Colerain Going Forward

I just looked at the Colerain thread and it has been dormant. I remember when a group of their fans used to meet at a local restaurant and share old films and stories about the program. I actually attended a couple times. It was fun seeing their pride and excitement. I wonder if they still get together. I shocked one Colerain fan when I got him some Ohio State tickets. I guess he thought I was a real douche because of the banter on Yappi. LOL I like to poke a stick at some of the Colerain's fan arrogance back in their day.
 
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Despite whatever a realtor told you, there is way more good than bad about Colerain Township.
As soon as he said whole Colerain Community was like inner city area we know he totally lost. Still a good percentage of Colerain that's pretty rural. NWLSD Education I'd say is comparable to CPS or definitely headed in that direction.

Coach Williams currently at X was politely asked to leave Colerain 10-12 yrs ago?
 
If CardinalsFan is still around it would be interesting to get his take on what happened and where they are headed. I know one thing he'll deny the Little Cards connection even though everyone else knows that is partly why Colerain was so successful for so many years. They used to have Little Cards Night at one of their home games. It's funny what Colerain got away with in the Little Cards program but Catholic Schools were held to a different watchful eye when they interacted with their feeder Catholic Grade Schools. No big deal just reality, I actually understood and respected what Coombs and Bolden were doing because they were giving youths from tough backgrounds a chance in life. I believe a lot of those Little Cards players that went on to Colerain got college scholarships coming out of high school
I urge you or anyone else to take a tour of Colerain’s weight room and equipment. Then compare that to every other GMC school. Their record began to trend downward the same year that hallowed weight room was relocated out of the building and into a much smaller “building”. While it’s impossible to point to one specific reason, that one weighs heavy imo.
 
I urge you or anyone else to take a tour of Colerain’s weight room and equipment. Then compare that to every other GMC school. Their record began to trend downward the same year that hallowed weight room was relocated out of the building and into a much smaller “building”. While it’s impossible to point to one specific reason, that one weighs heavy imo.
This may have played a small role in Colerain Athletics demise but not a large one imo. Elder for many many yrs had a weight room on a Small Stage and were always in the thick of things in this Region.
 
Without Coombs and Bolden keeping tabs on the Little Cards program they've lost their feeder system. Add to it the demise of the Colerain Township community and Colerain has become just another inner city type school. The youth problems with violence at Northgate Mall were well publicized for awhile. That whole community has slid in the wrong direction. When I relocated back to Cincinnati a long time ago we looked in Colerain Township because my wife grew up on Pippin Road. I was shocked that the realtor at the time warned us that Colerain was becoming the next Over the Rhine because of the regentrification going on in OTR downtown. I know I'll be labeled a racist and other derogatory names for saying all this but from what I'm seeing, the realtor was right about several areas of Colerain township. There still nice areas to live in the Township but as a whole it has gone down hill.

I agree that the Little Cards program was the primary catalyst for Colerain's success.

Large clumps of Northbrook and Groesbeck have been dumpy and trashy for decades though.
 
This may have played a small role in Colerain Athletics demise but not a large one imo. Elder for many many yrs had a weight room on a Small Stage and were always in the thick of things in this Region.
Agreed. The downward slide was already happening before the weight room was condemned and they had to move it.

And for those saying more good parts of Colerain township than bad.....land area, sure due to the rural areas. Number of households, definitely not.
 
As soon as he said whole Colerain Community was like inner city area we know he totally lost. Still a good percentage of Colerain that's pretty rural. NWLSD Education I'd say is comparable to CPS or definitely headed in that direction.

Coach Williams currently at X was politely asked to leave Colerain 10-12 yrs ago?
not sure what 'was politely asked to leave colerain 10-12 yrs ago" has to do with anything.... Huber is a good guy. There's more than a few current GMC head coaches with their own past (or current) marital issues family / 'personal leadership' issues......, etc - see LW (back at NW) FF and Hamilton if you dig deep enough..... If being a good guy was factor, Huber would still be head coach. #justwinbaby
 
I just looked at the Colerain thread and it has been dormant. I remember when a group of their fans used to meet at a local restaurant and share old films and stories about the program. I actually attended a couple times. It was fun seeing their pride and excitement. I wonder if they still get together. I shocked one Colerain fan when I got him some Ohio State tickets. I guess he thought I was a real douche because of the banter on Yappi. LOL I like to poke a stick at some of the Colerain's fan arrogance back in their day.

They had some really good posters.
 
