Weiskittle
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More fun to speculate about what could be, than what is!Why are we all trying to blow this league up? I don't understand the hate.
More fun to speculate about what could be, than what is!Why are we all trying to blow this league up? I don't understand the hate.
the OHC will welcome the pirates with open arms when the time comes.More fun to speculate about what could be, than what is!
It don't have anything to do with the coach. the last few years it wouldn't matter who was the coach. If you don't have the kids you don't have the kids. But for you to sit on here talking bad or blaming it on a coach because they are not winning tells me you must have a personal things with him. stop blaming the coaches all programs have ups and downs they are just on a down slide they are getting it together. Covington will be just fine in about a another year or two. I see where the kids get it at now if they don't win they want to blame a coach. last time I checked the coach don't play the game. if you're not winning try working harder and if your in a team sport take your friends with you to workouts.Was told that that Covington was in the upper 20s this year. With 22 freshman. What hit me about those numbers was last year that had 23 players with 3 seniors.
So that mean of the 20 kids that were left, around 5 are playing again….? So he they lost their whole team for the 3rd year in a row!
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I am not privy to Bucs coaching or the state of football program other than it has fallen off of the radar the past couple years but I will tell you this. COACHING DOES MATTER and it is absolutely reflective on player participation. It is great you know where the kids are now and the program looks to be coming together. Yes, coaches don't kick, punt, pass, catch, run, block or play the game but if a kid does not believe in what the current coach is saying, its all BS to them and the numbers fall. Lee Tressel, or someone else, said, "They dont care how much you know until the know how much you care." Take that to the bank and maybe that is what is going on in Covington...I dont know, I dont care but you must understand the coach is the absolute life blood of any program. The failures are his alone and the successes belong to infinite parts of the program...any quality coach knows this.It don't have anything to do with the coach. the last few years it wouldn't matter who was the coach. If you don't have the kids you don't have the kids. But for you to sit on here talking bad or blaming it on a coach because they are not winning tells me you must have a personal things with him. stop blaming the coaches all programs have ups and downs they are just on a down slide they are getting it together. Covington will be just fine in about a another year or two. I see where the kids get it at now if they don't win they want to blame a coach. last time I checked the coach don't play the game. if you're not winning try working harder and if your in a team sport take your friends with you to workouts.
I don't think anyone is bashing the coach because of wins and losses. I think the questions being raised are because it seems that the team is only made up of underclassmen and kids aren't sticking around. It still could not be a coaching issue and could be that two grades at the school don't like football, but from the outside looking in people can only draw conclusions on the little information they have.It don't have anything to do with the coach. the last few years it wouldn't matter who was the coach. If you don't have the kids you don't have the kids. But for you to sit on here talking bad or blaming it on a coach because they are not winning tells me you must have a personal things with him. stop blaming the coaches all programs have ups and downs they are just on a down slide they are getting it together. Covington will be just fine in about a another year or two. I see where the kids get it at now if they don't win they want to blame a coach. last time I checked the coach don't play the game. if you're not winning try working harder and if your in a team sport take your friends with you to workouts.
Hahahah he can’t get anyone to play for more than a year, who the heck else’s fault is it they can’t win?!It don't have anything to do with the coach. the last few years it wouldn't matter who was the coach. If you don't have the kids you don't have the kids. But for you to sit on here talking bad or blaming it on a coach because they are not winning tells me you must have a personal things with him. stop blaming the coaches all programs have ups and downs they are just on a down slide they are getting it together. Covington will be just fine in about an another year or two. I see where the kids get it at now if they don't win they want to blame a coach. last time I checked the coach don't play the game. if you're not winning try working harder and if your in a team sport take your friends with you to workouts.
I have heard some stories…. Lolthe OHC will welcome the pirates with open arms when the time comes.
baffles me that Riverside didn’t show up to the inaugural OHC meeting. they have to have regretted that decision.
When someone says its not the coach or refs fault, they are usually a coach or ref.Hahahah he can’t get anyone to play for more than a year, who the heck else’s fault is it they can’t win?!
