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It is true. You can see this on OHSAA.com.
Glenville or Ginn Academy?
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Students who live outside Cleveland can apply for open enrollment at any CMSD school. If that school doesn't offer sports, the students athletic eligibility is vested at the CMSD school closest to their residence.
This is exactly the confusion that breeds conspiracy. CMSD very clearly has an open enrollment policy district wide, both for students living in the district and those who don't. I mean, Ginn Academy has students from at least three counties. CSA pulls from all over the region. Those kids aren't going to the school closest to their residence. It's not clear if a student lives in, let's say the Collinwood zone, but enroll at Glenville if that student plays for Glenville or Collinwood. It's more clear in theory, but short of confirmation, that a student at Ginn Academy would play for the high school closest to their residence.
That's my understanding/interpretation as well. Because of the local policy regarding choice, a student (whether they live in or outside the district) can attend any CMSD they want and play sports at that school, if they offer sports. If the school does not, then their athletic eligibility defaults to the school closest to their residence.
All-state kicker
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This is correct.
Oil Filter
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1. There's a difference between east Cleveland as a general area (Glenville, Collinwood, etc.) and the city of East Cleveland.
2. Play sports where you play school.
2. Play sports where you play school.
RollRedBuckeye
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Then how does Glenville have a CB of 0? You said it yourself that players can live outside the district and still attend Glenville but yet they are counted as “in district” kids? Sounds a little strange doesn’t it?
All-state kicker
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The kids that participate in sports and attend GA must play for the CMSD school nearest them. I live in a suburb of CLE and Glenville is the school nearest me. I checked with CMSD, GA, and OHSAA to triple confirm we were following all policies prior to enrolling my son at GA. I’m sure I’m not the only parent that did that.
Crimson and Black
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Well, after all of the discussion on the topic there is really only one unknown answer. It is simply a Competitive Balance number issue. Since the “attendance zone” factor came into the discussion and to think the CB number is zero defies rational thinking. If addresses are being changed to comply with the rules then there is an issue. But again, to turn in a zero competitive balance number is just too hard to believe for most of us who are not tied to Glenville. Sure looks like they are using 2 schools to manipulate the enrollment and the division they are assigned. It’s all good and it is what it is. Maybe all this discussion is for nothing and handing the trophy to glenville after the first scrimmage was a little premature.
RollRedBuckeye
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Boom! There is the loophole. Live in the burbs and send your kid to GA for football. However, that kid does not adjust the CB # for Glenville. The OHSAA allows it but you have to admit it’s a flaw in the system.
Give Glenville the trophy. Barring a major upset they are winning D4. It’s just about the way they are going about it has others frustrated.
All-state kicker
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What’s your definition of loophole? It’s OHSAA policy that’s being strictly followed. You realize Glenville has a lot of talent since Ginn, Sr. became the HC right? This is a sports website, talk football or just stop. It’s exhausting.
HooleyHouse22
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https://www.cleveland.com/highschoo...or-2018-football-playoffs-according-to-ohsaa/
Read this article from 2018. Numerous kids playing for Glenville wrongfully (Should have been playing for another CMSD based on their address and couldn't even obtain an address for one kid. If you this isn't happening again you are just simply naïve. It's a matter of time before somebody emails Tim Stried again hopefully Glenville has the correct "addresses".
Read this article from 2018. Numerous kids playing for Glenville wrongfully (Should have been playing for another CMSD based on their address and couldn't even obtain an address for one kid. If you this isn't happening again you are just simply naïve. It's a matter of time before somebody emails Tim Stried again hopefully Glenville has the correct "addresses".
Crimson and Black
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You nailed It. It is exhausting. But that’s why these forums exist. Obviously folks want to know how a D IV school can compile an obscene level of talent. Good football teams are everywhere and there are favorites to win state titles. But none of them are a forgone conclusion. Glenville is not a favorite to win the DIV title……. They are guaranteed to win the state championship. No “attendance zone” in the United States contains elite talent at every position on the field. They are in fact a City of Cleveland + all star team. The talent differential between Glenville and every other D IV team is so enormous that penciling them in as state champs prior to the first snap of the season is not so crazy. You can’t say that for any other team in Ohio. From purely a talent perspective they belong playing other insanely talented teams. And there are none in D IV.
