What year?
Convoy Crestview vs Richmond Heights Updates 3/18 (DIV Championship)
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Well if that matters, 1923 I believe.
That's what I thought, you have no clue. I'll help you. In 1923 there was no Division 4 there was only Class A and B and the actual teams were for what I assume was the smaller Class B division, were Bellpoint and Pittsburg and the score was 16-15 Pittsburg but at least you got one of the schools right. And for argument sake it does matter my whole point was/is you can't win a state championship scoring in the twenties and 100 years ago doesn't count!
Grandpa says " can too". I don't know which one of you to believe, but sense Grandpa says I'm pretty sharp I am going with him. He says you can still win by scoring 25 if you only allow 24. I've double checked his math and I really think he is correct.?
You made it very clear with your rebuttal you don't understand what it is like living in a urban area at all lmao. As a parent you are supposed to help find the best opportunity for your child.
You don't have to recruit...as a parent I will find the best opportunities.
You can schedule up during the regular season. RH plays a very tough schedule. Maybe Crestview could schedule like SVSM or Ed's or Lutheran East regular season.
Great point. Every athletic director is more than willing to schedule a home and home series over two years with a team two or three hours away that your team will put a running clock on.
Such games are not going to happen in the regular season. Sure those teams will schedule RH. Not because they are D4, but because they are one of the best in the state. Crestview is a great basketball community, but at the end of the day they are rural and not of interest to the urban powerhouses of the northeast.
Many D4 schools have a population in their villages of 1200-1500. It seems like having a population of 10,000 would provide more then 750 kids in a school system.
Irish60
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This isn't so easy as you think for many more rural schools. It's much easier for Richmond Heights because in a large urban area they can go play St. Ed's or St. Ignatius or Solon or Cleveland Heights, whoever, within a very short drive. It's only an hour or less to bring games against Summit County or even Stark County opponents into play. For a small rural schools, surrounded by other small rural schools, the geography just doesn't work when you are talking about making up a realistic schedule; especially for weekday games. That's why I've supported the idea of basing a school's division based on a combination of the size of the school AND the size of the schools they compete against. If Richmond Heights (or any smaller urban school) plays, on average, mainly D2 schools during the regular season, then they should be play at the same level for playoff purposes. A system like this wouldn't "punish" teams for success. It wouldn't punish the players by keeping them out of the playoffs. And it wouldn't be overly burdensome for OHSAA to implement because the main metric would be enrollment; which they already rely on.
Get in the bus and travel to where the good teams are. There is no excuse for not playing a Friday or Saturday game against a good team that you need to drive a bit to get to. The only way to get better is to play the best teams you can. You cannot play a bunch of teams like yourself and then complain when you run into a team much better.
Got the info straight off the OHSAA website for 1923. 24 I saw Bellpoint and Archbold you sir are correct!
Well no disrespect to "Grandpa" but winning a championship hasn't happened in 100 seasons and probably won't either.
I looked at Crestview's schedule. You are telling me they can't get on a bus for a weekend tournament or Flying to the Hoop or the Sullinger classic. Sounds like excuses.
All the head to head match-up I see during the season..Cleveland teams travel to Columbus, Moeller plays SVSM... Centerville played PC come on now.
You can't convince me if Crestview had a legit D4 title contender going into the season they couldn't have scheduled 2 to 4 D1 or D2 state powers over the course of the season. Even a couple. There are too many independent teams like SVSM or Moeller or Dayton CJ or Lutheran East that they couldn't have played 1 or 2.
Thank you!! Nothing but excuses. Too many private school powers that have independent schedules and too many weekend tournaments and holiday events that Crestview couldn't have found a couple of tougher opponents than what I see on MaxPreps for them.
Crestview won a state title in 2019 without busing all over the state. Marion Local did the same thing in 2018.
Oh, wait. Crestview did play at Flying to the Hoop in 2019. They played the known power program Minster, lol.
Teams like ML and Crestview play their conference schedule and traditional neighboring rivals. Get out of here with that scheduling D1 and D2 powers crap. Getting destroyed by all the big time powers in the state wouldn’t have made them beat Richmond Heights.
One other thing I would like to bring up, and it had been mentioned before..I don't know how many of you actually have ever visited or even been to RH, but it isn't all like some urban inner ring waste land. There are some very nice properties and developments in RH. Planned communities etc.
