MentorGrad2002
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Can anyone provide a possible depth chart to fill in for all of the seniors who have graduated ,?
Yeah my phone corrects it to that and I don't care about grammar on a message board. Thanks for the feedback though. Very valuablePublics. Not public’s. Sorry, I had to say it. Carry on.
This mentality is why these schools that do duck teams like Mentor and the privates will always be mediocre or worse. If you think you are beaten before you play the game then you won't ever improve as a program.It’s an interesting situation Mentor is in. I’m not sure why it’s so preposterous for teams to not want to play them. Take Kirtland for example. No one with similar enrollment chooses to play them, so they have to schedule up 2-3-4 divisions to get non-conference games. That isn’t an option for Mentor. Mentor is in the top 1% in enrollment, and the top 1% from a competitive standpoint of the top division. So why would a school with half or 2/3 their enrollment who really doesn’t have a chance to beat them schedule them? If you look at D1 R1, most of the players in that region are already on the schedule. Ed’s, Iggy, Euclid, Solon, Strongsville, Medina etc... once you start talking about teams 3-4 hours away I don’t know if you can consider that ducking. It may be that they feel they have a competitive enough schedule without the inconvenience of a 4+ hour trip.
What? Again- who?? You brought up Massillon (2 state final appearances in a row - not mediocre), Pick Central (2 of last 3 state championships with 2 wins over Mentor - not mediocre), Warren Harding who wouldn’t keep it within 50, and a bunch of schools 5 hours away. The only one that makes sense to me is McKinley, but if they already have games that they like why would they get out of those contracts? And if you’re 10th in enrollment out of 720 schools you’re in the top 1.3%. If you’re only talking D1 you shouldn’t bring up schools in lower divisions who are ducking you.This mentality is why these schools that do duck teams like Mentor and the privates will always be mediocre or worse. If you think you are beaten before you play the game then you won't ever improve as a program.
I've already shown how the enrollment claims are exaggerated and how mentor played better teams than them to get to the point they are now and rise up. But you guys will ignore it so it is what it is
Mentor is 10 in enrollment of 72 for the most recent year in D1. You flunked math if you get top one percent from that. And there are 5 or so and maybe more that are very close (like 30 or less boys ) to passing us too
The only school on the list that I said that wasn't d1 was Warren Harding. And they were D1 before the split The rest is made up in your headWhat? Again- who?? You brought up Massillon (2 state final appearances in a row - not mediocre), Pick Central (2 of last 3 state championships with 2 wins over Mentor - not mediocre), Warren Harding who wouldn’t keep it within 50, and a bunch of schools 5 hours away. The only one that makes sense to me is McKinley, but if they already have games that they like why would they get out of those contracts? And if you’re 10th in enrollment out of 720 schools you’re in the top 1.3%. If you’re only talking D1 you shouldn’t bring up schools in lower divisions who are ducking you.
I even said d1 publics in post 13. You can't read well. I'd play any solid d1 public.You learn to read- WHO?
So how about the schools that are very close to Mentor in enrollment? You guys are acting like Mentor is way out there for boys enrollment in D1. They aren't. 9 schools bigger. Another 5-6 very close like 30 boys or less. Schools like Medina that are like 871 vs 937 as well. It isn't like we are some behemoth that can't be matched for enrollment.Assuming MentorGrad is correct, 10th in enrollment would put Mentor in the top 13.89% of D1 but your way off base regarding enrollment differences: 900+ kids vs 700 is a difference. The OHSAA created the D1 top 72 schools due to complaints that the top tier schools were 2 times the enrollment of the smaller D1 schools (when there were approximately 110 schools in D1).
Regarding Pic Central & Mentor over the last 20 years both are very similar success wise except one glaring exception:
* Mentor has missed the playoffs 6 times, 5 State Runner Ups, 0 State Titles
* PC has missed the playoffs 2 times, 2 State Runner Ups, 2 State Titles
Stephen A. Smith wants his Thesaurus returned.It’s an interesting situation Mentor is in. I’m not sure why it’s so preposterous for teams to not want to play them. Take Kirtland for example. No one with similar enrollment chooses to play them, so they have to schedule up 2-3-4 divisions to get non-conference games. That isn’t an option for Mentor. Mentor is in the top 1% in enrollment, and the top 1% from a competitive standpoint of the top division. So why would a school with half or 2/3 their enrollment who really doesn’t have a chance to beat them schedule them? If you look at D1 R1, most of the players in that region are already on the schedule. Ed’s, Iggy, Euclid, Solon, Strongsville, Medina etc... once you start talking about teams 3-4 hours away I don’t know if you can consider that ducking. It may be that they feel they have a competitive enough schedule without the inconvenience of a 4+ hour trip.
