What state has the Best High School Football?

What state has the Best High School Football?

  • Ohio

    Votes: 90 72.6%
  • Florida

    Votes: 6 4.8%
  • Calafornia

    Votes: 4 3.2%
  • Texas

    Votes: 24 19.4%

  • Total voters
    124
Football and facilities

I have to echo Ridges comments. Almost every team has a great field and facilities. Not just 10 or so teams.
I will say it again, even though Texas has more D-1 kids they are spread out over more teams than a smaller state. Take away the very special teams (04 Colerain, SLC) and I really believe that the states stack up pretty good. I do believe as a whole our smaller divisions play better (Although Mooney fans would disagree, but Mooney is no ordinary team)
People talk about the pressure put on coaches at say, Massillon and Eds and I chuckle because it is like that at every school down here. Lose and you have to face the whole town. It can get real ugly, even in small towns.
 
Findlay is no where near Cincinatti?

It's Exit 156 on I-75. It's a 2.5 hour drive. I doubt 750 fans made the trip. It was a historic moment for the Findlay program, which I would have expected a larger turnout for the game. If the Herbie was in Texas Stadium, I am comfortable in saying 4,000+ would have traveled 185 miles from Texarkana for the game.

Interesting, as we discuss which state has the best football - whose fans will travel? I take the comment above as fans will not travel to follow their teams.

Texas High's closest district game is 60 miles away. 3 of its opponents are 90 miles away and 1 is 120 miles away. On a Friday night, Texas High probably had 2,000+ travel the 120 miles to play a winless team in district.
 
I believe you, and I am not discrediting Ohio ball one bit.
However, if you look at it objectively on what TX does compared to the other 49 states, I do not think it can be disputed that Ohio is 2nd when it comes to high school football craze.

TX allocates more resources to High school football - And that all comes from the community.

-indoor practice facilities
-state of the art stadiums
-Grass fields are practically obsolete - Everyone has field turf.
-State of the art video equipment for scouting. Win - Win - Win


The reason TX can afford high priced ridiculous stadiums is because of community support.
The reason the High school head coaches make from 65,000 to 110,000 and do not teach a class is because of community support and the absolute demand for a winner. The community pays for the Stadiums as well as coaches salaries.

It's VERY SIMPLE - The Demand for a great high school team is there, so resources (supplies) are spent to ensure that.

When the TX High school playoffs comes around - if your team makes it - it is absolute hysteria in that community.

I've been a part of both Ohio and Texas high school football, and although Texas does get the nod with the resources, going to an actual game seems kinda...bleh. Reminds me of a pro basketball game (although i've only been to one basketball game), where most people sit on their hands for most of the game and will clap after a play. The students just walk around and talk, more of a social event than a sporting one.

The atmosphere just doenst seem to be existant, which is a shame because Texas high school football is exciting, very high scoring and very fast. There are a lot of people at these games...but nothing really seems to happen.

The most exciting game I've seen in Texas wasn't even from the public league(?), but from TAPPS (texas something something something....basically private schools).

Maybe I've been watching the wrong games, but I've seen a bunch of high profile schools that pretty much disappointed me.
 
Findlay was 0-4 going into the game and was to play one of the better teams in Texas (#1 or #2 4A team at the time?). Forgive Findlay for not being more in the mood.
 
It is a myth that all HS games in Texas are well attended and have a boisterous crowd. I have been to plenty that prove this fact. To say that:

The atmosphere just doenst seem to be existant, which is a shame because Texas high school football is exciting, very high scoring and very fast. There are a lot of people at these games...but nothing really seems to happen.

is silly. You woud have to go out of your way to find "high profile schools" where there wasn't a good following and atmosphere.
 
I went to an Austin Westlake home game, which I consider to be pretty high profile considering their run this year in the championship, and (from what i hear...i just moved to Austin) they have a pretty good history. And thats basically what I noticed there. It was worse at other games I attended...but the Westlake game didn't blow my mind.
 
I went to an Austin Westlake home game, which I consider to be pretty high profile considering their run this year in the championship, and (from what i hear...i just moved to Austin) they have a pretty good history. And thats basically what I noticed there. It was worse at other games I attended...but the Westlake game didn't blow my mind.

Doesn't blow my mind does not equate to "doesn't seem to be existant".

I ahve been to several Westlake games, but not any in 15 years. I never thought the crowds were that great. Not terrible, but certainly nothing special. HS football around Austin is typically not that good w/the exception of WL. That has changed recently, especially in some lower classifications.
 
What I meant is that Westlake didnt exactly blow my mind...i appologize, sleep deprival...gotta love it...by the way, do you know anything about A&M consolidated? Was thinking about checking them while im up here in college station.
 
It is a myth that all HS games in Texas are well attended and have a boisterous crowd. I have been to plenty that prove this fact. To say that:

There is no myth who said ALL high school games are well attended in Texas?

We have more support, following and overall football craze than any other state.

I don't think anyone made the claim that ALL TX high school games are well attended.
 
There is no myth who said ALL high school games are well attended in Texas?

We have more support, following and overall football craze than any other state.
I don't think anyone made the claim that ALL TX high school games are well attended.

Fine, simply produce anything to prove your above bolded comment. Facts, like attendance figures would do fine.


Thanks in advance
 
Fine, simply produce anything to prove your above bolded comment. Facts, like attendance figures would do fine.


Thanks in advance

Here is one of my previous posts

"TX allocates more resources to High school football - And that all comes from the community.

