Colerain Going Forward

Colerain since Bolden left:
2019: 11-2 (lost to Elder by 7 in region 4 finals)
2020: 6-3 (lost to Lakota West in third round of playoffs)
2021: 5-6 (lost to Elder in 3OT in first round of playoffs)
2022: 4-7 (lost to Mason in first round of playoffs)
2023: 0-10
2024: 0-10

26-28 overall in the past 6 seasons. According to Fantastic50.net, the Cardinals are on a 22 game losing streak. Between 2005 and 2011, Colerain had a 34 game home winning streak.
What exactly is your point here? They are done...toast...they aren't being resurrected. This isn't some blip in the radar because they went to state in 2018.

The party is over at Colerain unless a miracle happens.
 
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Which again is exactly the point, you don't need to water down a league with additional teams who are average or below average at just about everything, especially when it can be easily argued that 10 teams in a league is too many when you look at how the rest of the state operates. Several schools are exceptional at multiple things, and while it's certainly fair to say not many are great across the board, there's a difference between that and someone who provides nothing but additional meh games forced on the schedule.

Kids and parents alike enjoy the idea of playing different OOC games and getting to see different places. Sure, some conference rivalries are fun too, but the GMC is just way too overdone. Could probably have a similar conversation about ECC once the novelty of that new league wears off and the schools get familiar with each other.
Use these visual aids to explain how you picked Oak Hills. Should be interesting.
 

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Use these visual aids to explain how you picked Oak Hills. Should be interesting.
He won't acknowledge it. It's exactly as everyone but him has described, as usual.

And looking at those standings, how in the world does Sycamore football get a pass every year? Do people just not care about football there? They should not be this bad. Their athletes have access to anything and everything they want.

I'm not saying they are ever going to be regional contenders, but the last 5 years have been abysmal.
 
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There's also no need to play 9 conference games every year. It makes no sense.
It makes perfect sense for Athletic Directors.
They're not "stealing" a spot from someone else. It's ridiculous to think $10k per year is going to land good coaches, when sports across the board are a crucial piece of a school's marketing, fundraising and student development.
Then where did the money come from? Every public school that I know of requires every position to be opened up to first the current staff, then the entire public. It goes against every board policy to just create and reserve a job for someone. It goes against ODE to have administrators in active roles without proper licensure.
You honestly don't think sports are educational?

It's not up to one person to determine what's most important for another person. Sports, in a lot of cases, do more for kids than school ever will.
I never said sports are not educational. I said they are not a part of the curriculum. They are in addition to the curriculum. What is this about 1 person determining what's most important for another person? I don't get what that is referring to, but this does indeed happen in all aspects of life. I do disagree wholeheartedly with your notion that sports do more for kids than school ever will.
That's what stellar coaches do. You have to build a TEAM.

Outside of Bolden, what coach stands out in Cincinnati football from the public schools over the last 20 years? I can't think of one.
I don't think many coaches are building teams anymore, but simply assembling them with transfers, especially at the D1-D2 levels. I would go with Aaron Hancock at Wyoming and Dan McSurley at Clinton Massie definitely come to mind for their success. You also have Parker and Murphy that have had some solid success too.
 
He won't acknowledge it. It's exactly as everyone but him has described, as usual.

And looking at those standings, how in the world does Sycamore football get a pass every year? Do people just not care about football there? They should not be this bad. Their athletes have access to anything and everything they want.

I'm not saying they are every going to be regional contenders, but the last 5 years have been abysmal.
Maybe they are just going to let Dattilo retire?? He's got to be close.
 
It makes perfect sense for Athletic Directors.

Then where did the money come from? Every public school that I know of requires every position to be opened up to first the current staff, then the entire public. It goes against every board policy to just create and reserve a job for someone. It goes against ODE to have administrators in active roles without proper licensure.

I never said sports are not educational. I said they are not a part of the curriculum. They are in addition to the curriculum. What is this about 1 person determining what's most important for another person? I don't get what that is referring to, but this does indeed happen in all aspects of life. I do disagree wholeheartedly with your notion that sports do more for kids than school ever will.

I don't think many coaches are building teams anymore, but simply assembling them with transfers, especially at the D1-D2 levels. I would go with Aaron Hancock at Wyoming and Dan McSurley at Clinton Massie definitely come to mind for their success. You also have Parker and Murphy that have had some solid success too.
ADs shouldn't be arranging conferences to ensure their jobs are easier. It's not about them. If everyone in the city played well in the sand together like adults, scheduling wouldn't be an issue. It's become a d**k measuring contest.

Welcome to the real world. Rules are skirted all the time for certain people. At least football brings in revenue.

I said sports do more for some kids. Everyone's path is different. Just because society has said "school is more important than sports" doesn't make that true for everyone, especially for minorities that use sports to keep them active, healthy, engaged in school and out of trouble. Alot of kids are lucky to even have a ride to school. Especially in Cincy public.
 
It makes perfect sense for Athletic Directors.

