Colerain Going Forward

SprintDraw said:
If they are irritated by that … then they should push to put themselves in a position to get a gig like that. The man is great at what he does and is being rewarded for it. Sorry to all that are offended , irritated or don’t like it.
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Not all people aspire to be a head football/basketball coach. I am not offended or irritated, just stated facts about these arbitrary positions.

None of my comments were directly directed to Bolden. By all means, if he is great with the kids at Lakota West and is an asset to the school district outside of being a good football coach, then so be it.

It is not the coaches' fault that they get what they can; it has more to do with how the administration in some districts approach to these job titles, etc.
 
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Leaving the GMC because of a few bad seasons would be short sighted IMO. We had this same discussion about Princeton leaving the GMC in when they had 1 winning season from 2012-2018. Now they are a top 5 team in the region and won the GMC back to back years. If Colerain can keep all the Colerain kids in Colerain, and combine with Northwest, they'll have some talented classes come through and be competitive again. May not get back to 20 consecutive GMC championships good, but will have competitive seasons. No reason to leave a strong conference because of some bad years. Admins need to invest in athletics, get the right coaches in there and get to work. The talent will come back around at some point.
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The NWLSD district is having a meeting November 14th to discuss athletic programs at both NW and CHS. Who knows what will come of it.

There is a BIG difference between a few bad years to noncompetitive in the league. Over the past 10 years in most sports CHS struggles to Get Ws in the GMC. With football now getting smoked going 4-24 in the GMC over the last three years. With a 21 game GMC losing streak...
The last two years the D that was a CHS strong point gave up 600 points30 PPG while the Offence only mustered 160Points or, 8 PPG. In any other league they have a shot to be .500 or better in most sports.

Going forward, CHS needs to NOT schedule GCL week one in football in hopes to get a team they can hang with and not go 0-10 for three straight years. In 5-10 years when the program comes back around maybe, but scheduling GCL week one is a guarenteed L at this point.

This year Sycamore Football was about as weak as a team could get giving up record points…CHS could only muster one score on them. Sycamore in other sports this fall did well unlike CHS....

This has not been a good Fall for CHS in all fall sports. Combined they only collected 6 wins in the GMC and finishing at the bottom in CC a sport at one time CHS did well in. Golf was also a struggle this year.
The winter sports last year finished in the bottom with several sports going winless in the GMC. I do not see this winter being much different. The spring last year was the same. Add in CHS does not field programs in several GMC sports they will be at the bottom of the league for a while.
 
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Public Schools are predominately ran by Progressive Dumb Democrats! They pick and choose what Rules/Policies they want to follow. Cincifbfan knows this. Trey definitely a whack job but just because he said many Black kids don't have a way to School doesn't make him Racist. Hell there a lady in the City that wants to feed kids at the bus stop because she swears that will stop them from raising hell and breaking the law. Colerain Sucks at Everything and Always will as long as the District has 2 HS being run by Dumb Democrats and Teachers Union whackos
 
HSFB Fan said:
The NWLSD district is having a meeting November 14th to discuss athletic programs at both NW and CHS. Who knows what will come of it.

There is a BIG difference between a few bad years to noncompetitive in the league. Over the past 10 years in most sports CHS struggles to Get Ws in the GMC. With football now getting smoked going 4-24 in the GMC over the last three years. With a 21 game GMC losing streak...
The last two years the D that was a CHS strong point gave up 600 points30 PPG while the Offence only mustered 160Points or, 8 PPG. In any other league they have a shot to be .500 or better in most sports.

Going forward, CHS needs to NOT schedule GCL week one in football in hopes to get a team they can hang with and not go 0-10 for three straight years. In 5-10 years when the program comes back around maybe, but scheduling GCL week one is a guarenteed L at this point.

This year Sycamore Football was about as weak as a team could get giving up record points…CHS could only muster one score on them. Sycamore in other sports this fall did well unlike CHS....

This has not been a good Fall for CHS in all fall sports. Combined they only collected 6 wins in the GMC and finishing at the bottom in CC a sport at one time CHS did well in. Golf was also a struggle this year.
The winter sports last year finished in the bottom with several sports going winless in the GMC. I do not see this winter being much different. The spring last year was the same. Add in CHS does not field programs in several GMC sports they will be at the bottom of the league for a while.
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Strictly from a sports perspective, I don't see how merging schools will change any of this.
 
