Colerain Going Forward

EHS 2001 said:
I don't blame Bolden for the move he made. He "got the bag" as the younger folks say and he deserved it. (Personally, I'm not comfortable with public school districts who create fake jobs for football coaches, but I'm not a tax payer in the Lakota Local School District.)

I think Bolden's departure left a scar on the psyche of the Colerain and NWLSD community that has probably only worsened because of the collapse of the football program. My wife left teaching in the Lakota school district for a job teaching in the Northwest school district the same year that Bolden went in the opposite direction and said that she had multiple colleagues--people who were Colerain High School grads and NWLSD employees--who asked her why she would leave a district like Lakota to teach in a district like theirs. Those questions weren't entirely because of Bolden but it all comes back to a lack of leadership in the district.
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So are youOK with private schools doing it? (because you know it happens there too LOL)
Bolden being a GREAT example I am sure 10X brings $$ into the district that it pays to him.

* dean of students
* head of security
* safety director

the list can go on w/job titles private or public jobs get created for people they want in the building.
 
93 red ls said:
based off this theory then FF , sycamore and Middletown.... So based off this you are going to kick out 4-5 teams and totally implode the GMC?
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He has a thing against Oak Hills. And you're right, those schools you listed aren't that much better when you look at total sports output.

Oak Hills also has some pretty strong girl's programs as well (soccer, volleyball, softball). The GMC is where they belong.
 
And honestly, with how much high school sports have changed, are leagues even necessary anymore?

The entire GCL plays 60-70% of their schedule against out-of-state or in-state Cleveland teams. What redeeming quality do leagues have outside of nostalgia and the ways it's always been? Where you place in league literally impacts nothing outside of pride. It's more about being playoff ready than anything else. Who even pays attention to league titles anymore?

Eds could go 5-5 and win state. St X did it a few years ago. All leagues are doing is further perpetuating the public vs private chasm. It would be amazing if the GCL and GMC could schedule each other every year in football on a rotational basis.
 
Doublehelix said:
He has a thing against Oak Hills. And you're right, those schools you listed aren't that much better when you look at total sports output.

Oak Hills also has some pretty strong girl's programs as well (soccer, volleyball, softball). The GMC is where they belong.
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I've got zero problem with Oak Hills, just find it funny when clueless homers come on with laughable statements like it's "possible they could win a playoff game this year".

Having 2 good programs out of 20 doesn't justify a league presence.
 
93 red ls said:
So are youOK with private schools doing it? (because you know it happens there too LOL)
Bolden being a GREAT example I am sure 10X brings $$ into the district that it pays to him.

* dean of students
* head of security
* safety director

the list can go on w/job titles private or public jobs get created for people they want in the building.
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Bolden makes over 105k a year at Lakota West. You are saying he is bringing in over 1 million dollars??? Get a clue.
 
ElDuderino said:
I've got zero problem with Oak Hills, just find it funny when clueless homers come on with laughable statements like it's "possible they could win a playoff game this year".

Having 2 good programs out of 20 doesn't justify a league presence.
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I mean if Oak Hills left the GMC their only other plausible option is what remains of the SWOC lol. The ECC is a hard no, they are at 10 teams, I am sure Oak Hills wants nothing to do with the CMAC. But hey, an Oak Hills/Harrison rivalry does sound fun. Let them bring Colerain too!
 
ElDuderino said:
I've got zero problem with Oak Hills, just find it funny when clueless homers come on with laughable statements like it's "possible they could win a playoff game this year".

Having 2 good programs out of 20 doesn't justify a league presence.
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2 good programs? What are you talking about? With both boys and girls, they compete just fine in the GMC.

You act like the GMC isn't a bunch of very similar schools, who honestly, are all very average across the board. There really is no comparison of any GMC school to X, Elder and Moe when it comes to a holistic look at all sports.

Across the board, Oak Hills is an average program in an average league.
 
cincifbfan said:
The 4 team conference that whines consistently about how "impossible" it is to find opponents in football?

I think the GMC will stay at 10 just simply for the ease of scheduling.
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Both the publics and the privates have let ego stand between themselves and easier scheduling.