Question for you. I went with a friend last year, he was scouting Indian Lake, but he kept making comments on your big Tackle. He was impressed and after picking up on him I would say he was a dominate force for the O line and was very active on D. Tall kid, lean, good wing span, active hands and good footwork. I dont remember is number nor did I see the roster to see his year but if he was a Sr....where did he go. If he was a Jr. oh my, this kid should be something special.
care to share?I have heard some stories…. Lol
He was a senior, he got 1st team all state. But he had no interest in college, had the ability to play at least D2 in my opinion though!Question for you. I went with a friend last year, he was scouting Indian Lake, but he kept making comments on your big Tackle. He was impressed and after picking up on him I would say he was a dominate force for the O line and was very active on D. Tall kid, lean, good wing span, active hands and good footwork. I dont remember is number nor did I see the roster to see his year but if he was a Sr....where did he go. If he was a Jr. oh my, this kid should be something special.
I would agree with that AS selection...he was impressive. D2, yes. He was a pleasure to watch... REALLY, the whole team, there is a lot of positive going on in De Graff. Forgive me for my pick of MU in the TRC but Riverside is my sentimental favorite....great place.He was a senior, he got 1st team all state. But he had no interest in college, had the ability to play at least D2 in my opinion though!
I have been around sports way too long for you to say it’s the coaches fault. If you truly love the sport, you will play pretty much, no matter what there are only a few really good high school coaches. But in most situations, it’s the program which draws the kids. Kids want to win and if they’re not going to win majority of them will either not play anymore or move to another school that will win. If I’m not mistaken, there was a lot of people that wanted Coach Goodwin to be fired from Marion local because the first couple years wasn’t what they wanted and he came in and was a hard . I don’t think he is any nicer now than he was 25 years ago. If you don’t have talent, I don’t care who is the coaches you’re not going to win But in the same if you have talent, more likely you’re going to win. You also referenced Wrestling you don’t have to have a good high school coach to win a state title seen it hundreds of times. In d6 high school football if you have one or two freak athletes, you’re going to win a lot of games, no matter who coaches you. Don’t mean you’re gonna win a state title. But I do know I’ve seen some really bad coaches winning state titles. Don’t mean they’re a good coach. Kids have to want it and yes, I will agree. You need a coach that can’t connect with them kids and keep them out but it is really hard to keep kids out. When you know you’re not going to be that good at it. It’s the same problem everywhere. The game is a lot easier on PlayStation than it is to get out and practice in real life.Whoa, whoa, whoa. I am not privy to Bucs coaching or the state of football program other than it has fallen off of the radar the past couple years but I will tell you this. COACHING DOES MATTER and it is absolutely reflective on player participation. It is great you know where the kids are now and the program looks to be coming together. Yes, coaches don't kick, punt, pass, catch, run, block or play the game but if a kid does not believe in what the current coach is saying, its all BS to them and the numbers fall. Lee Tressel, or someone else, said, "They dont care how much you know until the know how much you care." Take that to the bank and maybe that is what is going on in Covington...I dont know, I dont care but you must understand the coach is the absolute life blood of any program. The failures are his alone and the successes belong to infinite parts of the program...any quality coach knows this.
Since wrestling is in your user name...My kid was a DI college scholarship wrestler. During his HS he career grappled with the Graham, Troy Christian, LaSalle, Massillon and sometimes Blair kids every weekend during the offseason, open mats, season, conference, etc. (the comp doesn't get any better...agree?) He wrestled in no less than 300 matches per year since he was a 6th grader but in his words, "my HS coach sucked and never prepared me for what is out there and college was a grind knowing I had to catch up to the elite". Upon his college graduation he hated wrestling just knowing what he did not know but focused that as successful wrestling coach with several state champs. So when you say "it wouldn't matter who was the coach", yes, it really does matter.
