Zack you are starting to rub me the wrong way.
Convoy Crestview vs Richmond Heights Updates 3/18 (DIV Championship)
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Blue Jay Fan
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Where were they before 9th grade?
winbypin
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Who cares?
Blue Jay Fan
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Your response tells me all I need to know.
LOL I can understand to some degree people getting annoyed about transfers mid career, but the whole deal/obsession about where these kids played middle school and elementary is a bit much.
Unless you live in a small town in the middle of nowhere there is no way to know where all these players in Cuyahoga County played played in 8th grade or where they attended in 4th...and I would question the mental health if a local HS basketball fan knew where some RH or St Ed or even Mentor or Brush kid played 8th grade.
Where do people draw the line? Like if you move in 4th grade cool but 7th grade is shady?
They were at the schools that they and their parents wanted them to be at. Once high school came, they decided to attend Richmond Hts. They made the best decision for them
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If this response doen't end the thread, I don't know what will.
It's hard to explain to fans of rural schools what goes on in the urban landscape. Kids get moved around for many reasons - many are not basketball related. You have lots of single parents and other financial factors that usually play into reasons kids jump around. There is one thing however that all parents want no matter where they live - the best for themselves and their kids.
Yes , but the southern soldiers were where they wanted to be when the war between the states broke out. Doesn't make it right. Just because something is legal doesn't make it a good idea.
The question is how equitable are such decisions, not whether or not they have the autonomy to make them.
Blue Jay Fan
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What a coincidence that the best thing for so many very talented basketball players was for them to all go to Richmond Heights. What are the odds that all those great players would choose the exact same school. Amazing.
Blue Jay Fan
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They can go wherever they want but don't tell me they all didn't go to Richmond Heights to do anything other than to win a state title.
winbypin
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Seriously, so what? If it makes you feel better you can get an OHSAA book and put a little asterisk next to their name if that makes you feel better.
SeeYaSometime
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Availability and opportunity
Not only is this not the first time it has happened but I would contend it is happening with greater regularity and Ed Choice is just one more causative factor in normalizing such outcomes. I'm good with it though, once I accept that this is what the majority of people want. We as a general population want to see the strong talent pool that is pulled together. Guess I'm just a traditionalist.
Let me be the first to welcome the next wave of talent to small school basketball, wherever that is next year.
They didn't all go to RH to win a D4 state title. Do you really think an Ohio D4 state title is so prestigious that these kids are moving for it?
I mean seriously? I am trying to understand how people like you think but I there is absolutely no logic involved in your thought process.
Like "Hey mom/dad...can we move to or can I go RH? I think we can form a Ohio D4 dynasty and change our lives !!!" LMAO.
We aren't talking an Olympic gold medal or an NCAA title people..we are talking a Ohio D4 state title.
Cute theory though..I definitely give credit to that.
I don't think it's coincidence at all don't be silly. Common sense tells me the AD/coach they hired has a lot to do with their basketball success. Hiring the right people is huge!!
eastisbest
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I would counter you're ignoring that these things aren't random people saying "Hey mom/dad...can we move to or can I go RH? I think we can form a Ohio D4 dynasty and change our lives !!!" They are organized to happen.
I'm not making a claim one way of the other on RH but as I would say to an open vouchered private, "be humble." You shouldn't need anyone else to proclaim you "king."
There it is, finally someone said it, they don't care about winning state at Richmond Heights, this is practice for their AAU season. Where as small towns can change with their school winning a D4 state title. I am sure Legacy Village was real pumped to have you come to the cheesecake factory to celebrate that exhibition season title! All kidding aside I am sure the kids did enjoy the title, and to be honest it isn't the kids fault for winning it. The OHSAA is to blame as this has been going on and they turn a blind eye, with the putrid attendance this may change but I doubt it.
These kids simply say "hey mom/dad can I go play at Richmond, my buddies from my AAU team are all transferring there. They have a coach that is a cool AAU guy that coached some big names when he was the All Oho Red coach in Columbus! this would be great practice before I go play AAU this spring!"
I guess the part that kills me the most is with something like this it just kills the school pride thing. You think these kids that play for Richmond Heights care they won a title with Richmond on their chest? My guess is they could care less if it said All Ohio Red, King James Shooting stars, NEO, Smack, or some other random team, they are playing with their buddies who all "moved" to the same school and won a title. They are playing for the name on the back and not the name on the front. Whereas there are some schools out there who still try and win with homegrown kids, that is where the "where were they prior to 9th grade argument comes in and why people ask it, because you are not winning with homegrown kids, you are winning with developed elsewhere kids
First off, I honestly don't know the biographies of RH extensively. Maybe someone closer to the program does. I am not a RH fan just a NE Ohio HS and OSU fan.
From what I have picked up on..a fee kids have transferred there mid HS career. I know the Harris kid from Glen Oak did several years ago. They got a couple transfers in this season.