The publics burn the bridge and say the privates cheat, and the privates won't schedule games unless it's under favorable terms. Then they all collectively whine about it. What the publics don't realize is that that is helping to perpetuate the rise of the privates. When really good kids see the GCL playing these regional and sometimes national schedules, they want to be part of it.

How awesome would it be to rotate a GCL and GMC football schedule each year? Moe v LW / Elder v Princeton / X v Mason? There's also no need to play 9 conference games every year. It makes no sense.
 
cincifbfan said:
Bolden makes over 105k a year at Lakota West. You are saying he is bringing in over 1 million dollars??? Get a clue.
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Can't forget the 14% the district is required to toss in to STRS and the cost of other benefits like health insurance, etc.
93 red ls said:
Bolden being a GREAT example I am sure 10X brings $$ into the district that it pays to him.

* dean of students
* head of security
* safety director

the list can go on w/job titles private or public jobs get created for people they want in the building.
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I wonder how the other people who applied for those open positions felt when they found out the district posted a made up job opening to pay a full time administrator salary to the football coach. Or how the people who worked extra to get a masters degree or principal/administrators' certificate felt when the new football coach started at the same salary they had to work extra for.

Again, this is not a knock on Lakota West or its district leadership. I have a feeling most large suburban districts around the state are doing similar things with their coaches, but I'm very surprised no one in the media has ever asked any questions about these situations.
 
The publics think they are "sticking it" to the privates, but all it's doing is making the private programs stronger and making the talent divide wider.
 
EHS 2001 said:
I wonder how the other people who applied for those open positions felt when they found out the district posted a made up job opening to pay a full time administrator salary to the football coach. Or how the people who worked extra to get a masters degree or principal/administrators' certificate felt when the new football coach started at the same salary they had to work extra for.

Again, this is not a knock on Lakota West or its district leadership. I have a feeling most large suburban districts around the state are doing similar things with their coaches, but I'm very surprised no one in the media has ever asked any questions about these situations.
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What is there to question? It's all market driven, and football is uber popular. Can those people with master's degrees coach football?

Does the football coach complain when new highly paid teachers are brought in when an Honor's program is created? Does the I-Team investigate then? What's the difference?

People get so bent out of shape because sports "aren't as important". Sports provide as much teaching as any other subject, just in different ways.
 
Doublehelix said:
2 good programs? What are you talking about? With both boys and girls, they compete just fine in the GMC.

You act like the GMC isn't a bunch of very similar schools, who honestly, are all very average across the board. There really is no comparison of any GMC school to X, Elder and Moe when it comes to a holistic look at all sports.

Across the board, Oak Hills is an average program in an average league.
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Which again is exactly the point, you don't need to water down a league with additional teams who are average or below average at just about everything, especially when it can be easily argued that 10 teams in a league is too many when you look at how the rest of the state operates. Several schools are exceptional at multiple things, and while it's certainly fair to say not many are great across the board, there's a difference between that and someone who provides nothing but additional meh games forced on the schedule.

Kids and parents alike enjoy the idea of playing different OOC games and getting to see different places. Sure, some conference rivalries are fun too, but the GMC is just way too overdone. Could probably have a similar conversation about ECC once the novelty of that new league wears off and the schools get familiar with each other.
 
Doublehelix said:
What is there to question? It's all market driven, and football is uber popular. Can those people with master's degrees coach football?

Does the football coach complain when new highly paid teachers are brought in when an Honor's program is created? Does the I-Team investigate then? What's the difference?

People get so bent out of shape because sports "aren't as important". Sports provide as much teaching as any other subject, just in different ways.
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It's not market driven though. In the state of Ohio, you are supposed to have an administrator's license to hold such jobs in a public school. Bolden doesn't have one. Neither do many of the coaches put in similar made up positions in the GMC and around the state..... Kitna, Parker, Jones. Head Football Coach is a supplemental position paying 10k or so. Either switch HFC to a full time job (because to do it the right way, it is definitely a full time job) or start expecting these coaches to actually get their admin credential and perform a REAL job inside the schools.