If NWLSD couldn't afford a "brinks truck" for Tom Bolden, what makes you think they can for anyone else?
I think Bolden made a decision that was best for for him and his family in terms of his career. I think he knew the timing was right to make a change, along with the potential and challenge of building a program for Lakota West (which he certainly has done).
 
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I know there have been threads over the years about Colerain's demise. As an outsider in NEO, I am in disbelief as to how far this program has dropped. I know there are many reasons to be shared, but it is still unbelievable to me. As a fellow public Cardinal from the other side of the state, I always viewed Colerain as Mentor's sort of mirror as a big time public program trying to make their way through the power private programs of their respective regions.
living in the Cincy area, I can tell you cardzfan, that it's been every bit the same of a bizarre puzzle to why the Colerain program has fallen so far. Having also travelled and stayed (family) in the Mentor area too, over the years, I've made it to a few Mentor games and see the parallels between the two programs like you describe...at least, I used to see those parallels. Not so much any more, and there have been a lot reasons for the fall, but IMO, nothing can fully explain the lengths of that fall. Bolden leaving for Lakota West obviously played a role, the community changing in a variety of ways over the past 20ish years, and the "transfer portal" that has also become a staple in high school football (my opinion, guessing also shared by many others?), make up the major reasons. Still, it's been mindboggling.
 
Coombs and Bolden built and enhanced the program, starting in grade school. Those two are the main two reasons for Colerain's success. Colerain had some bad a** teams during their tenures.

Great coaches build great programs. You can't replace what those 2 did for Colerain, and when you add open borders to their departure, it spiraled. That's the long and short of it.
 
For anyone thinking that 1 person or a entirely new revamped staff is going to go into Colerain and change it back to what it once was over night is down right crazy.

Once Bolden left (and combs obviously was long gone) the tradition that was Colerain left with it. Someone is going to have to come in and start from the ground up LITERALLY to get ANY relevancy back to Colerain football.

right now I would say the top 2 candidates are

1. Dominic Goodman
2. Tyler Williams

Does colerain have the money to pull in a BIG name established guy to drive the ship? My guess is no.
 
"But going from the GMC/ECC to CMAC would be a tough ego shot.. so not sure it happens" LOL, yeah I know they aren't going to the CMAC. Yeah WW isn't going to leave the ECC its a great conference, but they are only competitive in football, basketball and sometimes track. Outside of football Winton Woods is a competitive fit in the CMAC, whether people want to hear it or not.
Say all you want.
 
For anyone thinking that 1 person or a entirely new revamped staff is going to go into Colerain and change it back to what it once was over night is down right crazy.

Once Bolden left (and combs obviously was long gone) the tradition that was Colerain left with it. Someone is going to have to come in and start from the ground up LITERALLY to get ANY relevancy back to Colerain football.

right now I would say the top 2 candidates are

1. Dominic Goodman
2. Tyler Williams

Does colerain have the money to pull in a BIG name established guy to drive the ship? My guess is no.
I'm sure they could pull something together for someone. I know they made the current WW coach a very good deal the last time the job opened up.
 
I'm sure they could pull something together for someone. I know they made the current WW coach a very good deal the last time the job opened up.
It would likely have to involve some way to create/offer some type of staff position, during the school day, maybe a quasi-administrative position, then go from there. Not so sure the higher ups in most, if not all, public school systems are willing to get that creative to attract a top notch coach. Short of that, IMO, the decision makers next best move would be to find & go after a known commodity, from the community/school, that might be willing to come home, to try to re-establish what once was. And give that rare person, if they still exist, the freedom to run things in the way that they need to. Not great odds of either of those potential scenarios happening though.
 
I think the SWOC might try a rebuild/merger with the CMAC. Swap Harrison and Colerain. Colerain, Mt. Healthy, and Northwest approach the CMAC and do a relalignement, invite Finneytown and Deer Park from the CHL.

CMAC Red

Colerain
Northwest
Mt. Healthy
Withrow
West High
Aiken
Hughes
Taft

CMAC Blue

Cincinnati College Prep
Gamble
Shroder
Woodward
Finneytown
Deer Park
(all the non football schools as well)

And then if you can get them to leave the ECC, Winton Woods and Walnut Hills would fit great with the CMAC red schools. But going from the GMC/ECC to CMAC would be a tough ego shot.. so not sure it happens, but that would be a competitive division.
 