One starter I am pretty sure played middle school in inner city Cleveland. The others I have no clue other than they have been at RH since 9th. One starter it seems father is the girls coach at Brush and was girls coach at RH so he comes from a basketball family.
I do not believe all these kids play for the same AAU program. The ONLY player I have seen on All Ohio Red tweets is Dorian Jones.AOR gets players from all across the state to fill out their roster..they are Nike EYBL. I believe Josiah Harris was AOR too..there may be more AOR in RH roster or not. I don't see how all these players could be from the same AAU program as there are limits.
In my experience parents and kids get a feel for the situation. Generally speaking I think the main motivation is a college scholarship and dream of pro career. It all starts there. I think free college and dreams of NBA is more motivation to these families than hoisting a D4 trophy in Dayton and a parade down Richmond Rd. Also if you live in the hood and/or your local basketball team/coach sucks you probably as a family want to find a better school to play for than the local one.
Another factor is if said family was be comfortable in a private school environment, and if so which one, and is it a affordable to go private. Distance from home.
Choosing a high school is often likchoosing a college for people in urban environments and maybe it isn't that way in rural places I guess.
I don't have a child but if I did and he had a passion and talent for sports once he gets to middle school I would be thinking if my local high school is a good choice or environment. Same with if he had talent in science or music. The motivation would not be a state championship it would be opportunity for my child.
I mean if the local public can provide what I want for my child and what my child needs then great. If not we can find ourselves the best opportunity around. I don't need to be recruited I know all about St Ed, SVSM, LE, Ignatius, RH.
So again, the main reason to go to RH would be to go as far in life as you can with basketball and play for a good program with a reputable coach...not the AAU buddy or D4 title aspect.
But that's just me.
EDITED to add...again as I said it would be impossible to know where the roster or St Ed, SVSM, RH, Lutheran East or even publics like Brush or Mentor went to middle or elementary school so I honestly don't worry about it or even care. It also seems silly. I just assume no Cuyahoga County team is homegrown like a MAC team and would never expect it to be.
That's not even factoring in if Moeller or Pickerington Central or Centerville are all homegrown. Who has time to keep up or care?
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Is it any less of an accomplishment if a town let's say a town like Marion Local for example, wins it and they "recruited"?
You are making an assumption that the kids don't care. You have zero proof to make that accusation. Those kids were plenty happy to win a state championship. Remember all these kids are not allowed to play on the same AAU team. There are way to many people on here that post whatever they want so long as it fits their narrative. People are saying these kids all moved to RH just to win a D4 title and that they don't care like the rural kids do - that is BS. NE Ohio is cluttered with poor public school systems and poor sports programs. These kids have a opportunity to attend a new high school and play for a high level team - they just happen to be in D4. Having seen this team play a few times this year I can tell you they were as happy to win D4 as they would have been if they win D1.
In my eyes, absolutely.
What constitutes "recruiting" to you? Does it matter to you who initiates the process (coach vs family)
Also is there a time in life where if a kid changes schools it isn't "recruiting"?
Meaning of kids move to RH or go to a Catholic school in 5th grade or 7th grade would you look at it differently than if you find out a player showed up to RH or SVSM in 9th.
Obviously SVSM is HS only but hypothetically if a parent pulled his kid from public and put him in Catholic middle in 7th is it more "respectable" to the rural D4 fans?
Definitely is from where I come from. I was a huge D4 Tipp City Bethel fan for a few years from 1999-2002. No coincidence those were the Matt Witt years, and they made it to Regional finals in 2000 only to lose to St Henery because St Henery hit 19 threes if memory serves.
So the next year there was talk about one of Witts AAU buddies joining the team from Clark County Southeastern (Brian Cooper) to help get them over the top and win a state title as 4 of the starters were returning. I remember well how differently fans percieved that notion. I strongly opposed it as I believed with an additional year of experience, that group could win it themselves. It would "cheapen " the accomplishment to bring in a ringer.
As it turned out, Brian decided to stay put, and Bethel with their five home grown starters decisively won the title. So that felt amazing getting over the hump, with community kids. I had waited 23 years to see that happen as in 1978 Bethel lost the state class A title game to a private school power named Mansfield St Peter's.
So clearly from where I stand, you lose community support as soon as you begin losing the feel of a community team.
I don’t like using the word ‘recruiting’ because it implies enticement, and I have no idea whether or not that actually occurred. But yes, if a bunch of ringers came to ML for whatever reason I’d lose interest in a hurry.
We get open enrollment kids at a decent rate, but with a small school you pretty much know the reasons because everyone knows everyone else. The OE kids that we get are coming because their parents went here and they live just over the district line, or they live in another district but are actually closer to ML then their ‘true’ school.
Different world now. Tri-Village in little old New Madison has recruited for years they've dominated they're conference for years, have won state and their D4, JS.