Then where did the money come from? Every public school that I know of requires every position to be opened up to first the current staff, then the entire public. It goes against every board policy to just create and reserve a job for someone. It goes against ODE to have administrators in active roles without proper licensure.

I never said sports are not educational. I said they are not a part of the curriculum. They are in addition to the curriculum. What is this about 1 person determining what's most important for another person? I don't get what that is referring to, but this does indeed happen in all aspects of life. I do disagree wholeheartedly with your notion that sports do more for kids than school ever will.

I don't think many coaches are building teams anymore, but simply assembling them with transfers, especially at the D1-D2 levels. I would go with Aaron Hancock at Wyoming and Dan McSurley at Clinton Massie definitely come to mind for their success. You also have Parker and Murphy that have had some solid success too.
One point… when I was involved the extracurricular positions had to be offered first to ANY public school credentialed employees. No required preference was given to the home district employees. That may have changed.
 
Maybe Krause will be looking for a job?
Its MUCH BIGGER than just a head coach... We are talking the GMC...
You need to attract and pay the other needed coaches to compete. Coaching now has a much bigger investment just to be able to coach than they did 10 years ago…

Another BIG area CHS is lacking is the number of student athletes or families willing to get private instruction or play on high level summer teams to get better. Heck like others have stated...The little CARDS program is not even close to what it was 10 years ago....

With that said...The area families that can send their kids to private is growing.
 
ADs shouldn't be arranging conferences to ensure their jobs are easier
Why not? So, they should spend more money in labor and transportation costs to play different teams? Again, public schools all have budget issues and should be good stewards of their tax-dollars. There's nothing wrong with how the GMC schedules, except some people want them to play some different schools.

There are far too many people that don't understand the logistics in scheduling high school sports. The conference scheduling that the GMC and ECC use cut down on countless hours of labor. This is very positive for the schools as a whole.
 
Welcome to the real world. Rules are skirted all the time for certain people. At least football brings in revenue.
Why have the rule then? If it's not going to be enforced, there is no rule.
said sports do more for some kids. Everyone's path is different. Just because society has said "school is more important than sports" doesn't make that true for everyone, especially for minorities that use sports to keep them active, healthy, engaged in school and out of trouble. Alot of kids are lucky to even have a ride to school. Especially in Cincy public.
Wow, racist much??? These sports wouldn't be around without schools, especially football. It's too expensive. And your comment about "especially minorities" and kids getting rides to school is so far from the truth. CPS kids get yellow bus service and high schoolers all get free metro, so who doesn't have a ride to school? I agree with a lot of what you say, but this entire paragraph is way off base and nowhere near reality.
 
Use these visual aids to explain how you picked Oak Hills. Should be interesting.

Thanks, your visual aides re-enforce the reason I've already mentioned. Oak Hills is a middling school in basically everything that no one cares about playing and never should have been let in the GMC in the first place. Moving to 10 schools was a bad move for the GMC, continues to be. The original schools who were there, who have much longer history and more potential to be good in big sports again like football and basketball (like Middletown and Hamilton) do not deserve to be kicked out first.
 
I personally think if the GMC kicks anyone out, Middletown should be the first one gone. I know Middletown is a founding member but they aren’t competitive In much of anything. Swap them and Centerville out. I think Lakota East, Lakota West, Mason and Centerville should be in a conference together. It makes sense to me. Springboro and Lebanon would fit with those 4 great too as they are both becoming quite big themselves, but Lebanon isn’t leaving the ECC.
 
The GMC badly needs to restructure and either drop Colerain and Oak Hills, who are boat anchors in most sports, or add 2 teams and go to 6 team divisions. In COH, the OCC has multiple 6 team divisions (a few 8) and this provides a far more common sense approach to consistent scheduling.

It's hard enough to maintain reasonable parity in a 6 team league, let alone a 10 teamer, but at least with 6 it opens up the scheduling for ADs to find OOC matches against schools that better fit them. The GMC is at a tremendous disadvantage especially in football, both for how seeding is currently done and for the quality of product they put out there for their fans, because of their 10 team league and insistence that all teams play each other. Having only 1 OOC game is laughable stupidity.
I can't believe I am saying this, but I actually agree with your point on the GMC being at a disadvantage due to seeding.
 
Bolden makes over 105k a year at Lakota West. You are saying he is bringing in over 1 million dollars??? Get a clue.
Bolden promotes the district in a positive outlook , and you can't put a price on that. When football wins, the school and district win. And if you do not think having a strong football/athletic program helps promote a levy passing, you would be mistaken. It absolutely helps. So yes, Bolden technically has the power to bring in millions of dollars.

I think the huge lesson in Colerain and it's struggles that are key to remember are the following:

1. It takes YEARS of HARD WORK and SACRAFICE by a coach and staff /community to build a program (Coombs built Colerain from the ground up).

2. It takes even more hard work and more years to MAINTAIN a program that is on top and winning at a high level (Bolden did this and he did an amazing job).

