Yeah. Because a team full of recruits can't make another team look bad. This makes complete sense.
. The 28 other teams RH boat-raced this year (minimal close games) must have "put themselves into bad situations".
Convoy Crestview vs Richmond Heights Updates 3/18 (DIV Championship)
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. The 28 other teams RH boat-raced this year (minimal close games) must have "put themselves into bad situations".where were they prior to 9th grade? What AAU team are they affiliated with? Why did they go to Richmond Heights? Was it for that Richmond Heights diploma?
Not to Harp on this too much, but I would be willing to bet Hiland and Convoy Crestview had players that were at their school since Kindergarten, this is where the beef comes in with Richmond Heights, sure they are not violating any rule when the kids come in as freshman as long as if they are open enrolled they are at least marked as so on the competitive balance, but these are not true "Richmond" kids, just like when they had the Harris kid come from Glenoak, most public schools have an open enrollee come in and help out a team once every 10 years, Richmond is just replacing top tier open enrolled kids with other open enrolled kids
Other two probably weren't slackers.
Richmond definitely had a bad shooting night that night and still won by 20. Not knocking anyone, it is what it is...
Yappi
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I think we need to step back and look at the reason for creating divisions in the first place. It was to give smaller schools a chance to have success that was impossible against larger schools at that time. We did not have student movement at that time that changed the fortunes of a single school overnight.
Today, player movement has made some schools instant contenders regardless of school size. With the right situation, a school of 5 boys could be the best team in the state.
When I think of HS sports, I think of schools taking their best athletes and competing against another school's best athletes. If we invented a new team sport and gave everyone a week to prepare, I would expect the biggest schools (1000+ boys) to beat the smallest schools (100 or less boys) every time.
Unfortunately, that is not how it is anymore. Players move to play with other great players on great teams. This makes enrollment based divisions almost meaningless. No way a DIV team should ever be in the conversation as the best team in the state. If they are, there is something wrong with how we determine divisions.
Today, player movement has made some schools instant contenders regardless of school size. With the right situation, a school of 5 boys could be the best team in the state.
When I think of HS sports, I think of schools taking their best athletes and competing against another school's best athletes. If we invented a new team sport and gave everyone a week to prepare, I would expect the biggest schools (1000+ boys) to beat the smallest schools (100 or less boys) every time.
Unfortunately, that is not how it is anymore. Players move to play with other great players on great teams. This makes enrollment based divisions almost meaningless. No way a DIV team should ever be in the conversation as the best team in the state. If they are, there is something wrong with how we determine divisions.
Okay lets talk hoops, where should those kids have gone if they were not at Richmond prior to 9 th grade??? or like I asked before did they go to Richmond for the quality education? If the answer is they went because Quinton Rogers and team AAU asked them to come there is your reason
Nail on the head. And only four on this year's team actually played on last year's state championship team. It's recruiting at its finest and the OHSAA has taken a large step backward with competitive balance.
Did they give the runner-up trophy to Crestview?
Seems like Russia proved on the floor they were the second best team in D4 this year.
I have no idea, but I just found that odd.
They are favored to win state again next year, unless according to another poster in here some other team decides to work really hard and get better than them.
I can see 2, but 3! Wow.
dribbling right into the traps and then throwing the ball away. Were they bothered by the length of Richmond Heights? Sure, but don't compound the problem by doing exactly what they want you to do.Yeah. Because a team full of recruits can't make another team look bad. This makes complete sense.
Zero.
Ok. Tell that to the 48 straight schools that have lost to them straight and especially the 29 that played a team full of hand-picked recruits this year. This isn't a closed instance.
Convoy is a town of less than 1200. Most of the names are legacy names of 2-3 generations of parents that went to Crestview. A couple of the boys have brothers that played on the 2019 State Championship team. The way it’s done at RH isn’t the way it’s done in 99% of the other D4 schools.
There is a difference between small rural and small urban teams. There always has been and always will be. Heights has not broken any rules and is playing in the correct division. Just because people disagree does not make it wrong. You cannot have 25 divisions in an attempt to make everyone happy - because people will still complain. People want white rural divisions, small suburbs, lg suburbs, open enrollment, privates, teams that have been together from Jr High, teams with no transfers, etc - when will it end ? Unless the team you cheer for wins - there is something wrong with the system. LIFE IS NOT FAIR. There is only one team in each division that wins the final game. Until Richmond Heights breaks a rule it is what it is. I don't hear people complain like this when Versailles, Minter, ML and others beat the tar out of teams in football year in and year out. I'm sure the teams they are beating work hard and do two a days like every other team. Should those teams not move up ? I'm sure they would be competitive in upper divisions - they should challenge themselves. There is always a double standard it seems when a inner city team has sucess. I'm not saying there are racial undertones - but there is a double standard for whatever reason.