The GMC badly needs to restructure and either drop Colerain and Oak Hills, who are boat anchors in most sports, or add 2 teams and go to 6 team divisions. In COH, the OCC has multiple 6 team divisions (a few 8) and this provides a far more common sense approach to consistent scheduling.

It's hard enough to maintain reasonable parity in a 6 team league, let alone a 10 teamer, but at least with 6 it opens up the scheduling for ADs to find OOC matches against schools that better fit them. The GMC is at a tremendous disadvantage especially in football, both for how seeding is currently done and for the quality of product they put out there for their fans, because of their 10 team league and insistence that all teams play each other. Having only 1 OOC game is laughable stupidity.
 
The GMC badly needs to restructure and either drop Colerain and Oak Hills, who are boat anchors in most sports, or add 2 teams and go to 6 team divisions. In COH, the OCC has multiple 6 team divisions (a few 8) and this provides a far more common sense approach to consistent scheduling.

It's hard enough to maintain reasonable parity in a 6 team league, let alone a 10 teamer, but at least with 6 it opens up the scheduling for ADs to find OOC matches against schools that better fit them. The GMC is at a tremendous disadvantage especially in football, both for how seeding is currently done and for the quality of product they put out there for their fans, because of their 10 team league and insistence that all teams play each other. Having only 1 OOC game is laughable stupidity.
not an OH guy BUT to say Oakhill's is at the bottom of MOST sports isn't true....Middle of the pack maybe.


(last year) (all of these teams finished over .500 overall as well minus wrestling not sure what their dual record was)
6th boys basketball
6th girls basketball
8th wrestling (one of the better girls programs in the city)+
3rd boys track
6th girls track
3rd baseball
5th softball
 
The GMC badly needs to restructure and either drop Colerain and Oak Hills, who are boat anchors in most sports, or add 2 teams and go to 6 team divisions. In COH, the OCC has multiple 6 team divisions (a few 8) and this provides a far more common sense approach to consistent scheduling.

It's hard enough to maintain reasonable parity in a 6 team league, let alone a 10 teamer, but at least with 6 it opens up the scheduling for ADs to find OOC matches against schools that better fit them. The GMC is at a tremendous disadvantage especially in football, both for how seeding is currently done and for the quality of product they put out there for their fans, because of their 10 team league and insistence that all teams play each other. Having only 1 OOC game is laughable stupidity.
I understand the rationale behind this. But I don't see GMC going to 12, with 2 six team divisions. The move from 7 conference games to the now 9 was done with a purpose....to make scheduling WAY easier. Especially with the watered down playoff picture now, for ADs & administratively speaking, there's no benefit to trying to fill a schedule 3-4 OOC games. So, if they bounce someone, they'll have someone in mind to bring in. And every conference seems to have a bottom dweller, Colerain is the GMC's. I do agree that they are a poor fit overall but bouncing them now when they're in a really tough spot will hurt the GMC's image, like it would hurt the ECC to get rid of Winton Woods.

Realistically, I think both Colerain and Sycamore should probably leave the GMC and the GMC could bring in Springboro and Centerville. But that would really mess things up by tearing apart the GWOC even more.
 
Without Coombs and Bolden keeping tabs on the Little Cards program they've lost their feeder system. Add to it the demise of the Colerain Township community and Colerain has become just another inner city type school. The youth problems with violence at Northgate Mall were well publicized for awhile. That whole community has slid in the wrong direction. When I relocated back to Cincinnati a long time ago we looked in Colerain Township because my wife grew up on Pippin Road. I was shocked that the realtor at the time warned us that Colerain was becoming the next Over the Rhine because of the regentrification going on in OTR downtown. I know I'll be labeled a racist and other derogatory names for saying all this but from what I'm seeing, the realtor was right about several areas of Colerain township. There still nice areas to live in the Township but as a whole it has gone down hill.
Two issues

Some of the cheapest housing on the 275 belt is in Colerain Twp around Northgate for people wanting out of the inner city areas

Also cheaper taxes have led many private school families to build nice houses in the township but vote against supporting the schools
 
not an OH guy BUT to say Oakhill's is at the bottom of MOST sports isn't true....Middle of the pack maybe.


(last year) (all of these teams finished over .500 overall as well minus wrestling not sure what their dual record was)
6th boys basketball
6th girls basketball
8th wrestling (one of the better girls programs in the city)+
3rd boys track
6th girls track
3rd baseball
5th softball
and they haven't been last in football for a few years now. that dbag has a hard on for mason though lol.

