and adjacent states for work, so I meet a lot of different people. Probably the most pleasant people I met recently were on some of the islands on Lake Erie, this one nice gentleman gave me a tour around the island on his golf cart and invited me inside his house for lunch while I was waiting on the ferry. As far as Steubenville goes, I have worked extensively in the Steubenville area and adjacent towns like Rayland, Wintersville, etc. I have met a ton of Steubenville alumni, the ones that don't bring up football have been fine however, but a lot of them like to talk about the success the team has had over the years (that would be a nice way to put it I suppose).
The thing that happens usually at somepoint in all my negative experiences regardless of where someone is from, is things go downhill when they make some sort of remarks about people from Canfield, and then often they go on to say something about Canfield just got lucky and didn't deserve to win the state championship a few years ago, or in the case of Marion Local, Steubenville and Glenville alumni specifically that their team would have easily handled Canfield that year, or that Canfield is afraid to schedule ML, Steubenville or Glenville.

ML people couldn't even tell you where Canfield is on a map, let alone care whether Canfield won the state championship or not. So, these alumni were the ones building the roads or what? Otherwise why would anyone from here meet you while working on 75. 75 is a good 30 minutes away from here. 127 is also on the edge of our district and unless you stopped in the Korner to eat lunch, you probably didn't meet any then that wanted to discuss football.

Also why would they just randomly bring up where they went to high school. Did you ask so you could interrogate them?

 

[Mr.wrsln2]

I met some when working on I-75, US-33, US-36, US-127, and I think US-30 over the years. When I saw Marion Local play I actually didn't talk to hardly anyone. I probably ran into about 15-20 this year in my travels for work, I didn't keep an exact count. I travel all over the state and adjacent states for work, so I meet a lot of different people. Probably the most pleasant people I met recently were on some of the islands on Lake Erie, this one nice gentleman gave me a tour around the island on his golf cart and invited me inside his house for lunch while I was waiting on the ferry. As far as Steubenville goes, I have worked extensively in the Steubenville area and adjacent towns like Rayland, Wintersville, etc. I have met a ton of Steubenville alumni, the ones that don't bring up football have been fine however, but a lot of them like to talk about the success the team has had over the years (that would be a nice way to put it I suppose).
The thing that happens usually at somepoint in all my negative experiences regardless of where someone is from, is things go downhill when they make some sort of remarks about people from Canfield, and then often they go on to say something about Canfield just got lucky and didn't deserve to win the state championship a few years ago, or in the case of Marion Local, Steubenville and Glenville alumni specifically that their team would have easily handled Canfield that year, or that Canfield is afraid to schedule ML, Steubenville or Glenville.

Sounds like you just couldnt handle the steubenville pizza.

 

[TheLibertyTiger]

You don't pay attention at all do you?

They've played Wapakoneta, McComb, Patrick Henry, Watterson, Chaminade-Julienne in the last decade. Even Linton-Stockton this year ended up being state runner up in Indiana, and ML traveled there this year. They're not afraid of playing Ironton. It just has to make sense. If Ironton is looking for a 1 year deal at Ironton, that doesn't make sense. Home and home or neutral site, maybe.

But saying ML is scared to put their streak on the line is downright hilarious.

The streak was never on the line vs Patrick Henry although I don't understand the obsession with successful small school programs being told they should play Massillon/Edward/Hoban to prove they are "Good enough". Ironton vs MSML would be interesting to watch though and I hope it does happen.

 

[Insane92]

The streak was never on the line vs Patrick Henry although I don't understand the obsession with successful small school programs being told they should play Massillon/Edward/Hoban to prove they are "Good enough". Ironton vs MSML would be interesting to watch though and I hope it does happen.

Some posters on here for whatever season don’t like ML’s success and feel they “have to” prove something by playing bigger teams. It doesn’t make any sense.

 

[MilkAthletesCorn]

I didn't think any Marion Local alumnus ever traveled more that 30 miles from Maria Stein, unless it is to go to Tennessee for a week in the summer.

We're pretty big Reds fans in these parts too. Lol

 

[Rack162]

Yep in 2024....not every year like most of the beef-wits fail to understand.