I'm not sure what people in Maria Stein wanted if it wasn't a State Final Four and two State Championships in Goodwins first few years. And that's coming off a 3-7 record the year before he took over. Instead of defending the adult in the room and throwing the kids under the bus maybe take an honest assessment of the situation.I have been around sports way too long for you to say it’s the coaches fault. If you truly love the sport, you will play pretty much, no matter what there are only a few really good high school coaches. But in most situations, it’s the program which draws the kids. Kids want to win and if they’re not going to win majority of them will either not play anymore or move to another school that will win. If I’m not mistaken, there was a lot of people that wanted Coach Goodwin to be fired from Marion local because the first couple years wasn’t what they wanted and he came in and was a hard . I don’t think he is any nicer now than he was 25 years ago. If you don’t have talent, I don’t care who is the coaches you’re not going to win But in the same if you have talent, more likely you’re going to win. You also referenced Wrestling you don’t have to have a good high school coach to win a state title seen it hundreds of times. In d6 high school football if you have one or two freak athletes, you’re going to win a lot of games, no matter who coaches you. Don’t mean you’re gonna win a state title. But I do know I’ve seen some really bad coaches winning state titles. Don’t mean they’re a good coach. Kids have to want it and yes, I will agree. You need a coach that can’t connect with them kids and keep them out but it is really hard to keep kids out. When you know you’re not going to be that good at it. It’s the same problem everywhere. The game is a lot easier on PlayStation than it is to get out and practice in real life.
I forgot that Covington is the only community in western Ohio that has PlayStation… poor guy is coaching with one hand tied behind his back… lolI have been around sports way too long for you to say it’s the coaches fault. If you truly love the sport, you will play pretty much, no matter what there are only a few really good high school coaches. But in most situations, it’s the program which draws the kids. Kids want to win and if they’re not going to win majority of them will either not play anymore or move to another school that will win. If I’m not mistaken, there was a lot of people that wanted Coach Goodwin to be fired from Marion local because the first couple years wasn’t what they wanted and he came in and was a hard . I don’t think he is any nicer now than he was 25 years ago. If you don’t have talent, I don’t care who is the coaches you’re not going to win But in the same if you have talent, more likely you’re going to win. You also referenced Wrestling you don’t have to have a good high school coach to win a state title seen it hundreds of times. In d6 high school football if you have one or two freak athletes, you’re going to win a lot of games, no matter who coaches you. Don’t mean you’re gonna win a state title. But I do know I’ve seen some really bad coaches winning state titles. Don’t mean they’re a good coach. Kids have to want it and yes, I will agree. You need a coach that can’t connect with them kids and keep them out but it is really hard to keep kids out. When you know you’re not going to be that good at it. It’s the same problem everywhere. The game is a lot easier on PlayStation than it is to get out and practice in real life.
We’re not talking about a team not having the talent, we’re talking about the team barley existing!!! Covington has had more kids play for 1 year and quit in the last two years than they have on the roster this year!!I'm not sure what people in Maria Stein wanted if it wasn't a State Final Four and two State Championships in Goodwins first few years. And that's coming off a 3-7 record the year before he took over. Instead of defending the adult in the room and throwing the kids under the bus maybe take an honest assessment of the situation.
Well they were still wanting to get rid of him his first couple years. It wasn’t until he got to the state finals. Did things change around!