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The GMC badly needs to restructure and either drop Colerain and Oak Hills, who are boat anchors in most sports, or add 2 teams and go to 6 team divisions. In COH, the OCC has multiple 6 team divisions (a few 8) and this provides a far more common sense approach to consistent scheduling.

It's hard enough to maintain reasonable parity in a 6 team league, let alone a 10 teamer, but at least with 6 it opens up the scheduling for ADs to find OOC matches against schools that better fit them. The GMC is at a tremendous disadvantage especially in football, both for how seeding is currently done and for the quality of product they put out there for their fans, because of their 10 team league and insistence that all teams play each other. Having only 1 OOC game is laughable stupidity.
Oak Hills is too big for any other league but the GMC in Cincy, also they are pretty average in most sports.
 
not an OH guy BUT to say Oakhill's is at the bottom of MOST sports isn't true....Middle of the pack maybe.


(last year) (all of these teams finished over .500 overall as well minus wrestling not sure what their dual record was)
6th boys basketball
6th girls basketball
8th wrestling (one of the better girls programs in the city)+
3rd boys track
6th girls track
3rd baseball
5th softball

this is precisely the point, they don't bring anything to the league other than another meh conference game that teams are forced to schedule. Don't have to be in last place in everything for this to be the case. And some of the lower teams might still want to schedule them OOC, that's fine. But other teams need freedom to go out and play more similar teams.
 
I understand the rationale behind this. But I don't see GMC going to 12, with 2 six team divisions. The move from 7 conference games to the now 9 was done with a purpose....to make scheduling WAY easier. Especially with the watered down playoff picture now, for ADs & administratively speaking, there's no benefit to trying to fill a schedule 3-4 OOC games. So, if they bounce someone, they'll have someone in mind to bring in. And every conference seems to have a bottom dweller, Colerain is the GMC's. I do agree that they are a poor fit overall but bouncing them now when they're in a really tough spot will hurt the GMC's image, like it would hurt the ECC to get rid of Winton Woods.

Realistically, I think both Colerain and Sycamore should probably leave the GMC and the GMC could bring in Springboro and Centerville. But that would really mess things up by tearing apart the GWOC even more.
I personally love the move of Centerville to the GMC, but as you said that would hurt the GWOC even more, and Centerville has long relationships in that league. But centerville is a huge district. I think they are 1,000 kids bigger than the 2nd biggest GWOC school. I think Middletown and Centerville should personally swap leagues. Springboro would be a good fit in the GMC too. I understand that 10 schools makes it easier for scheduling, but I have always been a fan of 1 league 2 divisions. And I think that could help with competitive balance maybe too. But I agree that the GMC stays at 10.
 
It's hard enough to maintain reasonable parity in a 6 team league, let alone a 10 teamer, but at least with 6 it opens up the scheduling for ADs to find OOC matches against schools that better fit them. The GMC is at a tremendous disadvantage especially in football, both for how seeding is currently done and for the quality of product they put out there for their fans, because of their 10 team league and insistence that all teams play each other. Having only 1 OOC game is laughable stupidity.
Please don't say this out loud because there's a chance someone from a GMC school might realize that 80% of their conference is themselves back when it comes to Harbin averages.
 
this is precisely the point, they don't bring anything to the league other than another meh conference game that teams are forced to schedule. Don't have to be in last place in everything for this to be the case. And some of the lower teams might still want to schedule them OOC, that's fine. But other teams need freedom to go out and play more similar teams.
based off this theory then FF , sycamore and Middletown.... So based off this you are going to kick out 4-5 teams and totally implode the GMC?
 
I think Bolden made a decision that was best for for him and his family in terms of his career. I think he knew the timing was right to make a change, along with the potential and challenge of building a program for Lakota West (which he certainly has done).
I don't blame Bolden for the move he made. He "got the bag" as the younger folks say and he deserved it. (Personally, I'm not comfortable with public school districts who create fake jobs for football coaches, but I'm not a tax payer in the Lakota Local School District.)

I think Bolden's departure left a scar on the psyche of the Colerain and NWLSD community that has probably only worsened because of the collapse of the football program. My wife left teaching in the Lakota school district for a job teaching in the Northwest school district the same year that Bolden went in the opposite direction and said that she had multiple colleagues--people who were Colerain High School grads and NWLSD employees--who asked her why she would leave a district like Lakota to teach in a district like theirs. Those questions weren't entirely because of Bolden but it all comes back to a lack of leadership in the district.
 
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