Well, any "beef-wit" who believes ML could win a title in D1-D3 is nuts. However, the majority of the remarks I read from ML fans are similar to yours that ML can win 4-7. You said "this year," but most, not all, ML fans seem to believe they can run through 4-7 yearly. My question is, what makes you believe that ML can beat 2024 IV, Perkins, Taft, or Ginn Academy? Your win against D6 Coldwater? Are there any other wins outside of your rival Colwater, D6, or D7 in the last ten years that would suggest you could win D4?

 

[BigPSH]

Well, any "beef-wit" who believes ML could win a title in D1-D3 is nuts. However, the majority of the remarks I read from ML fans are similar to yours that ML can win 4-7. You said "this year," but most, not all, ML fans seem to believe they can run through 4-7 yearly. My question is, what makes you believe that ML can beat 2024 IV, Perkins, Taft, or Ginn Academy? Your win against D6 Coldwater? Are there any other wins outside of your rival Colwater, D6, or D7 in the last ten years that would suggest you could win D4?

Do we really need to qualify everything? This is the kind of circular logic that always ends up with us in these thread that go absolutely no where. No they haven't beaten anyone recently that would suggest they could win D4. However some people can just watch teams and get a pretty good judgement on how they would stack up. It doesn't take Einstein to watch this Marion team over the course of the season and think they could compete with, if not win the lower divisions in Ohio.

 

[State2013-1]

Well, any "beef-wit" who believes ML could win a title in D1-D3 is nuts. However, the majority of the remarks I read from ML fans are similar to yours that ML can win 4-7. You said "this year," but most, not all, ML fans seem to believe they can run through 4-7 yearly. My question is, what makes you believe that ML can beat 2024 IV, Perkins, Taft, or Ginn Academy? Your win against D6 Coldwater? Are there any other wins outside of your rival Colwater, D6, or D7 in the last ten years that would suggest you could win D4?

No, no ML fan would say yearly. I can name ML teams on 1 hand that maybe could have done it. 2024, 2014, 2017, 2007.

This ML team had speed, size and agility they don't usually have. The matchup would have been good enough to pull out a win just by looking at the makeups of the personel. They also would have played way better defense then Perkins did and I'm willing to put my life saving on that one.

 

[Flbackyard]

I have met some ML alumni in real life, most of them but not all, I didn't care for, for one reason or another. A few just this year kept carrying on about how they were far and away the best team in the state and that the defending state champions in D-I or D-II would be afraid to schedule Marion Local next year.
Incidentally I meet a lot of people, and my experience has been that Marion Local alumni and fans have been the most unpleasant to meet out of all of them followed by Steubenville and Glenville.
My comments and remarks are not solely on the basis of what is said on this forum but also what people have said to me in person.

Also on an unrelated note I wouldn't be surprised if Marion Local has a lot more seasons in their future where they are forced to settle for only 4 home games or take a bye.

I know tons of MSML people and can easily say they are fantastic people (as are most people in the area of the state). There are several towns that I'd put ahead of them in the annoyance category for sure.

 

[Rack162]

No, no ML fan would say yearly. I can name ML teams on 1 hand that maybe could have done it. 2024, 2014, 2017, 2007.

This ML team had speed, size and agility they don't usually have. The matchup would have been good enough to pull out a win just by looking at the makeups of the personel. They also would have played way better defense then Perkins did and I'm willing to put my life saving on that one.

Like I said, not all.

So you're saying they'd win D4 because of the eye test.

I'll be honest, the only ML game I watched this year was the Minster playoff game, so I'm shocked you'd risk your lifesaving's on ML vs. D4.

 

[State2013-1]

Like I said, not all.

So you're saying they'd win D4 because of the eye test.

I'll be honest, the only ML game I watched this year was the Minster playoff game, so I'm shocked you'd risk your lifesaving's on ML vs. D4.

It's like Goodwin always says. He looks at matchups. Minster was a worse matchup. IV loved to run the football. That matchup is better for ML especially this year than Minster who throws the ball a lot.

