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Unbelievable ignorance
Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic spreads from China to US
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This kind of ignorant abuse of the data has repeatedly been shown to be wrong. Unless you adjust the results for demographic parameters that impact death rates the graph is completely useless unless the intent is to mislead people and support a lying narrative.
Not surprised in the least that a hack like ProV would post this.
ProV1
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It’s 100% accurate and it obviously makes you crazy.
Actually when frauds like you post this kind of nonsense it strengthens the rest of us who are trying to look at all things covid in a data based way. It doesn't take a statistician to understand how screwed up that graph is. And when fair and open minded folks are working their way through all the information on covid it helps those of us who want to discuss the topic honestly when people like you post such obvious misinformation.
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Risk vrs Reward
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Review of adverse events associated with COVID-19 vaccines, highlighting their frequencies and reported cases
This review examines the immunological and autoimmune adverse events associated with COVID-19 vaccines, highlighting their frequencies, reported cases, and associations with specific vaccine classes. The concept of vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia ...
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ProV1
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Challenge it with facts not your blubbering BS.
Yappi
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Covid DID come from Wuhan lab, says new analysis of patients, records and virus' makeup
New study reveals COVID-19 most likely originated in a lab
Researchers from Australia and Arizona used a risk analysis tool to determine the chances that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was of 'unnatural' origin.
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I believe that will be proven.Covid DID come from Wuhan lab, says new analysis of patients, records and virus' makeup
New study reveals COVID-19 most likely originated in a lab
Researchers from Australia and Arizona used a risk analysis tool to determine the chances that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was of 'unnatural' origin.www.dailymail.co.uk
Fact #1: Unless you take into account and correct for demographic imbalances that impact death rates these types of analysis are completely useless.
Fact #2: The designation of a covid "death" is not a useful description of mortality as they include those that died WITH covid and those that died because of covid. This makes Fact #1 even more critical.
Fact #3: Using Red State/Blue State descriptors to analyze the data is wrong because even in the reddest red state one third of the people are democrats who voted for Hillary & Biden. Just because the state is red does not mean that the grater death rate is among MAGA people given the still huge number of democrats in these states. It's like violent crime data were people use the same incorrect Red/Blue State analysis to show murders are higher in red states. However, further analysis shows that the majority of these red state murders occur in deeply democrat urban enclaves within the red state.
You are aware that covid vaccine hesitancy is higher among African Americans then it is even among Trump supporters?
So the facts support without reservation that people who share data like the graph you posted above are either: ignorant of statistics and/or deliberately lying about the data to push an ideological point.
A nice take on Dr Don Henderson who told us how to handle covid but the government "experts" ignored him:
www.thefp.com
In 2006, ten years before his death at the age of 87, the legendary epidemiologist D.A. Henderson laid out a plan for how public health officials should respond to a major influenza pandemic. It was published in a small journal that focused mainly on bioterrorism—and was quickly forgotten.
As it turns out, that paper, titled “Disease Mitigation Measures in the Control of Pandemic Influenza,” was Henderson’s prescient bequest to the future. If we had followed his advice, our country—indeed, our world—could have avoided its disastrous response to Covid.
This month marks the four-year anniversary of lockdowns on a global scale. And though the pandemic has passed, its consequences live on. The lockdowns embraced by the U.S. public-health establishment meant that millions of young people had their education and social development disrupted, or left school for good. Mental health problems rose substantially. So did incidents of domestic violence and overdose deaths.
It didn’t have to be that way.
Last year, Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health during the pandemic, said at a conference, “If you’re a public health person, you have this narrow view of what the right decision is. . . . you attach infinite value to stopping the disease and saving a life. You attach zero value to whether this actually totally disrupts people’s lives [or] ruins the economy. This is a public health mindset.”
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the chief medical adviser to the president during much of the pandemic, was asked in the fall of 2022 whether he regretted his advocacy of lockdowns. He said, “Sometimes when you do draconian things, it has collateral negative consequences. . . on the economy, on the schoolchildren.” But, he added, “the only way to stop something cold in its tracks is to try and shut things down.”
It’s no secret that Fauci’s draconian recommendations did nothing to stop the virus, nor did closing schools save children’s lives. And the idea asserted by Collins and Fauci that public health is about a single metric—stopping a disease, no matter the unintended consequences—was an inversion of the principles espoused by D.A. Henderson.
Public health, as Henderson knew well, is very much about the entire health of society. A lifetime of watching people react to pandemics had taught him two essential things.