It is amazing the public is ok with this.
 
Doublehelix said:
Does the football coach complain when new highly paid teachers are brought in when an Honor's program is created? Does the I-Team investigate then? What's the difference
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No they don't because they aren't paying these teachers off the payscale with a completely made up numbers. Schools are for education, and an honor's program achieves that goal and enhances it. Football does not, it an extra curricular, not the actual curriculum.
 
cincifbfan said:
It's not market driven though. In the state of Ohio, you are supposed to have an administrator's license to hold such jobs in a public school. Bolden doesn't have one. Neither do many of the coaches put in similar made up positions in the GMC and around the state..... Kitna, Parker, Jones. Head Football Coach is a supplemental position paying 10k or so. Either switch HFC to a full time job (because to do it the right way, it is definitely a full time job) or start expecting these coaches to actually get their admin credential and perform a REAL job inside the schools.

It is amazing the public is ok with this.
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They're not "stealing" a spot from someone else. It's ridiculous to think $10k per year is going to land good coaches, when sports across the board are a crucial piece of a school's marketing, fundraising and student development.
 
cincifbfan said:
No they don't because they aren't paying these teachers off the payscale with a completely made up numbers. Schools are for education, and an honor's program achieves that goal and enhances it. Football does not, it an extra curricular, not the actual curriculum.
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You honestly don't think sports are educational?

It's not up to one person to determine what's most important for another person. Sports, in a lot of cases, do more for kids than school ever will.
 
cincifbfan said:
Is it though? I mean many of these publics have more D1 guys than the privates, yet still can't get past the privates in the post season.
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That's what stellar coaches do. You have to build a TEAM.

Outside of Bolden, what coach stands out in Cincinnati football from the public schools over the last 20 years? I can't think of one.
 
ElDuderino said:
Which again is exactly the point, you don't need to water down a league with additional teams who are average or below average at just about everything, especially when it can be easily argued that 10 teams in a league is too many when you look at how the rest of the state operates. Several schools are exceptional at multiple things, and while it's certainly fair to say not many are great across the board, there's a difference between that and someone who provides nothing but additional meh games forced on the schedule.

Kids and parents alike enjoy the idea of playing different OOC games and getting to see different places. Sure, some conference rivalries are fun too, but the GMC is just way too overdone. Could probably have a similar conversation about ECC once the novelty of that new league wears off and the schools get familiar with each other.
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So then why are you singling out Oak Hills? Most of the programs in the GMC are just like them.

I do agree that 10 teams is too many, and it's especially dumb to have to play everyone in the football season.
 
ElDuderino said:
The GMC badly needs to restructure and either drop Colerain and Oak Hills, who are boat anchors in most sports, or add 2 teams and go to 6 team divisions. In COH, the OCC has multiple 6 team divisions (a few 8) and this provides a far more common sense approach to consistent scheduling.

It's hard enough to maintain reasonable parity in a 6 team league, let alone a 10 teamer, but at least with 6 it opens up the scheduling for ADs to find OOC matches against schools that better fit them. The GMC is at a tremendous disadvantage especially in football, both for how seeding is currently done and for the quality of product they put out there for their fans, because of their 10 team league and insistence that all teams play each other. Having only 1 OOC game is laughable stupidity.
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Haha. You established your lack of credibility in the first sentence. Oak Hills is solidly in the middle of the league in the all sports standings year after year. Check Princeton’s and Hamiltons and Middletowns standings.
 
EHS 2001 said:
Colerain was 14-1 with their only loss in state championship game in 2018!
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Colerain since Bolden left:
2019: 11-2 (lost to Elder by 7 in region 4 finals)
2020: 6-3 (lost to Lakota West in third round of playoffs)
2021: 5-6 (lost to Elder in 3OT in first round of playoffs)
2022: 4-7 (lost to Mason in first round of playoffs)
2023: 0-10
2024: 0-10

26-28 overall in the past 6 seasons. According to Fantastic50.net, the Cardinals are on a 22 game losing streak. Between 2005 and 2011, Colerain had a 34 game home winning streak.
 
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