 

[Rack162]

Do we really need to qualify everything? This is the kind of circular logic that always ends up with us in these thread that go absolutely no where. No they haven't beaten anyone recently that would suggest they could win D4. However some people can just watch teams and get a pretty good judgement on how they would stack up. It doesn't take Einstein to watch this Marion team over the course of the season and think they could compete with, if not win the lower divisions in Ohio.

HE SAID THEY'D WIN D4! Why couldn't he just be happy with their D7 win!

 

[tcgobucks]

The streak was never on the line vs Patrick Henry although I don't understand the obsession with successful small school programs being told they should play Massillon/Edward/Hoban to prove they are "Good enough". Ironton vs MSML would be interesting to watch though and I hope it does happen.

Lol....ML has the entire MAC schedule to go thru. I'm guessing they aren't scheduling their opening game vs a weaker team just to keep "the streak" alive. The streak will be challenged enough just with their conference schedule.

 

[TigerPaw]

Do we really need to qualify everything? This is the kind of circular logic that always ends up with us in these thread that go absolutely no where. No they haven't beaten anyone recently that would suggest they could win D4. However some people can just watch teams and get a pretty good judgement on how they would stack up. It doesn't take Einstein to watch this Marion team over the course of the season and think they could compete with, if not win the lower divisions in Ohio.

I agree it is not unusual, or unique to ML, to compare a state champ after a GREAT year to a team a division, and sometimes 2, above it. But beyond that gets into "cocky" territory. Clearly however they CAN compete with certain playoff qualifying teams in D3, and perhaps D2, which is extremely impressive. D1 is so expanded it would not necessarily shock me there either. (several 1, 2, and 3 win teams).

 

[serpico]

HE SAID THEY'D WIN D4! Why couldn't he just be happy with their D7 win!

He said ‘probably’. And while I understand how the transitive property doesn’t always work, how about this?

Perkins lost to IV by 1
Glenville lost to Perkins by 2
Those three seem similarly matched.

Perry lost to Glenville in OT
Kirtland beat Perry in OT
These three also seem pretty close to one another.

Coldwater beat Kirtland by 24
Marion Local beat Coldwater by 35

I’m not saying ML would beat any of the prior teams by 59, but I think they’d stand a good chance against any of them. Other than saying ‘they’re only D7’, you tell me why ML THIS YEAR wouldn’t have a shot.

 

[Rack162]

He said ‘probably’. And while I understand how the transitive property doesn’t always work, how about this?

Perkins lost to IV by 1
Glenville lost to Perkins by 2
Those three seem similarly matched.

Perry lost to Glenville in OT
Kirtland beat Perry in OT
These three also seem pretty close to one another.

Coldwater beat Kirtland by 24
Marion Local beat Coldwater by 35

I’m not saying ML would beat any of the prior teams by 59, but I think they’d stand a good chance against any of them. Other than saying ‘they’re only D7’, you tell me why ML THIS YEAR wouldn’t have a shot.

That was the first post; he later replied, "yep" to 24 ML winning D4-7. I never said they didn't have a chance to win D4-D7; I think they have a phenomenal program, and I agree with what the other guy posted, saying that there are plenty of teams in D1-D5 that they could probably beat. What I did say was that they wouldn't win a title in D1-D3.

My point was, if you're going to be taking shots at higher-division state champs, let's hear why, and I asked them to name a team other than COLDWATER in the last 10 years that THEY'VE beaten to justify them constantly saying they could win D4-7 (again, not all but most). I also watched the Minster game that was played in VERY CLEAN conditions.

 

[State2013-1]

That was the first post; he later replied, "yep" to 24 ML winning D4-7. I never said they didn't have a chance to win D4-D7; I think they have a phenomenal program, and I agree with what the other guy posted, saying that there are plenty of teams in D1-D5 that they could probably beat. What I did say was that they wouldn't win a title in D1-D3.

My point was, if you're going to be taking shots at higher-division state champs, let's hear why, and I asked them to name a team other than COLDWATER in the last 10 years that THEY'VE beaten to justify them constantly saying they could win D4-7 (again, not all but most). I also watched the Minster game that was played in VERY CLEAN conditions.

Whos taking shots at anyone?

 

[Combo]

Whos taking shots at anyone?

Saying that ML could beat this year's D4 state champ is taking a shot at a higher division's state champ