3. It only takes one to two short years for a program that is rich in tradition to lose its foundation and crumble.
 
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Thanks, your visual aides re-enforce the reason I've already mentioned. Oak Hills is a middling school in basically everything that no one cares about playing and never should have been let in the GMC in the first place. Moving to 10 schools was a bad move for the GMC, continues to be. The original schools who were there, who have much longer history and more potential to be good in big sports again like football and basketball (like Middletown and Hamilton) do not deserve to be kicked out first.
“boat anchors in most sports”
Changing your tune now? Which is it? Boat anchors or middling? So, the real boat anchors don’t deserve to be kicked out? Your opinions have no basis in facts. Zero credibility.
 
Bolden promotes the district in a positive outlook , and you can't put a price on that. When football wins, the school and district win. And if you do not think having a strong football/athletic program helps promote a levy passing, you would be mistaken. It absolutely helps. So yes, Bolden technically has the power to bring in millions of dollars.
By this logic alone, Colerain would have a long history of easily passing levies. But they have a history of defeating them. As a result they have quite literally crumbling buildings, declining enrollment, and a revolving door of staff members.
I think the huge lesson in Colerain and it's struggles that are key to remember are the following:

1. It takes YEARS of HARD WORK and SACRAFICE by a coach and staff /community to build a program (Coombs built Colerain from the ground up).
Not anymore it doesn't. Just get in a bunch of transfers and turn your entire program around in a year. Rinse and repeat. Bolden did that at West. It didn't take years of hard work and sacrifice by the coaching staff and community. It took some transfers coming in and changing their trajectory.
 
I know the Ohio Facilities Construction Commission has a program for the construction of K-12 school buildings. I also know they have some kind of ranking system and when a school district's turn comes up for aid it has a certain period of time (maybe a year) to raise its local match.
I presume that the Northwest Local School District's turn hasn't come up yet, but when it does, given what I've read here (and other places), it seems that would make the most sense for them to build one new high school and merge Colerain and Northwest. Of course, I could be wrong about this.
When faced with all the numbers in black and white, would the voters support this? I realize people have strong feelings about their local high schools, but if it ultimately would benefit the kids, I would hope that people would approve (assuming that one high school for the district housed in a new building would make the most sense).
 
Colerain since Bolden left:
2019: 11-2 (lost to Elder by 7 in region 4 finals)
2020: 6-3 (lost to Lakota West in third round of playoffs)
2021: 5-6 (lost to Elder in 3OT in first round of playoffs)
2022: 4-7 (lost to Mason in first round of playoffs)
2023: 0-10
2024: 0-10

26-28 overall in the past 6 seasons. According to Fantastic50.net, the Cardinals are on a 22 game losing streak. Between 2005 and 2011, Colerain had a 34 game home winning streak.
thats crazy how quickly it went in the wrong direction once Bolden left. I knew Huber WAY before he was the Head Football coach , dude is an AWESOME person. there is NO WAY someone can put all of this on him for that quickly of a decline.
 
By this logic alone, Colerain would have a long history of easily passing levies. But they have a history of defeating them. As a result they have quite literally crumbling buildings, declining enrollment, and a revolving door of staff members.

Not anymore it doesn't. Just get in a bunch of transfers and turn your entire program around in a year. Rinse and repeat. Bolden did that at West. It didn't take years of hard work and sacrifice by the coaching staff and community. It took some transfers coming in and changing their trajectory.
BUILD it, they will come.
 
I know the Ohio Facilities Construction Commission has a program for the construction of K-12 school buildings. I also know they have some kind of ranking system and when a school district's turn comes up for aid it has a certain period of time (maybe a year) to raise its local match.
I presume that the Northwest Local School District's turn hasn't come up yet, but when it does, given what I've read here (and other places), it seems that would make the most sense for them to build one new high school and merge Colerain and Northwest. Of course, I could be wrong about this.
When faced with all the numbers in black and white, would the voters support this? I realize people have strong feelings about their local high schools, but if it ultimately would benefit the kids, I would hope that people would approve (assuming that one high school for the district housed in a new building would make the most sense).
The percentage of construction provided by the state is based on the total property value of the district. With all the commercial property in that district I doubt they will qualify for a very large percentage.
 
Can't forget the 14% the district is required to toss in to STRS and the cost of other benefits like health insurance, etc.

I wonder how the other people who applied for those open positions felt when they found out the district posted a made up job opening to pay a full time administrator salary to the football coach. Or how the people who worked extra to get a masters degree or principal/administrators' certificate felt when the new football coach started at the same salary they had to work extra for.

Again, this is not a knock on Lakota West or its district leadership. I have a feeling most large suburban districts around the state are doing similar things with their coaches, but I'm very surprised no one in the media has ever asked any questions about these situations.
This ultimately happened to Coach Minton at Wayne. People in the community started complaining about his "salary", and it ultimately led to him resigning. You get what you pay for with these elite coaches. Incredible culture, phenomenal results, and a significant revenue boost to not only the school, but to local businesses.
 
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