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I know all levels have different rules but does the line extend out indefinitely over the sideline if the player is in bounds(talking last night OSU game). The Georgia kid kept his hand in bound but the ball was over the sideline. How does the spot get determined? I was under the assumption it was a first down when I saw the replay that he didn’t touch OOB but I really can’t find any rule that specifically addresses it.
 
NFHS 4.3.3

... the foremost point of the ball at the time the runner crosses the plane of the sideline.

Note that it is not when he touches OOB.
 
Altor said:
Looks like it was 2019.

Football Rules Changes - 2019

The NFHS is the national leader and advocate for high school athletics as well as fine and performing arts programs. Within our 51 member state associations, we serve 19,500 high schools and more than 12 million young people.
www.nfhs.org www.nfhs.org
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Having less than 7 on the line is only legal if you have fewer than 11 players on the field. Even by the new rule you have to have "no more than 4 backs". Look at slides 14 and 15 here: https://www.nmact.org/file/FB_PPt-19-20.pdf
 
Guard pulls on a power play and turns up through a hole to block a linebacker. Linebacker fills the hole and just before contact with the pulling guard the linebacker dives to the guard's legs and cuts them out creating a pile rather than engaging the guard. Is this legal in HS football? Settling an argument.
 
akron1 said:
Guard pulls on a power play and turns up through a hole to block a linebacker. Linebacker fills the hole and just before contact with the pulling guard the linebacker dives to the guard's legs and cuts them out creating a pile rather than engaging the guard. Is this legal in HS football? Settling an argument.
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Illegal block below the waist on the linebacker. The state has emphasized calling this when done to a lead blocker, usually another back, but in this case the guard.
 
Has anyone heard what the numbers are like for new refs? I heard more "advertising" last fall about becoming a ref and wondering if all the marketing helped...
 
Rush Limbaugh said:
Has anyone heard what the numbers are like for new refs? I heard more "advertising" last fall about becoming a ref and wondering if all the marketing helped...
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The usual indicator is who took the new officials course (which would be going on about now). But with the ability to take it online anytime, those numbers are less available without contacting the state or a local secretary who are the ones who get notified (or are supposed to) of newbies.
 
umpire16 said:
The usual indicator is who took the new officials course (which would be going on about now). But with the ability to take it online anytime, those numbers are less available without contacting the state or a local secretary who are the ones who get notified (or are supposed to) of newbies.
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Yeah, I have no idea. Probably not good if I had to guess.
 
bb9 said:
Yeah, I have no idea. Probably not good if I had to guess.
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I know in baseball and softball last time I looked - all arguments about quality and experience aside - we are about even now in that the number onboarded is about equivalent to the number who left in the last year (although the total number is still down ALOT since 2020).
 
[Context: Team ‘A’ is trailing with under a minute to go, completes pass in-bounds and is in a clear situation where a spike is to be expected.]

B1 (opposing nose tackle) bullrushes A1 (center) into A2 (QB) as the ball is snapped. A2 stumbles and fumbles, regains possession as B1 is bearing down and making contact with A2. A2 throttles the ball in a forward motion into the ground.

No whistle is sounded. Live ball.

The ball, trotting forward on the ground and landing about the LOS, is recovered by the defense. The crew convenes, a penalty flag is then tossed. Intentional Grounding. Team A retains possession.

Did they get this right? I thought the provision was made recently that the QB cannot be flagged for intentional grounding if contact is made by a defender.
 
The Dock said:
[Context: Team ‘A’ is trailing with under a minute to go, completes pass in-bounds and is in a clear situation where a spike is to be expected.]

B1 (opposing nose tackle) bullrushes A1 (center) into A2 (QB) as the ball is snapped. A2 stumbles and fumbles, regains possession as B1 is bearing down and making contact with A2. A2 throttles the ball in a forward motion into the ground.

No whistle is sounded. Live ball.

The ball, trotting forward on the ground and landing about the LOS, is recovered by the defense. The crew convenes, a penalty flag is then tossed. Intentional Grounding. Team A retains possession.