GLAT said:
Strictly from a sports perspective, I don't see how merging schools will change any of this.
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Enrollment…. Agreed neither school has a lot of top talent walking the halls or parents that can afford private training or to place their students on quality summer programs but…Having additional good talent with quality coaches can have a positive impact and help be competitive. Maybe not championship level but at least .500 in all programs.
 
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HSFB Fan said:
The NWLSD district is having a meeting November 14th to discuss athletic programs at both NW and CHS. Who knows what will come of it.

There is a BIG difference between a few bad years to noncompetitive in the league. Over the past 10 years in most sports CHS struggles to Get Ws in the GMC. With football now getting smoked going 4-24 in the GMC over the last three years. With a 21 game GMC losing streak...
The last two years the D that was a CHS strong point gave up 600 points30 PPG while the Offence only mustered 160Points or, 8 PPG. In any other league they have a shot to be .500 or better in most sports.

Going forward, CHS needs to NOT schedule GCL week one in football in hopes to get a team they can hang with and not go 0-10 for three straight years. In 5-10 years when the program comes back around maybe, but scheduling GCL week one is a guarenteed L at this point.

This year Sycamore Football was about as weak as a team could get giving up record points…CHS could only muster one score on them. Sycamore in other sports this fall did well unlike CHS....

This has not been a good Fall for CHS in all fall sports. Combined they only collected 6 wins in the GMC and finishing at the bottom in CC a sport at one time CHS did well in. Golf was also a struggle this year.
The winter sports last year finished in the bottom with several sports going winless in the GMC. I do not see this winter being much different. The spring last year was the same. Add in CHS does not field programs in several GMC sports they will be at the bottom of the league for a while.
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Definitely need to get away from the GCL for a little bit and schedule some winnable games. i.e. Oak Hills scheduling Turpin.

I know we keep saying CHS needs a young guy who is likely an alum that was there in the glory days. I'm curious if it's not better to have a more experienced coach who has experience in rebuilds. Plenty of former assistants from the Kerry Coombs era with Colerain ties that have head coaching experience.
 
Man not 1 old head Colerain guy has a lead on who they are hiring?

I cant imagine they leave this vacant too much longer....

Not one guy in here has said his name. but I know a CPS dude that is all about rebuilding and making zero's into hero's.

Jeremy Pflug make the call he would be there in a heart beat
 
Some headwinds IMO....

Colerain pay scale for teachers is pretty low

They won't create a position just for a head coach.

Dying district

Community support for the District is low

I know during one hiring process they lost a lot of candidates when they found out they weren't just coaches and actually had to work
 
GLAT said:
I don't think the merger will make a big impact
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Northwest has 700 plus students. Let’s say 1/4 are varsity material for athletics. That is just under 200 potential males and females to help programs field competitive teams. This could also attract quality coaching with the increase in the talent pool with enough numbers to bring back freshmen programs, solid JV and Varsity program numbers. To grow the skills needed. Now this is only If the district decides it wants to compete in the areas big school conference GMC. If not keep it the way it is and look into the CMAC or a league both schools can compete in with the current instructional model.
 
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There are a whole lot of people in this thread assuming Northwest and Colerain merge and build a new school. While the board has stated this is a goal.......They will need a levy to do this. No, way the community passes a levy to do this. Especially the Northwest High School side of the district, they do NOT want to merge, and they really, really don't want any potential new school built on Colerain's campus.
 
cincifbfan said:
There are a whole lot of people in this thread assuming Northwest and Colerain merge and build a new school. While the board has stated this is a goal.......They will need a levy to do this. No, way the community passes a levy to do this. Especially the Northwest High School side of the district, they do NOT want to merge, and they really, really don't want any potential new school built on Colerain's campus.
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The push back will also be from other parts who don't want to merge with Northwest.

The District did surveys on this years ago and the majority were against a merge....not much has changed. The clowns on this board who blame the administration need to realize the community must support anything they want to do.
 
My original point in mentioning the merger was... does anyone want to be the Colerain Head Coach if they could potentially combine schools and then 1 of those staffs is out of a job. Not a lot of job security in that situation.