I’m sure people emailed last year about it and I’m sure they’re already is a microscope right now. Don’t you think?
This is not the first time there has been a really good team full of D1 recruits in small school football in Ohio and wont be the last. Cincinnati Taft is also D4 and will eventually send 8-10 kids that are currently in their system. "Elite talent at every position" is also a bit dramatic.
Lastly how did littl ole VAN WERT compete with Glenville but the Big Red faithful already waving the white flag?
HooleyHouse22
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The point I'm making is that 5 years ago they had 13 players playing for the wrong school district illegally. Do you think magically 5 years later they have more talent, but are now actually following the rules. No, I don't think OHSAA has employeed investigators walking around the Glenville District tracking kids I'm sure in 2018 somebody submitted some hard evidence (pictures, texts, something).
RollRedBuckeye
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Big Red isn’t waiving the white flag. We welcome the opportunity to compete against a school like Glenville. It’s just the nonsense involved that is frustrating.
RollRedBuckeye
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I’m going to again go back to nobody from Glenville will just admit what they are doing is a little shady or at least bending the rules. It’s all on the up and up for them.
Oil Filter
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Hard sayin'. Maybe they've got their act together and all these kids legitimately live in the Glenville attendance zone. Maybe they're just better at hiding it. Or maybe they just think that no one will be checking.
The question isn't whether someone will contact OHSAA; the question is whether OHSAA will take any action if they do. That may depend on who that someone is. It's probably a safe bet that some folks on here are a lot more concerned about potential violations than are the administrations at the schools and districts from which these kids transferred. Which might leave it up to schools which think that Glenville is a potential obstacle to their success. Then ask yourself: what evidence would West Holmes or Van Wert or Steubenville be able to gather and present that would compel OHSAA to investigate?
Following policy doesn’t mean it’s not a loophole. In almost any other scenario, this person would count towards the CB number.
He just said the championship 14 weeks away is a forgone conclusion....
Oil Filter
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GA students who live in the Glenville district are rolled into the school's base number as add-backs. It's like CB in that it does bump their final enrollment, but it's not broken out as a separate number.
But that's not the question. Rather, the question is if every player on the roster lives in the Glenville attendance zone. That's possible, of course, but a decision to voluntarily relocate into that environment would be perplexing.
Gamma Gobbler
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Just curious, is Glenville still a DIV team after all this hashing, rehashing and regurgitation of the previous hashes and rehashes? I know, let's start another thread to discuss and maybe this time everyone can bring the quilt they are sewing to discuss. 
Oil Filter
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Funnily enough, their 2022 enrollment numbers (prior to any add-backs or CB) put them in D5.
According to ODE, Glenville has a 50/50 boy/girl split and 340 students in grades 9-11. Taken together, that's 170 boys. D5 is 154-201. However, OHSAA puts them at 249. Did they have 79 add-backs? Even curiouser, OHSAA has a girls' enrollment of 213. Where do they come from? This may all be legit, but it is not intuitive.
RollRedBuckeye
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Just being realistic. If Big Red is fortunate enough to be in the state finals we will be prepared. Out gunned but prepared. If it comes to that, we will see how things shake out.
Gamma Gobbler
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Dude, good research and I think some of that came from one of my posts many iterations ago, possibly from a couple of different threads but you forgot the decline of city population in relation to male/female student body and the time the GA was established. Since then, I have grown to accept the divisional breakouts and it has not changed my life one bit. Like Apollo Creed's trainer said to him in Rocky II, "...let it go..."
My suggestion and it may be freeing realization....look in the mirror tomorrow morning and say, "its high school football", then say, "I may be the problem, how can I be the solution".