Did they get this right? I thought the provision was made recently that the QB cannot be flagged for intentional grounding if contact is made by a defender.
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Contact by the defender means nothing in either instance. I’m gonna assume they had an obvious spike attempt but since he didn’t do it immediately (bad snap), once he regained possession and tried it again it becomes IG. Nothing the defenders do makes any difference.

Take the whistles out of it as well. They can come
Together, talk and decide. Good job by those guys.

It looks funny but I think they got it right.
 
The Dock said:
[Context: Team ‘A’ is trailing with under a minute to go, completes pass in-bounds and is in a clear situation where a spike is to be expected.]

B1 (opposing nose tackle) bullrushes A1 (center) into A2 (QB) as the ball is snapped. A2 stumbles and fumbles, regains possession as B1 is bearing down and making contact with A2. A2 throttles the ball in a forward motion into the ground.

No whistle is sounded. Live ball.

The ball, trotting forward on the ground and landing about the LOS, is recovered by the defense. The crew convenes, a penalty flag is then tossed. Intentional Grounding. Team A retains possession.

Did they get this right? I thought the provision was made recently that the QB cannot be flagged for intentional grounding if contact is made by a defender.
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What do you mean by "throttles" ?
 
I've twice listened to the official explanation of the rule changes, and regarding penalty enforcement, oh my, what a mess.
 
AllSports12 said:
Gotcha.... Next question......

Did the bull rush interrupt the snap?
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Trying to find replay of it. I’ll link it in as soon as I can find it.

My recollection on the bull rush is the exchange between center and QB was initiated, but not finished, when the center gets driven into the QB (ball is in QB’s hands but still under Center’s hiney.) It was freakishly close. The replay will do it justice.
 
The Dock said:
Trying to find replay of it. I’ll link it in as soon as I can find it.

My recollection on the bull rush is the exchange between center and QB was initiated, but not finished, when the center gets driven into the QB (ball is in QB’s hands but still under Center’s hiney.) It was freakishly close. The replay will do it justice.
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No need..... This is an illegal forward pass (Intentional Grounding)

- Because the snap was muffed, the exception granted to the passer to legally ground the ball expires.
- There should have been a whistle on the play because we still have a forward pass,
 
I think The Dock was saying that the ref crew may have not whistled the play for an incompletion due to a potential fumble as opposed to a spike (aka, forward pass), and then the craw came together and decided it was an incompletion, but IG due to the snap being muffed. I think the question here is the following - with the snap being muffed, there is no longer the ability to legally "spike" the ball to kill the clock ... but does that ruling conflict with the high school interpretation about contact by the defense with the QB eliminating intentional grounding calls.
 
Rush Limbaugh said:
Is it true that the offensive holding penalty is being changed? It is no longer from the spot of the foul...
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The short answer is:

It is from the previous spot, if it occurs behind the line of scrimmage. If it's downfield, it's still from the spot of the foul.

I will allow someone else to provide all of the details
 
This was posted elsewhere as a 'how well do you know the rulebook? You make the call. Answer will be posted later' by a ref. I'll post the text of their question, and their answer. I think their answer is actually wrong. If their answer is right, can someone explain the qualifier that makes their answer correct?

Their Question said:
The offense has the ball at the opponent’s 9 yard line.
The Qb rolls to the left and fires a pass into the endzone.
The Corner picks it off in the endzone and starts to return it out. The intended WR strips the ball from the corner while in
the endzone and the balls rolls forward out of bounds at the 3. During the attempted return a linebacker blocks an offensive lineman below the waist at the 9.

What do we have?
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Their Answer said:
Per high school rules a fumble that rolls forward returns
to the spot of the fumble (end of the run) and in this case
that is the endzone. The offense will accept the penalty on the return team and it will be enforced from the end of the run (endzone).

As a result, the intercepting team will have a penalty in
their own endzone, thus this will be a safety.

If there had not been a penalty on the return, we would
have a touchback.
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The part that I think they have wrong on this is it being a safety. Their original question said the penalty occurred outside of the endzone, on the 9-yard line. Is the basic spot for penalty enforcement not the 20 yard-line in this situation?

If the penalty occurred in the end zone, it'd be a safety, yeah?
 
Football has so many variables on just one live ball play, like the example above. Those are absolutely the types of plays that should’ve part of a pregame, along with basic formation penalties.
 
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