Who is throwing kids under the bus? That sounds like someone who wants to make more excuses. Every program goes through ups and downs, so does that mean the coach when it’s on the upside is really good but when it hits the downside, the coach is really bad and then if they’re lucky enough that the school didnt fire him to go on a upstream again, because he has some athletes again that their a really good coach again. Is the new Graham wrestling coach as good as Jeff Jordan or is the program established and he’s running off the athletes they already have. But he has to be a great coach he’s won a state title. When your team is losing, everybody wants to blame the coach or think that they could do a better job. Well we see it all the time in the pros as long as they’re doing good keep them around and they’re the greatest but if you don’t win, you’re terrible and need to go. Same thing with refs. If the calls go your way you like them and if the calls don’t go your way you want him fired. Here’s the bottom line. No one likes their team losing and someone always wants to blame somebody else for the reasoning. It takes time to build programs they’re not built overnight. As kids buy into a program it will get better for all. Probably one of the best things is if the parents could stay out of high school sports Most parents sit back and just criticize and cause more problems for that program and have no idea what they’re talking about. They get on Internet forms, chat rooms and just talking ton of garbage and they’ve probably never coached or refereed. Maybe not even played the game. And at the end of the day, I just don’t see all these applications to be a referee or applications to be a coach to give your time up for the pennies that they make. So they can be criticized bashed and told how they should have ran this play instead of that play how if you to play this kid here or that kid there you’d be better. If you think you can coach better join help out if you think you can ref better get your license we need more referees. Stop sitting on chat rooms acting like you know because you hear one side of a story or because you have no clue what is really going on and you just don’t like the coach because your son don’t play because he isn’t good enough. Or your son’s team isn’t winning because they’re not as good as you think they are. Stop blaming other people. Sometimes teams aren’t good. Sometimes they are. If you don’t have the athletes, I don’t care who coaches you are not winning.
You are correct, home side only, and it doesn't work. I think then they were in the NWCC and nobody travelled it wasn't as noticeable. when MU went there in 2021 it was a zoo. they basically give the home fans the center and south sections and the away fans get the north section.Finally on to TRC. Troy Christian. I was going up I-75 and for the life of me I never noticed it before but TC has one set of bleachers and they dont appear to be very big. I have been to other schools with a home only seating but they were 15-15 yard line and seemed to seat everyone. I have not been to a TC home game, so was curious to how this seating works out.
Yes blame the coach. It’s the easy way out.We’re not talking about a team not having the talent, we’re talking about the team barley existing!!! Covington has had more kids play for 1 year and quit in the last two years than they have on the roster this year!!
The one bright stop is they have 22 freshman, he may prove us all wrong but if you take recent trends they are going to have 10 Sophomores next year.
The bottom line is the coach is where the buck stops, and at the end of the day the coach is responsible, and it’s a freaking mess!
Oh yes, continue to blame the kids. You are such and inspiration.Yes blame the coach. It’s the easy way out.
There is so much wrong with this I dont know where to begin...but being the arsehole I am, I will try.I have been around sports way too long for you to say it’s the coaches fault. If you truly love the sport, you will play pretty much, no matter what there are only a few really good high school coaches. But in most situations, it’s the program which draws the kids. Kids want to win and if they’re not going to win majority of them will either not play anymore or move to another school that will win. If I’m not mistaken, there was a lot of people that wanted Coach Goodwin to be fired from Marion local because the first couple years wasn’t what they wanted and he came in and was a hard . I don’t think he is any nicer now than he was 25 years ago. If you don’t have talent, I don’t care who is the coaches you’re not going to win But in the same if you have talent, more likely you’re going to win. You also referenced Wrestling you don’t have to have a good high school coach to win a state title seen it hundreds of times. In d6 high school football if you have one or two freak athletes, you’re going to win a lot of games, no matter who coaches you. Don’t mean you’re gonna win a state title. But I do know I’ve seen some really bad coaches winning state titles. Don’t mean they’re a good coach. Kids have to want it and yes, I will agree. You need a coach that can’t connect with them kids and keep them out but it is really hard to keep kids out. When you know you’re not going to be that good at it. It’s the same problem everywhere. The game is a lot easier on PlayStation than it is to get out and practice in real life.
when cates left the team was going down. the new coach took over a program that was needing help. yes some kids have quite he also makes kids work some kids don't like to work. still you can say what you want you can blame the coach or whatever you want but really if your going to start blaming someone look right there at home. its the mom and dads telling the kids that its ok the coach sucks.Oh yes, continue to blame the kids. You are such and inspiration.