First, there were limits to what can be done to stop one. As Dr. Tara O’Toole, a close colleague and one of his three co-authors on that 2006 paper told me, “D.A. kept saying, ‘You have to be practical, and you have to be humble, about what public health can actually do, especially over sustained periods. Society is complicated, and you don’t get to control it.’ ” (While the paper dealt with influenza, its lessons applied to what we faced with the novel coronavirus.)
Second, Henderson believed in targeted protection for the ill and medically vulnerable, and that overreacting, in the form of shutting down society, would bring enormous harm that could be worse than the virus.
The Prophets: D.A. Henderson
Years before Covid, the scientist credited with eradicating smallpox warned against shutting down the world to combat an epidemic.
www.thefp.com
In 2006, ten years before his death at the age of 87, the legendary epidemiologist D.A. Henderson laid out a plan for how public health officials should respond to a major influenza pandemic. It was published in a small journal that focused mainly on bioterrorism—and was quickly forgotten.
As it turns out, that paper, titled “Disease Mitigation Measures in the Control of Pandemic Influenza,” was Henderson’s prescient bequest to the future. If we had followed his advice, our country—indeed, our world—could have avoided its disastrous response to Covid.
This month marks the four-year anniversary of lockdowns on a global scale. And though the pandemic has passed, its consequences live on. The lockdowns embraced by the U.S. public-health establishment meant that millions of young people had their education and social development disrupted, or left school for good. Mental health problems rose substantially. So did incidents of domestic violence and overdose deaths.
It didn’t have to be that way.
Last year, Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health during the pandemic, said at a conference, “If you’re a public health person, you have this narrow view of what the right decision is. . . . you attach infinite value to stopping the disease and saving a life. You attach zero value to whether this actually totally disrupts people’s lives [or] ruins the economy. This is a public health mindset.”
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the chief medical adviser to the president during much of the pandemic, was asked in the fall of 2022 whether he regretted his advocacy of lockdowns. He said, “Sometimes when you do draconian things, it has collateral negative consequences. . . on the economy, on the schoolchildren.” But, he added, “the only way to stop something cold in its tracks is to try and shut things down.”
It’s no secret that Fauci’s draconian recommendations did nothing to stop the virus, nor did closing schools save children’s lives. And the idea asserted by Collins and Fauci that public health is about a single metric—stopping a disease, no matter the unintended consequences—was an inversion of the principles espoused by D.A. Henderson.
Public health, as Henderson knew well, is very much about the entire health of society. A lifetime of watching people react to pandemics had taught him two essential things.
First, there were limits to what can be done to stop one. As Dr. Tara O’Toole, a close colleague and one of his three co-authors on that 2006 paper told me, “D.A. kept saying, ‘You have to be practical, and you have to be humble, about what public health can actually do, especially over sustained periods. Society is complicated, and you don’t get to control it.’ ” (While the paper dealt with influenza, its lessons applied to what we faced with the novel coronavirus.)
Second, Henderson believed in targeted protection for the ill and medically vulnerable, and that overreacting, in the form of shutting down society, would bring enormous harm that could be worse than the virus.
Omega
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Doctor Blows Whistle on Cancer Rates: 'Vaccinated Are Dying'
A top pathologist said reports of exploding cancer rates across the world is due to the COVID-19 vaccine roll out
disswire.com
No way the denizens of Yappi can prove or disprove the claims made in the article. Yet should all of us be concerned that our benevolent government and its bankrolled scientific community consider the efficacy of the mRna vaccines to be settled science ?
cabezadecaballo
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The Teachers' Unions did this.
Doctor Blows Whistle on Cancer Rates: 'Vaccinated Are Dying'
A top pathologist said reports of exploding cancer rates across the world is due to the COVID-19 vaccine roll out
No way the denizens of Yappi can prove or disprove the claims made in the article. Yet should all of us be concerned that our benevolent government and its bankrolled scientific community consider the efficacy of the mRna vaccines to be settled science ?
Cancer rate not up 20 times from COVID-19 vaccines
Following news last week of President Joe Biden’s initiative to cut the cancer death rate in half within 25 years, a false claim began circulating on social media that attempts to link the COVID-19 vaccine to cancer rates.
apnews.com
Hammerdrill
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Did you read both articles?Cancer rate not up 20 times from COVID-19 vaccines
Following news last week of President Joe Biden’s initiative to cut the cancer death rate in half within 25 years, a false claim began circulating on social media that attempts to link the COVID-19 vaccine to cancer rates.
cabezadecaballo
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Why is it so hard to compensate people for serious vaccine side effects?
Though very rare, complications from shots can shatter lives and trust. Now the federal programs designed to help them are struggling with COVID-19.
www.nationalgeographic.com
Law Professor Glen Reynolds (instapundit) asks why hasn't Fauci and others been punished for their negligence?
nypost.com
We just passed the fourth anniversary of “15 Days To Slow the Spread,” the start of the COVID lockdowns that did damage from which we still haven’t recovered.