Unless you live in the city it's hard to explain to rural people how things like this happen. Families are always moving - for whatever reasons. Mostly it's financial, separation / divorce or just a chance to better themselves. Maybe a family has no chance to send their child to college - but they are good at basketball or football. That could be that kids only chance out. Inner city living is not easy for many. Many live at or below the poverty line. Everyone is entitled to living the best life possible. Right now Richmond Heights is attractive to many not only for basketball but for other reasons as well.
Unless you live in the city it's hard to explain to rural people how things like this happen. Families are always moving - for whatever reasons. Mostly it's financial, separation / divorce or just a chance to better themselves. Maybe a family has no chance to send their child to college - but they are good at basketball or football. That could be that kids only chance out. Inner city living is not easy for many. Many live at or below the poverty line. Everyone is entitled to living the best life possible. Right now Richmond Heights is attractive to many not only for basketball but for other reasons as well.
Stirred not Shaken
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Oh yeah than why in another thread did a poster point out how many students in RH's take advantage of ED choice and leave RH school district? Don't compare RH success to MAC schools it is not even comparable.
Because some people leave a bad situation and move to Richmond Heights. Some people choose to take the Ed-Choice money and apply it toward private education (or sports). When my son was at VASJ some of our best players resided in Richmond Heights.
Spartacus1987
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Honest question. Are they the best team Ohio has had since the Raymar Morgan Canton McKinley teams?
How is that any different than a private school?
Yappi
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I've always been for moving up a champion the following year from smaller divisions in every sport. I fully support no team winning a back-to-back championship in the same division except for DI in every sport. If you won DVII in football, you get moved up to DVI even if your team goes 0-10 that following year.
I also disagree with this statement: "Unless the team you cheer for wins - there is something wrong with the system."
I think the system is fundamentally broken when the champion of the smallest division is arguably the best team in the state in any sport.
cash randall
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Your clearly not a basketball person.
Basketball is really the only sport this is possible due to the size of the roster and how many players can play (5). You can get a few really good players and all of a sudden your pretty good.
Stirred not Shaken
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So if D7 team wins D6 they than go to D5 and if they win D5 they keep moving up till they lose a playoff game? That is just nuts. Or take a team such as New Bremen the Cards won D7 in 2020 but then lost in D7 playoffs the following year. I do agree the system is broken esp. in bball but it has to do with some teams recruiting not because a team is successful. I am all for rewarding success not punishing success as long as it is done the right way not through recruiting, some posters believe it is ok to recruit in HS sports I don't: that is where the system is broken.
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ShoelessJoe
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My complaint has always been schools being able to attract players from large population areas and playing in small school divisions. Here is my solution to solve this. If a player open enrolls in a school district they do not live in 20% of the enrollment of the district they live in will be added to the school they are attending for divisional assignment purposes. If an athlete moves into the school district after their 9th grade year, 20% is added for the first year then it is dropped. Each school would get a 1 person exemption of the first year 20% add on for basketball and other sports, and a 3 person exemption for football to account for legitimate move ins. A private school district would be defined as the area within a 5 mile radius of the school. For controlled enrollment schools life Africentric whose school district is defined as the whole city of Columbus they would add 20% of the enrollment of all Columbus City Schools to their actual enrollment. This would penalize public schools that attract a lot of open enrollment athletes and Private Schools that attract athletes from large population areas.
You cannot complain about the MAC schools in football because those kids actually attend the school system they live in and have lived in since pre-K, you cannot say that about Richmond Heights. By identifying who will be good in most AAU programs in the Cleveland area in MS you can get the kids to transfer/open enroll in before the 9th grade and only have to count them as a+1 in competitive balance. If they wait and transfer in after freshman year they count as +8, Richmond has found the loophole. Also you would think a school filled with talented athletes like them would be able to compete in something else (like the MAC does), but that's right, they only play basketball year round and are only there to play basketball. Remember about 5 years ago RH walked off the field at halftime of a conference football game against Kirtland because they were getting beat so bad, too bad none of the teams in the conference could reciprocate that in basketball since they opted out of league play
it is not, and that is the problem, I think we all have some issues with the way the OHSAA is set up to benefit the private schools, but now you have a public school who acts as if it a private school, they can monitor their enrollment, keep at what they want and take in whomever they want
Honest question for the RH supporters, do you think the kids on that team and even their coach, cared about winning the state title last weekend (I am sure winning was important, but really wasn't this just a warm up period for them to get ready for the spring and summer AAU tournaments?), or do they have their eyes on the AAU season beginning? I ask this because I think of the small school districts in D4 and D3 when they win, how big of an impact it has on their communities and even their surrounding communities, RH didn't have hardly anyone there at the state tournament to support them, I am sure most of these kids have larger crowds for their AAU events