2006 LC went down to Coffman and got killed. 2007 LC was a few plays away from beating Coffman and shocking the state. Just throwing it out there lol.Yeah I remember Coffman had a tough time finding a game so it was a one off road game with Lake Catholic In 2007 . Seems that year D-1 available teams said no to Them so it was what was available . 2009 same thing but they got a Canadien team to come down .
That 2007 team was the one that lost to St X in the semifinals by three points ending the game inside the X ten yard line . Only team to out gain X all year as they were 15-0 with a ton of D-1 kids on defense especially .
Pretty sure Coffman didn’t cherry pick Lake that year as the Rocks finished 13-1 . Just ran out of options that year . Mentor lost to St X the next week in the final by 4 touchdowns
As much as I hate teams dodging us I wouldn't want them forced to play us. It's their own loss. Mentor improved by playing teams like McKinley , Massillon , Solon , Ignatius etc when they were better than us. The teams avoiding these matchups like to have inflated regular season records and then lose in round 1 or 2. It's whateverMaybe it is time for Ohio to consider Districts?
Actually Mentor CHOSE to play St. Eds a couple years back when they rejected Avon's offer to schedule a game and scheduled Eds instead. I realize Avon is D2 and you said D1. But that was one area public school willing to play Mentor and Mentor chose the private instead. I think there was some talk on here about it but I think it was a one year game offer AT Avon without the return game at Mentor the next year.Pretty sad we can't get any Ohio public's to play us. Team Canada plus the 2 big privates out of conference
Going to be a lot more Catholic schools on our schedule if the gcc breaks up
Actually Mentor CHOSE to play St. Eds a couple years back when they rejected Avon's offer to schedule a game and scheduled Eds instead. I realize Avon is D2 and you said D1. But that was one area public school willing to play Mentor and Mentor chose the private instead. I think there was some talk on here about it but I think it was a one year game offer AT Avon without the return game at Mentor the next year.
What are you implying here ? The reason Mentor has trouble scheduling games is most publics won't play them. They aren't passing valid offers up. Avon getting a home game and us not getting one as well doesnt benefit us. Avon doesn't have the resume to demand we play them away and not get a return.“Mentor would schedule Avon over St Eds every single time.”
There’s the answer to why Mentor has a hard time scheduling games. Same exact thought process. Nothing wrong with that.
“Mentor would schedule Avon over St Eds every single time.”
There’s the answer to why Mentor has a hard time scheduling games. Same exact thought process. Nothing wrong with that.
I believe this was exactly the issue. This was the first game of the 2018 season. Avon already had 5 road games and was trying to find a home game to fill the schedule. The reason it was one year was because Avon already had a new series scheduled with Lorain beginning in 2019.What are you implying here ? The reason Mentor has trouble scheduling games is most publics won't play them. They aren't passing valid offers up. Avon getting a home game and us not getting one as well doesnt benefit us. Avon doesn't have the resume to demand we play them away and not get a return.
Well all the remaining SWC schools will be looking for new teams to schedule now that three teams have left. Maybe more will as well.I understand what you’re saying. I know why teams like South, North, Chardon, Riverside have no reason to schedule Mentor. There is nothing in it for them other than a slightly bigger gate. When I think of an area program that should schedule someone like Mentor, it would be a D1 team on the rise or a DII team with a schedule they normally handle with a 9-1/10-0 record that wants a challenge and can afford a loss. Or a third option is a program going nowhere that is fine settling for a pay day. Avon is one of the only teams that fit into one of those categories. The GCC makes up a good portion of D1 teams in greater Cleveland.
Mentor ponies up and plays St Ignatius every year, so I prefer not to have both on the schedule. I don’t think they are scared to play St Eds, I just think given another option they would take it. Especially a series like Avon that has so many positives.
FWIW, Berea did step up and schedule Mentor for the next two seasons. Good for them. What small playoff hopes they had are taking a hit when you factor adding another guaranteed loss compared to trying to add a team you can possibly beat.
If Mentor and Lake Catholic both end up independent in 2021 or 2022 and (more importantly) Mentor seems on the decline, I wonder if the two will engage in a discussion.