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A follow up thought to this as it occurred in some games I assign yesterday (non-HS, but applicable).

When weather is an issue, it is acceptable to have your phone in your pocket/bag. But you are ONLY taking it out to check weather issues during a delay or between innings and NEVER during live ball action. And in those cases, everyone at the game is on theirs.

Or when the NWS issues a tornado warning and your phone goes off before the sirens....like well before the sirens.

But that is NOT what occurred in what you refer to.
In this specific instance (weather) isn't it also likely the umps are getting together to discuss what they are seeing on their phones?

Also, in this vein. How much communication are you doing with the coaches between innings on what you are seeing on the radar (i.e. "Coaches looks like rain will be here soon, lets get this next half inning started." )
 
In this specific instance (weather) isn't it also likely the umps are getting together to discuss what they are seeing on their phones?

Also, in this vein. How much communication are you doing with the coaches between innings on what you are seeing on the radar (i.e. "Coaches looks like rain will be here soon, lets get this next half inning started." )
I am not trusting coaches, especially at the lower levels, when it comes to weather and lightening.
I have seen way too many not have a clue, get mad when games are stopped when it was obvious and seen some use their bias before bringing it up to umpires.

If there is no site supervisor, AD, etc, it is on the umps to make the call to my knowledge in game and I will be damned if I would rely on a coach for this decisions....
 
A baseball has a diameter of about 2.5 inches (it’s closer to 2.625 but let’s make the math easier). Plate is 17” in diameter, so the strike zone is 22” wide .

In softball, the diameter of the ball is about 3.8 inches but they have the same 17” plate.

If the entire ball had to be on the plate, their strike zone would be 9.4” wide

You sure that’s the route you want to advocate for?
I'm not advocating, I'm just asking if the plate is called differently. Again watching the college softball tournament, it seems like the plate is REALLY small, making me think the umpires need to have the entire ball in the strike zone to call it a strike. They really don't even call up or down much, It's really thighs to belt. As an observer, it just seems to me the baseball strike zone is alot bigger than the softball strike zone? Anyone else notice this?
 
I'm not advocating, I'm just asking if the plate is called differently. Again watching the college softball tournament, it seems like the plate is REALLY small, making me think the umpires need to have the entire ball in the strike zone to call it a strike. They really don't even call up or down much, It's really thighs to belt. As an observer, it just seems to me the baseball strike zone is alot bigger than the softball strike zone? Anyone else notice this?
A few variables. You're watching a very high level of softball which should be the proper zone. The up/down part of the zone would appear tighter than baseball due to many of the players being shorter than the men. The angle from the camera in CF distorts that actual plate coverage (As it does in baseball). I wonder sometimes if the human part at these levels has some affect and they error on the side of a tighter zone?
 
A few variables. You're watching a very high level of softball which should be the proper zone. The up/down part of the zone would appear tighter than baseball due to many of the players being shorter than the men. The angle from the camera in CF distorts that actual plate coverage (As it does in baseball). I wonder sometimes if the human part at these levels has some affect and they error on the side of a tighter zone?
All of these make sense, to me it just seems like if it's not center cut belt/ waist high in softball, it's a ball. I'd also think being taller may be a disadvantage in softball.
 
I am not trusting coaches, especially at the lower levels, when it comes to weather and lightening.
I have seen way too many not have a clue, get mad when games are stopped when it was obvious and seen some use their bias before bringing it up to umpires.

If there is no site supervisor, AD, etc, it is on the umps to make the call to my knowledge in game and I will be damned if I would rely on a coach for this decisions....
In this specific instance (weather) isn't it also likely the umps are getting together to discuss what they are seeing on their phones?

Also, in this vein. How much communication are you doing with the coaches between innings on what you are seeing on the radar (i.e. "Coaches looks like rain will be here soon, lets get this next half inning started." )
Yes in this instance the crew is taking control and discussing what is seen, with larger crews under the guise of the crew chief.

I trust no coaches on weather as 27 years tells me neither team is giving the best info. Especially the winning team. I saw it happen with my son's soccer team the other night until the officiating crew took over.

Regardless of someone in charge, once pitch #1 is thrown the umpires are in charge and I am taking no shortcuts on weather or safety. This is at every level with limited exceptions (and the exceptions are NEVER the coaches - e.g., training staff has a say at certain levels along with league or conference offices).
 