I’m embarrassed to admit I fell for it.
I was a COVID hawk in the early days. It seemed right at the time.
The Chinese called it a “grave” threat, and they almost always downplayed bad things in China.
There were reports of death rates ranging from 4% to 10%.
As new information became available professor Reynolds:
But since I followed the data instead of the governmental diktats, I changed my mind pretty quickly.
Because I became skeptical, Google demonetized my blog — which is a bigger punishment than any lockdown advocate or enforcer has faced, despite being wrong, arrogant and guilty of causing great harm.
The “expert” class blew it, sold out or gloried in putting people under its thumb.
And it paid no price.
Next time — and there will be a next time — ignore those people.
And if they won’t let you ignore them, make them.
Four years on, COVID damage remains while Fauci & Co. pay no price
We just passed the fourth anniversary of “15 Days To Slow the Spread,” the start of the COVID lockdowns that did damage from which we still haven’t recovered.
nypost.com
We just passed the fourth anniversary of “15 Days To Slow the Spread,” the start of the COVID lockdowns that did damage from which we still haven’t recovered.
I’m embarrassed to admit I fell for it.
I was a COVID hawk in the early days. It seemed right at the time.
The Chinese called it a “grave” threat, and they almost always downplayed bad things in China.
There were reports of death rates ranging from 4% to 10%.
As new information became available professor Reynolds:
But since I followed the data instead of the governmental diktats, I changed my mind pretty quickly.
Because I became skeptical, Google demonetized my blog — which is a bigger punishment than any lockdown advocate or enforcer has faced, despite being wrong, arrogant and guilty of causing great harm.
The “expert” class blew it, sold out or gloried in putting people under its thumb.
And it paid no price.
Next time — and there will be a next time — ignore those people.
And if they won’t let you ignore them, make them.
New York Times admits the truth about COVID school closures and the long-term harms of fear-based decision-making | Blaze Media
The New York Times is admitting to the extensive, long-term damage of COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns on schoolchildren and their learning.Four years after politicians shut down schools, the New York Times published a new analysis on Monday admitting there is "broad acknowledgment among many public...
www.theblaze.com
From the Times:
Second, the so-called "newspaper of record" found that students in lower socio-economic situations experienced steeper learning losses than students from more affluent backgrounds.
"That is notable because poor districts were also more likely to stay remote for longer," the Times reported, explaining that the country's largest poor school districts are located in Democrat-controlled cities that used heavy-handed approaches to the pandemic.
Third, the Times found that short-term school closures did not exempt students from learning loss — and other significant problems.
And look at this:
"Some schools, often in Republican-led states and rural areas, reopened by fall 2020. Others, typically in large cities and states led by Democrats, would not fully reopen for another year," the newspaper stated.
Given the data presented in the article, what that really means is: Republican-controlled states generally handled the pandemic correctly by limiting closures, while Democrat-controlled states — influenced by the "experts," teachers unions, and corporate media — dropped the ball.
Hammerdrill
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Saw a poll recently where only 41% of Dems think the pandemic is over. 
SayMyName
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Saw a poll recently where only 41% of Dems think the pandemic is over.
I didn't read the article, but I saw a headline last week about a pandemic that lasted thousands of years. I thought it was odd, now it makes sense.Saw a poll recently where only 41% of Dems think the pandemic is over.
Gamma Gobbler
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And you may find the one scheduled to start in August will last until December....
Hammerdrill
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21% of Rs still think it’s a thing. That’s terrible too.
BGFalcons82
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Omega
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So you accept the mRna covid shots to be safe, effective, and thoroughly vetted under the highest of scientific standards?Cancer rate not up 20 times from COVID-19 vaccines
Following news last week of President Joe Biden’s initiative to cut the cancer death rate in half within 25 years, a false claim began circulating on social media that attempts to link the COVID-19 vaccine to cancer rates.
Never forget and never forgive!
townhall.com
I have long been wary of politicians, but even I was surprised at how authoritarian many were eager to be.
Some demanded police to go after people surfing. They took down the rims of basketball hoops. Children's playgrounds were taped up like crime scenes. They told people in rural Utah and Wyoming to stay in their homes.
In the name of safety, politicians did many things that diminished our lives, without making us safer.
They complied with teachers unions' demand to keep schools closed. Kids' learning has been set back by years.
Politicians destroyed jobs by closing businesses. Some shutdown orders were ridiculous. Landscaping businesses and private campgrounds were forced to shut down.
