The kids were plenty excited to win - that was the goal. Look at the attendance numbers for all the games - it was down. That is what happens when you move the tournament 4+ hours away from the Northern teams. NE Ohio won all 4 divisions - yet had the longest drive. The tournament should be in the middle of the state so the farthest teams all have an equal distance to drive. Also the amount of fans does not measure the excitement of the players. It is not some kind of secret that rural and private schools travel much better then urban schools. The size of the school does not lesson the accomplishment or excitement.
Convoy Crestview vs Richmond Heights Updates 3/18 (DIV Championship)
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I know the NWO area better than you think. The point still stands. Crestview was way better than Hicksville and Richmond Heights was way better than Crestview. They're all teenage boys in high school. It's astonishing that you're taking this so poorly.
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Because old people don't have kids nor do they attend high school.
Ed Choice according to a law suit against the state of Ohio for causing good students to leave the school.
The record is not in jeopardy. Richmond Heights will be an independent next year I think. This will allow them to eliminate many weak conference games and replace them with stronger high profile games. I expect them to play Ed's, Iggy, SVSM, etc.
Really haven't heard anyone say they are cheating. Quite the contrary, if they were cheating that would be easy to solve. Identify, report, investigate, rule on, that would be simple.
What I am largely against is the change of circumstances in society that is aiding in making the problem worse.
They played all those teams this year and beat them all ...
nupanther
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I gotta piggyback on this. Especially the second paragraph. These smaller remote rural areas just dont fully understand the transient population in these types of areas. People moving for a multitude of reasons. And when you live in a larger metro area you will have more people going herrcand there. Small towns will have the same last names for generations because of stability in their community.
I just googled Convoy Ohio and looked up the closet high school to Crestview. It was Van Wert at slightly less than 10 miles away.
I live in Youngstown and from my house there are 14 high schools from my driveway in a 10 mile radius. And im not including Pennsylvania. Point is when you have multiple options those options will be utilized.
Stirred not Shaken
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What a bunch of BS this is nothing more than an excuse to recruit, can't win with the local kids so recruit.
I agree with this. I also don’t like seeing the word ‘recruit’ bandied about like it is given there is ZERO evidence that the RH kids were somehow enticed to go there. If a bunch of kids from an area decide to go to the same school and they meet the residency requirements (or if their team pays the price with a higher CB number), I’m not sure what kind of restrictions can keep this from happening.
I also abhor the fact that it happens. I don’t get the allure of a bunch of studs going to a D4 school to dominate the lowest level of competition. I mean, i hope they enjoy their accomplishment, I guess, but I don’t see how it can be very fulfilling.
Not all of them..I'm sure now that the weak conference games are gone they will add some tough D1 and D2 schools as well as playing in some showcases. They will not go unbeaten next year during the regular season - but will run the table in the state tournament in D4 or D3.
People are jumping all over Richmond Heights saying they recruit and are somehow cheating the system - yet nobody is talking about Crestview. This team scored 6 points from the middle of the second quarter until the end of the game - and 3 of those points came off a 3pt heave to end the first half. Richmond Heights is good - but they are not unbeatable. Crestview made them look even better then they are and that has fanned the flames to this discussion. Cornerstone and Russia were also over matched - but they at least scored buckets. So before you lay all the blame on the lopsided game on the Spartans - look at what caused this blowout. Sure Heights forces errors and turnovers on defense - especially their full court press. But Crestview acted like this was the first time they ever saw a press. Sure there was a talent gap - that you cannot argue. But there was also a large coaching gap as well.
You will have people laughing at you for saying they looked unprepared for the press. But, they did.
Stirred not Shaken
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Going into the Finals, RH had a winning margin of 34 pts in the tourney including a 41 pt. win over Cornerstone. Russia was playing for their deceased HC. No Crestview never seen a press like RH's. Again, switch teams Crestview would have won just as easily maybe by not as much as Crestview would have likely pulled off the dogs sooner. Doug Etzler played at OSU, his dad was a very successful coach at Crestview for many years, LOL some Marion Local fans thought he out coached ML's coach.
Stirred not Shaken
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Can't prepare for a talent gap that big. Again, other than Russia nobody came close to RH's.
It’s the “salt-of-the-earth” line that does it for me
Last night UCLA went 11 and a half minutes without a field goal. Cost them the game ultimately, well that and a 35 ft three point shot with 7 seconds left.
You occasionally find teams get taken completely out of their rhythm and can not regroup. 2001 the Bethel vs Delphos St John's D4 title game was a one point game at the half and ended up being a second half blowout win by 30 plus.
I don't think 6 in a half is not too bad, I would like to see more scores like the Russia vs Jackson Center game where they keep the opponent in the teens or low 20's for the game. That is better basketball than these 60 point offensive explosions.
Can't win championships scoring in the 20's
So long as you score one more than the opponent you can.
When was the last time and how often have you seen a final score in the twenties? it's a different world now most kids don't have the discipline or patience to play that style of ball.
D4 regional final SW this year was in the low twenties, 27-25 if I recall correctly. Russia over Jackson Center.
The whole time while I was watching it on TV I was mentioning, you can't win a championship that way however, you validate my point neither team won the state championship. They both played not to lose. That style of play handicaps the kids Russia uncharacteristically missed at least 5 free throws in the 4th quarter so did JC and both teams played tight the whole second half.
Well, no, they were not going to beat RH with 20. I doubt you beat them with less than 70. But many of the other sweet 16 regional teams I believe could be in the 20's and win. The year my sons team made it to state they played in the 30's to 50's, but that was a very potent offense capable of hitting 80 with ease in the regular season.
Like I said, name the team and year that a team won a state championship scoring in the twenties? I don't care who's playing, sweet 16 is what it is, sweet 16, It's NOT THE STATE FINALS! YOU CAN'T FINESSE YOUR WAY TO A CHAMPIONSHIP playing not to lose! Some regions are weaker than others so you may be able to finesse your way out. Once you get to the Final Four you're gonna face a team that may force you to play out of your comfort zone.
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Bellpoint 24 Archbold 20 that's one of the first ones I recall being in the 20's In the championship game.
Grandpa told me about that one while we were sitting in a bar.