I guess the rest of us are wrong and must accept that there is something Inherently wrong with all the kids born between 2005 and 2008 in the 45318 zip code… how unfortunate :’(
When Cates left they still had a team.when cates left the team was going down. the new coach took over a program that was needing help. yes some kids have quite he also makes kids work some kids don't like to work. still you can say what you want you can blame the coach or whatever you want but really if your going to start blaming someone look right there at home. its the mom and dads telling the kids that its ok the coach sucks.
Dont you find it odd that kids can have gender reassignment procedures without parental consent or parental knowledge to their orientation, pronouns, etc. and in certain communities are allowed to vote at the age of 16 but somehow, parents, per your statement, can effect a kids decision when it comes to athletics?when cates left the team was going down. the new coach took over a program that was needing help. yes some kids have quite he also makes kids work some kids don't like to work. still you can say what you want you can blame the coach or whatever you want but really if your going to start blaming someone look right there at home. its the mom and dads telling the kids that its ok the coach sucks.
cate left because he knew what was happing everyone knew Covington was going to hit that wall they did and people want to jump ship. its ok. crying about it is not going to fix it. it don't matter who coached Covington in 2021 2022 you could have had a pro coach they were not going to win that many games don't mean the coach is bad. Covington best coaches by numbers have had a ton of kids quit under them all coaches see kids quit. you went from a very relaxed coach that had lost control of his team. to a new coach coming in setting rules for the 1st time in a while. Dave miller had the same problem when he went to Covington he had rules and some people don't like rules but the best part for Dave was he had kids like A.J makes you A little better of a coach WHEN YOU HAVE 11 STUDS
Those bad years they still had a team, his 2 JV wins last year over the same team don’t count as improvement. Tisdale didn’t forget how to coach, they went into a league that led to a decade of bad records, but I got news for you buddy… the TRC ain’t that conference, they would suck in the CCC with the teams they have had the last 2 years.OK, just off Covington’s coaching history, Larry Tisdale his first year he was 3-6 then next year 10-0 a few good year8-2 8-2 7-3 then drops to 5-4 then back to 10-0
The next year a new coach went 9-1 then 5-4 4-4 then 4-6 so then Larry Tisdale start coaching 9-1 10-1 10-1 but finishes his last two years with 6-3 and 3-7. He quit coaching then you have Charlie burgbacher come in almost every year is a losing record besides one. Where they go 11.-2. After year they went back to barely 500 or losing records so I’m just curious year they went 11 and two was he just a better coach? happens with Bob Riley as well mixed years some 4-6 years and then some 9-1 10-1 Don’t know what to think same coach but different out comes then you have coaches like peacock we’re his worst record is 9-1 But if it’s all coaching his assistant coach Kevin Finfrock then takes over 10-1 but then falls off 5-5 but then bounce back 9-2. The year they were five and five he must’ve been a bad coach. Then you have Dave Miller, who many could say arguably had some of the most talented kids. only has one season that looks kind of bad and it was a 6-5 year Then you have Ty Cates come in 11-1 but then drops off to 5-5 7-3 a 10-3 back to a 5-5 and your new coach Austin Morgan picks up 1-9 2-6
Well, I’m very confused. I see a lot of coaches have some really really good years and then hit some bad years and then have maybe hit a few more good years.
On almost every new Coach you have kids quit. And you have new kids come out every program hits the struggle bus. I’ve never seen it fixed by crying on the Internet and blaming the coaches. If that was the case, Larry Tisdale was on a downward ride while he was coaching. If on one of his off years they fired him how could he have won the state championships at the end of his 1st time coaching the year before we was 5-5 He wins a state championships stop coaching and the next year they go 9-1 but Rex can’t get past .500 after that but he was 9-1.
When Larry Tisdale comes back.Great years his last time coaching when he finished up he was a state champion this time when he finishes up coaching he is at 3-7. Did he forget how to coach? He was good but he wasn’t. He won his state title, but he also had some really bad years. Makes no sense to me. So he coached kids to win state but then a few years later coached them so bad they only won 3 games. Must be the coach and not the talent that the Coach has.