A baseball has a diameter of about 2.5 inches (it’s closer to 2.625 but let’s make the math easier). Plate is 17” in diameter, so the strike zone is 22” wide .

In softball, the diameter of the ball is about 3.8 inches but they have the same 17” plate.

If the entire ball had to be on the plate, their strike zone would be 9.4” wide

You sure that’s the route you want to advocate for?
Uh, plate would still be 17" if entire ball had to be within width of plate. A ball just within on the inside and one just within on the outside would still leave 9.4" in between the 2 softballs...
 
Uh, plate would still be 17" if entire ball had to be within width of plate. A ball just within on the inside and one just within on the outside would still leave 9.4" in between the 2 softballs...
If any part of the ball is not over the plate, it’s a ball in the OP proposed/questioned scenario.

That means it cuts off 3.8 inches of the plate on each side , 3.75 I guess, so it cuts off 7.5” of the plate.
 
In regards to the interference call in the Yankees game yesterday. What is the runners responsibility in that situation?
The runner cannot do anything that will hinder, impede, obstruct, interfere, or confuse a fielder who is attempting to make a play.

The runner did so on this play.

It's comical and a sign of the times to see so many people lose their minds over an umpire making a correct call solely because they are ignorant of the rule.
 
The runner cannot do anything that will hinder, impede, obstruct, interfere, or confuse a fielder who is attempting to make a play.

The runner did so on this play.

It's comical and a sign of the times to see so many people lose their minds over an umpire making a correct call solely because they are ignorant of the rule.
So followup question. If the runner just stays standing on second the entire time is he required to get out of the way to allow the fielder to make the play?
 
So followup question. If the runner just stays standing on second the entire time is he required to get out of the way to allow the fielder to make the play?
Our Case Book gives us the answer to your question. (I bolded the part pertinent to your inquiry)

SITUATION 8.4.2H - With R2 on second and R1 on first, one out, B4 hits a ground ball or an infield fly. F4, standing behind second base is in position to field the ball. The ball strikes R2 who is (a) near second or (b) standing on second.

RULING - In both (a) and (b) the ball is dead immediately. If the hit is an inflield fly B4 shall be declared out (8-4-1j). In (a) R2 is out on either type of hit. In (b) R2 would be out on a ground ball, but not on an inflield fly. A runner need not vacate the base to permit the fielder to make a catch, but he shall give the fielder a reasonable opportunty to make the play. (7-4-1f, 5-1-1f).

In the play in question, the runner left the bag and made contact with the fielder while returning.
 
To answer the question “what is he supposed to do”, ask yourself, what benefit did the runner gain by staying off the base for so long? It’s not 9u where the fielder is likely going to drop the ball. The runner wasn’t going anywhere , so why did he stay off the base for so long?

What he should have done was simply get back to the bag right away and INT would not have ever been called unless he did something intentional to interfere. By lollygagfing off the base, he had to scamper back last second and in doing so; literally took out the fielder. Easy call.
 
Hey Ump,
What's the call?
This is a baseball forum, not sure if softball rules differ, but in baseball this is a “catch and carry”. Out on the batter, all runners advance one base (unless it’s the third out)
 
You talk about fans losing their minds. If this happened in the first game of a season there would be a riot. My dad coached my brother from T-ball all they through High school. He had the rule book memorized front to back for two reasons: 1) To use the rules to his advantage and 2) So he didn't hurt the team by arguing a correct call by the umpire(s).
 
If any part of the ball is not over the plate, it’s a ball in the OP proposed/questioned scenario.

That means it cuts off 3.8 inches of the plate on each side , 3.75 I guess, so it cuts off 7.5” of the plate.
Lol. Ok, let's see if this helps you visualize this. Assume a 0.1" gap between the ball & both sides - that means the ball would be totally within the plate, not even adjacent to the edge. That would still leave 17 - (0.1 * 2) = 16.8".

Doesn't really matter the diameter of the ball... Totally within the width of the plate would still mean the width is 17".
 
Folks..... Let's drop the semanitcs.

I think we all agree that the zone is the zone and if any part of the ball (no matter how big it is with regards to the respective sport) touches that zone....

It's a strike by rule.
 
Folks..... Let's drop the semanitcs.