In regards to actually merging schools, all it takes is a Board and SUPE willing to do it. The Board can work around the community. Use 1 campus as the Freshman/Sophomore building, and use the other as a Jr/Sr building. Utilize the facilities you have and combine district resources. Makes the most financial sense. No new building needed. No levy needed.
 
Run_2_Win said:
My original point in mentioning the merger was... does anyone want to be the Colerain Head Coach if they could potentially combine schools and then 1 of those staffs is out of a job. Not a lot of job security in that situation.

In regards to actually merging schools, all it takes is a Board and SUPE willing to do it. The Board can work around the community. Use 1 campus as the Freshman/Sophomore building, and use the other as a Jr/Sr building. Utilize the facilities you have and combine district resources. Makes the most financial sense. No new building needed. No levy needed.
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When you read this, understand this is some of the citizens the school administrators have to deal with.
 
Run_2_Win said:
My original point in mentioning the merger was... does anyone want to be the Colerain Head Coach if they could potentially combine schools and then 1 of those staffs is out of a job. Not a lot of job security in that situation.

In regards to actually merging schools, all it takes is a Board and SUPE willing to do it. The Board can work around the community. Use 1 campus as the Freshman/Sophomore building, and use the other as a Jr/Sr building. Utilize the facilities you have and combine district resources. Makes the most financial sense. No new building needed. No levy needed.
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If you have been in either building, you will see a new building really is needed. Colerain especially is in poor shape. The overall design is bad, with a third or so of the classrooms with zero windows which besides being extremely depressing, can also pose a safety concern.
 
GLAT said:
When you read this, understand this is some of the citizens the school administrators have to deal with.
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You are suggesting that the situation is fine as is? Both schools underperform, both buildings are bad, but the community won't pass a levy for a new building. So your answer is to do what?

Freshman campuses are not a novel idea. Lakota and Hamilton have had them for years.
 
Run_2_Win said:
You are suggesting that the situation is fine as is? Both schools underperform, both buildings are bad, but the community won't pass a levy for a new building. So your answer is to do what?

Freshman campuses are not a novel idea. Lakota and Hamilton have had them for years.
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I didn't know Hamilton had one. Fairfield does too. I don't like the idea of freshmen campuses. It creates it's own set of unique issues, especially with trying to build sports programs. Having those freshmen kids away from the varsity head coach who is in the 10-12 building can cause issues of continuity. They also create issues of school culture and can create some academic problems. Ideally, you want all 4 grades together. These freshmen buildings were done out of necessity, they shouldn't be the norm.
 
Run_2_Win said:
You are suggesting that the situation is fine as is? Both schools underperform, both buildings are bad, but the community won't pass a levy for a new building. So your answer is to do what?

Freshman campuses are not a novel idea. Lakota and Hamilton have had them for years.
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You are correct, NWLSD is a train wreck and has been for several years, but the district did make some progress this past reporting period. In district, many buildings are falling apart and the removal of the primaries for mega primaries has caused a lot of issues.

NWLSD is a shrinking district that is forecasted to get smaller. (This is a good thing as residents that utilize the district now cannot afford to keep it going or make improvements). Most Taxpayers want low cost solutions.

Reading some of the post, One can tell that many posters do not know much about the history of the NWLSD...
During the districts Prime, the high schools were 10-11-12th grades with NW at 1200+ students and CHS over 2000+ in grades 10-12. Both HS had full CTE centers behind them that were well respected around the state.
The district had 3… yes, 3 freshman athletic programs and these teams were separated at the JR High campuses where all activities took place. Colerain Middle and White Oak middle fed into CHS. Pleasant Run fed into NW.

Currently, the district struggles to field Freshman teams in most sports. NWHS struggles to field Varsity and JV teams….
CHS can field both but to be honest in most sports the JV is much worse than the varsity programs.

Attendance district wide is an issue as, both high schools sit around 85% attendance way under the recommended 95% by ODEW. As a district 33% are reported as chronic.
Freshman attendance is bad mainly due to no busing and families only having one car or no car. Relying on carpools or other family members to take their 9th graders to school.