I don't want to put out people's business but I do landscaping. I have contracts with a couple houses in the 300-500K range...and in thr development around the corner there are a couple of local relatively known NE Ohio varsity coaches living next door to each other (or a home in between) , one who made the NBA and coaches another inner ring suburban NE Ohio team currently (my alma mater) and the other who coaches a very, very well known inner city Cleveland state champion football program whose son played in the NFL for years owns a home their and their houses are not cheap at all.
So RH is not all poor rentals at all...and speak to a point I made before..if I am an inner city Cleveland kid who doesn't want to go to Cleveland public Richmond Hts is an excellent choice..safer environment, new campus and program reputation. You don't have to recruit me lol it's a perfect situation for an east side basketball talent from a bad area who may not want to go private.
EDIT- also my alma mater lost a transfer directly to RH this year. happens..more power to him. My team has benefitted and lost out to transfers. Probably more kids in and out than RH. It is what it is. Not gonna cry and whine about it.
I don't want to put out people's business but I do landscaping. I have contracts with a couple houses in the 300-500K range...and in thr development around the corner there are a couple of local relatively known NE Ohio varsity coaches living next door to each other (or a home in between) , one who made the NBA and coaches another inner ring suburban NE Ohio team currently (my alma mater) and the other who coaches a very, very well known inner city Cleveland state champion football program whose son played in the NFL for years owns a home their and their houses are not cheap at all.
So RH is not all poor rentals at all...and speak to a point I made before..if I am an inner city Cleveland kid who doesn't want to go to Cleveland public Richmond Hts is an excellent choice..safer environment, new campus and program reputation. You don't have to recruit me lol it's a perfect situation for an east side basketball talent from a bad area who may not want to go private.
EDIT- also my alma mater lost a transfer directly to RH this year. happens..more power to him. My team has benefitted and lost out to transfers. Probably more kids in and out than RH. It is what it is. Not gonna cry and whine about it.
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I have seen this first hand. When my son was at VASJ it was pretty common that we played one of, if not the toughest schedule in Ohio. Did we want to go unbeaten - absolutely. Did we - no. We did however learn more from our losses then we did our wins. Steel sharpens Steel. I remember VASJ destroyed Dalton in the district semi finals. That was supposedly Daltons best team in a long time. After losing by 30+ they asked to play VASJ the following season in the regular season - on the road. They ended losing by even more. The coach however said that by playing VASJ those two years helped them prepare for what they might end up facing come playoff time.
Gaudy records don't mean a thing if your never challenged. If you have legit championship goals - you have to play the best teams you can. There are great teams always looking to fill schedule spots. Unlike football every team makes the playoffs - that makes the regular season with the exception of conference games worthless. You need to use those games to get better and challenge yourself.
Gaudy records don't mean a thing if your never challenged. If you have legit championship goals - you have to play the best teams you can. There are great teams always looking to fill schedule spots. Unlike football every team makes the playoffs - that makes the regular season with the exception of conference games worthless. You need to use those games to get better and challenge yourself.
Ya think Richmond Heights or those great VASJ teams would be up for a home and home with a D4 school in western Ohio?
Yes if that team was highly ranked. VASJ was D4 and D3 and had a scheduled loaded with D1 teams. Maybe those teams will not come to you - but I'm sure those Western Ohio teams have buses that are capable of taking them to where the good teams are.
theterribletowel
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Maybe Vanlue or Ridgemont can get a home and home with St. Ed's and Iggy. I realize they will probably lose but man will they be prepared for the speed and size of the d4 tournament.
Arcy26
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Thank you! as someone that has been through there all my life It’s way different then people describe it
Nah, it’s alright. If they won’t come to us we’ll just continue to play local rivals who’ll help fill our gyms. I mean, it prepared ML well enough to upend your favorites from Cornerstone Christian a few years ago.
Blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile.
Exactly! So stop acting like those schools are at some insurmountable disadvantage.
Took a bit for the irony of your comment to hit home.
That's exactly what's wrong with the picture when that's what it takes to prepare for the D4 tournament.
Uh, I’m not?
theterribletowel
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As long as you stop acting like Richmond Heights winning the smallest division of Ohio hs bb is any kind of accomplishment
Clearly not in the eyes of most small school fans.
They should have won state with little problem, and other than a great fight put up by Russia, they did simply what was expected.
A great accomplishment is like what Marion Local did to Cornerstone. Most unlikely state champions of all time, that's a great accomplishment.
theterribletowel
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When your league is voting to allow you to play an independent schedule and no player on the roster played four years in your school system you have to do more than win in the smallest division for it to mean anything. Some schools in Toledo, Columbus, Dayton or Cincy will copy your model in the future then the path will be more impressive.