And this:
Michigan's Gov. Gretchen Whitmer banned "public and private gatherings of any size." Residents were told they could not see friends or relatives.
Many of her rules seemed random. She banned motorboats and jet skis, but allowed kayaks and canoes. She closed small businesses, but exempted big-box stores if they blocked off aisles offering plant nurseries and paint. Why?
Even the CDC's "six-foot rule" under Trump was arbitrary, says former FDA commissioner, Dr. Scott Gottlieb. Covid travels in aerosols that flow much farther than six feet.
When some Americans became fed up and protested, they were vilified for "threatening the public." Some were fined. A few were arrested.
It's clear now that restrictive rules were not the best way to protect people.
Sweden took a near opposite approach. They mostly left people alone.
Swedish officials encouraged the elderly and other at-risk people to stay home.
But beyond that, they let life carry on as normal. Sweden didn't impose lockdowns, school closures or mask mandates.
'15 Days to Slow the Spread'
townhall.com
I have long been wary of politicians, but even I was surprised at how authoritarian many were eager to be.
Some demanded police to go after people surfing. They took down the rims of basketball hoops. Children's playgrounds were taped up like crime scenes. They told people in rural Utah and Wyoming to stay in their homes.
In the name of safety, politicians did many things that diminished our lives, without making us safer.
They complied with teachers unions' demand to keep schools closed. Kids' learning has been set back by years.
Politicians destroyed jobs by closing businesses. Some shutdown orders were ridiculous. Landscaping businesses and private campgrounds were forced to shut down.
And this:
Michigan's Gov. Gretchen Whitmer banned "public and private gatherings of any size." Residents were told they could not see friends or relatives.
Many of her rules seemed random. She banned motorboats and jet skis, but allowed kayaks and canoes. She closed small businesses, but exempted big-box stores if they blocked off aisles offering plant nurseries and paint. Why?
Even the CDC's "six-foot rule" under Trump was arbitrary, says former FDA commissioner, Dr. Scott Gottlieb. Covid travels in aerosols that flow much farther than six feet.
When some Americans became fed up and protested, they were vilified for "threatening the public." Some were fined. A few were arrested.
It's clear now that restrictive rules were not the best way to protect people.
Sweden took a near opposite approach. They mostly left people alone.
Swedish officials encouraged the elderly and other at-risk people to stay home.
But beyond that, they let life carry on as normal. Sweden didn't impose lockdowns, school closures or mask mandates.
cabezadecaballo
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Never forget and never forgive!
'15 Days to Slow the Spread'
I have long been wary of politicians, but even I was surprised at how authoritarian many were eager to be.
Some demanded police to go after people surfing. They took down the rims of basketball hoops. Children's playgrounds were taped up like crime scenes. They told people in rural Utah and Wyoming to stay in their homes.
In the name of safety, politicians did many things that diminished our lives, without making us safer.
They complied with teachers unions' demand to keep schools closed. Kids' learning has been set back by years.
Politicians destroyed jobs by closing businesses. Some shutdown orders were ridiculous. Landscaping businesses and private campgrounds were forced to shut down.
And this:
Michigan's Gov. Gretchen Whitmer banned "public and private gatherings of any size." Residents were told they could not see friends or relatives.
Many of her rules seemed random. She banned motorboats and jet skis, but allowed kayaks and canoes. She closed small businesses, but exempted big-box stores if they blocked off aisles offering plant nurseries and paint. Why?
Even the CDC's "six-foot rule" under Trump was arbitrary, says former FDA commissioner, Dr. Scott Gottlieb. Covid travels in aerosols that flow much farther than six feet.
When some Americans became fed up and protested, they were vilified for "threatening the public." Some were fined. A few were arrested.
It's clear now that restrictive rules were not the best way to protect people.
Sweden took a near opposite approach. They mostly left people alone.
Swedish officials encouraged the elderly and other at-risk people to stay home.
But beyond that, they let life carry on as normal. Sweden didn't impose lockdowns, school closures or mask mandates.
Ron Paul's "15 days" anniversary observances
e-copy of Thomas Woods "Diary of Covid" linked on Paul's Twitter. Never forget and never forgive
Safe as another drug on the market … every drug has a small percentage of side effects … just listen to any drug commercial on TV
cabezadecaballo
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Sure, change your body chemistry a little with an added chemical compound, compared to manipulating your messenger RNA to make your cells act differently….what’s the difference ?
Geez, you’re an idiot @joesports
Geez, you’re an idiot @joesports
Come on man there is no such thing as "safe as another drug on the market". Every drug has it's own safety profile. Some drugs have serious side effects and others are as benign as water.