The busing issues for the Freshman could be solved but the district needs a leader that is not afraid to make tough decisions.
A Freshman campus could be a step in solving the attendance issues with busing. It could also help grow athletes, it could also allow for the needed resources the students will require to improve test scores especially with the forecast rise in ELL/ESL. The best part is…No new campuses would need to be built. With such low numbers of students at both campuses repurposing buildings would work until a bond issue could be passed. NWHS only has 250 Freshman, CHS just under 400. NWHS is large enough to house all 8th and 9th grade students. The open seats created could trickle down to the elementary to reduce the overcrowding at the K-5 levels. Intermediate schools 5-7, elementary preschool to 4th. CHS could handle the 500+ 10-12 from NW if the 400 Freshman currently at CHS were moved to the Freshman campus. Enrolment at CHS would still be less than the 80s/90s.
The school board has already approved a merger the question is when it will take place and how will it take place. The district has done a good job of hosting combined activities for clubs, bands, music etc. that is a start.
The district has struggled to pass levies for a long time. There is a couple reasons why.
Unlike 20+ years ago, many of the families utilizing the district now do not own property. Most have no idea where to go to vote and to be honest don’t try because the district is a stopping point for a lot of families. Not CPS bad but it is bad… This contributes to the low turnouts in district during votes.
Another problem is the income levels have a WIDE range. Lower middle class to upper middle class earning. CHS has an even wider gap than NWHS. The wealthier families or the ones willing to do what is needed for quality education go private. Depending on what part of Colerain, Green or Springfield township you are in you will see a lot of private signs in the yard. Fixed income….Lots of elderly and retired that do not want to see anymore taxes. It will be interesting to see if the district follows through on moving to an income tax that the voters would have to approve but the thought is get the elderly and fixed income on board with low wage to no wage voters (No W2) and get it to pass…
I have been to many NWLSD meetings and there seems to be more interest from alumni and staff to attend information sessions than current families. This too is a problem
 
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Run_2_Win said:
My original point in mentioning the merger was... does anyone want to be the Colerain Head Coach if they could potentially combine schools and then 1 of those staffs is out of a job. Not a lot of job security in that situation.
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Since Bolden left how many coaches has CHS had? How many coaches has NW had the past 10 years? If you think football is bad the other sports seem like a yearly coaching revolving door... Especially the ladies sports
Run_2_Win said:
In regards to actually merging schools, all it takes is a Board and SUPE willing to do it. The Board can work around the community. Use 1 campus as the Freshman/Sophomore building, and use the other as a Jr/Sr building. Utilize the facilities you have and combine district resources. Makes the most financial sense. No new building needed. No levy needed.
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Correct, no new building at this time for a central HS but there are overcrowding issues at the other campuses... CHS can hold 2000 10-12 grade like it did in the past. NW can be an 8th/9th grade building with under 1000 students it could house them with Great freshman/8th grade facilities.
 
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I would venture a guess that building a new high school would be cheaper than renovations of the 2 current campuses, heck probably cheaper than just 1. I cannot imagine the amount of asbestos and led paint in those buildings. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some led pipes too.

Regardless, it's gonna be really pricey because all that old crap has to be remediated whether demolished or not.
 
cincifbfan said:
I would venture a guess that building a new high school would be cheaper than renovations of the 2 current campuses, heck probably cheaper than just 1. I cannot imagine the amount of asbestos and led paint in those buildings. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some led pipes too.

Regardless, it's gonna be really pricey because all that old crap has to be remediated whether demolished or not.
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Agreed, plus the district isn't big enough anymore to justify 2 high separate high schools. If the 2 schools combine I would think they would still be behind Mason, Lakota East, Lakota West and maybe even Oak Hills in enrollment. I know there's a lot of politics and other stuff to it, but numbers wise a merger and building one new school makes the most sense to me.
 
OUcats82 said:
Any word on what was shared/discussed at the special district athletics meeting last week?
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Nothing beyond stating the obvious problems and throwing possible ideas out. Open Enrollment likely but don't know how that really helps.

If you want to know the kind of leadership in NWSLD, one of the board members suggested partnering with Planet Fitness and have kids go when the crowd meter is low instead of addressing the aging facilities. And instead of addressing the low pay that hurts coaching searches, they should just find coaches who do it for a love of the game.

For reference, Colerain never had a weight room, Coombs got donated equipment to fill out a few empty classrooms connected to the athletic office. That had to be moved when it was discovered the extra weight was causing the building to sink. The current weight room is in an unattached brick storage shed about the size of a 3 car garage, that also is used as a concession stand for the visitors side for home games.
 
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