I think we all agree that the zone is the zone and if any part of the ball (no matter how big it is with regards to the respective sport) touches that zone....

It's a strike by rule.
I think we can all agree strikes are the way to go and pitchers are not throwing enough of them.
 
Whose pitch count number ‘counts’ in tourney games? The pitchers’ team’s book? The opponent’s? Or is there a neutral bookkeeper?
 
Whose pitch count number ‘counts’ in tourney games? The pitchers’ team’s book? The opponent’s? Or is there a neutral bookkeeper?
The regulation requires each team to track all of their pitchers. If a discrepancy should arise, the umpires shall call time and get both coaches together to resolve the matter. If no agreement can be made, then the home book is used as the official record.

There are times, such as during regional and state contests that an “official scorekeeper” is charged with the duties. Even then, if a discrepancy occurs, all parties will convene to try to resolve the matter.
 
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Potential situation tonight, but didn't happen. I am not sure of the ruling if it did.

Base hit to CF. Ball comes in to the SS and then a lazy throw to the pitcher gets by him and the on deck batter isn't paying attention and the ball rolls by him and almost hits his foot before the catcher gets it as the Batter Runner then advances to 2B being aggressive reading the situation.

First thought is that if if would of hit the player accidentally, let the play resume.
 
The regulation requires each team to track all of their pitchers. If a discrepancy should arise, the umpires shall call time and get both coaches together to resolve the matter. If no agreement can be made, then the home book is used as the official record.

There are times, such as during regional and state contests that an “official scorekeeper” is charged with the duties. Even then, if a discrepancy occurs, all parties will convene to try to resolve the matter.
Dont forget the "get both coaches together to resolve the matter" is to promote a conversation between them and the umpires are not to get involved and any pitch count disputes.
 
Potential situation tonight, but didn't happen. I am not sure of the ruling if it did.

Base hit to CF. Ball comes in to the SS and then a lazy throw to the pitcher gets by him and the on deck batter isn't paying attention and the ball rolls by him and almost hits his foot before the catcher gets it as the Batter Runner then advances to 2B being aggressive reading the situation.

First thought is that if if would of hit the player accidentally, let the play resume.
This would be nothing unless there was some proceeding action by the on-deck batter which deliberately interfered with the catcher picking up the ball or trying to make a later play.

I had a similar play to this a few years ago except the batter on deck picked it up and thought it was a practice ball and threw it into the dugout so of course then we had a situation.
 
This would be nothing unless there was some proceeding action by the on-deck batter which deliberately interfered with the catcher picking up the ball or trying to make a later play.
The key being the action by the On Deck Hitter actually interferes with a play that is being made.

Many, including a good amount of umpires :mad: , think that the ODH merely picking the ball up constitutes interference. It does not.
I had a similar play to this a few years ago except the batter on deck picked it up and thought it was a practice ball and threw it into the dugout so of course then we had a situation.

The beauty of baseball..... as soon as you think you've seen it all...... you see something new.

And even after that...... it could be nothing more than a "don't do that again" situation.
 
Here's one.

Bases loaded, two outs.
Batter hits the ball to left, runner from third comes home, runner from second misses third while running home.
Defense throws the ball to third, field umpire calls him out for the third out.
Umpires allow the first run.

I say since the runner from second never touched third, it's a force, the same as the third baseman fielding the ball and stepping on third, thus nullifying the run.

What's your call?
 
Here's one.

Bases loaded, two outs.
Batter hits the ball to left, runner from third comes home, runner from second misses third while running home.
Defense throws the ball to third, field umpire calls him out for the third out.
Umpires allow the first run.

I say since the runner from second never touched third, it's a force, the same as the third baseman fielding the ball and stepping on third, thus nullifying the run.

What's your call?
If the appeal was legal, (no accidental appeals) the run does not count.
 
Here's one.

Bases loaded, two outs.
Batter hits the ball to left, runner from third comes home, runner from second misses third while running home.
Defense throws the ball to third, field umpire calls him out for the third out.
Umpires allow the first run.

I say since the runner from second never touched third, it's a force, the same as the third baseman fielding the ball and stepping on third, thus nullifying the run.

What's your call?
Interesting, touch of third is HPU responsibility, unless this was a playoff game with 4 umpires
 
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