-indoor practice facilities
-state of the art stadiums
-Grass fields are practically obsolete - Everyone has field turf.
-State of the art video equipment for scouting.


The reason TX can afford high priced ridiculous stadiums is because of community support.
The reason the High school head coaches make from 65,000 to 110,000 and do not teach a class is because of community support and the absolute demand for a winner. The community pays for the Stadiums as well as coaches salaries.

It's VERY SIMPLE - Who pays for the stadiums and indoor facilities that are unparalleled by any other state? Who pays these ridiculous coaching salaries that are not equaled by any other state as a whole?

Answer - -
THE COMMUNITY - More community support - more community involvement
That equals the craze that I refer to.


It is a myth that all HS games in Texas are well attended and have a boisterous crowd. I have been to plenty that prove this fact. To say that:


Fine, simply produce anything to prove your above bolded comment. Facts, like attendance figures would do fine.

Thanks in advance

I think this quote pretty much weakens your credibility
I ahve been to several Westlake games, but not any in 15 years.
 
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Fine, simply produce anything to prove your above bolded comment. Facts, like attendance figures would do fine.

Thanks in advance

I think this quote pretty much weakens your credibility

How many WL games have you ever been to? The last one I was at was in '94. How does that weaken my credibility?

Do you want me to stick to 5A attendance?
 
Here's a list of where this year's Pro Bowlers (offense and defense only, sorry special teamers) went to high school.

Pro Bowlers
1. California, 13
2. Texas, 11
3. Florida, 10
4. Alabama, 6
5. Georgia and North Carolina, 5 each
6. Virginia, 4
7. Oklahoma, Michigan, Tennessee, Louisiana, Maryland, Pennsylvania, 3 each
8. Washington, D.C., Arkansas, 2 each
 
The opportunity cost of going to a game in a lot of towns in Texas is probably much lower than the opportunity cost of going to a game in a lot of towns in Ohio or, say, California.

So maybe someone from Ohio or California going to a game could be considered more passionate about football than someone going to a game in Texas.

After all, taking the bus to work is only evidence of a possible passion for taking buses if you don't have another way to get there (or a shot at another job that doesn't require the bus).

And the last (and only) Austin Westlake game I saw was in 1990, since we seem to be keeping tabs on this for everyone.
 
The opportunity cost of going to a game in a lot of towns in Texas is probably much lower than the opportunity cost of going to a game in a lot of towns in Ohio or, say, California.

So maybe someone from Ohio or California going to a game could be considered more passionate about football than someone going to a game in Texas.

That is a huge reach - But hey - at least you tried.
 
Do you want me to stick to 5A attendance?


Of course -

However, I sincerely don't wish for you to was time looking up 5A attendance. Thats just stupid.

Find the lowest Texas 5A Attendances of last year then compare them to the highest of Ohio and Voila - STATS can be manipulated to prove almost any point.

Pied you are just wrong - face it
 
You made a ridiculously vague assertion, even for an internet message board.

I pointed out how ridiculously vague it was (by mentioning one component of it, among many, that was open to wide interpretation).

Pied attempted (as I see it) to get you to tighten it up.

You did neither.

You make Naughty look like Clarence Darrow.
 
Naughty,

Please do not take offense.

We (or I, anyway) will miss you next year when Lakeland goes 4-6 (but makes the playoffs anyway because they are in a 3- or 4-team district or whatever it is).
 
Of course -

However, I sincerely don't wish for you to was time looking up 5A attendance. Thats just stupid.

Find the lowest Texas 5A Attendances of last year then compare them to the highest of Ohio and Voila - STATS can be manipulated to prove almost any point.

Pied you are just wrong - face it

How is the world am I wrong?

Please read my statement again.

It is a myth that all HS games in Texas are well attended and have a boisterous crowd. I have been to plenty that prove this fact.

You actually copied that and bolded it. I assume you read it. What does that statement have to do w/Ohio attendance figures?

You seem to have a problem. You claim that because I have not been to a Westlake game in fifteen years that my "credibility" should be weakened. huh???

I am not a Westlake fan and live about 200 miles from the school. How often should I make the trip down to see them to maintain my credibility. If my memory serves me correctly, the last game I saw them play was at SWT stadium to face Wes Danaher and CC Calallen. I saw severl games at Chaparral Stadium when I was at UT.

I watched them play Cooper on TV when Brees was there, and again last eyar on TV.

How many times have you seen them live, and when was the last time. Apparently, seeing them recently is a requirement to have an opinion on Texas HS football.
 
I'd be very hard pressed to believe that other states have the football attendance that Texas has. I don't know where to get attendance figures so I'll have to rely on other evidence.

1. Over on the main Yappi board there was a discussion of the very low attendance during the 2006 Ohio playoffs. The discussion was that attendance was very low with most games having under 18,000 attending (some much less). I've been to dozens of playoff games in Texas (granted most are SLC games) and attendance averages 25,000-30,000 with many games over 30,000 with a high of 55,000+ this year.

2. I've seen games from Alabama, Florida, and California on TV. Every game was a big game for it to even be on TV. I was shocked to see how low attendance was at every game. The stadiums and crowds were much, much smaller than what I'm used to in Texas.

3. Texas clearly has the best facilities. I'd bet there are 100+ high school stadiums in Texas that hold 10,000-20,000+. Every other state only has a handful of high school stadiums that large. The stadiums in Texas wouldn't be built if they were not needed. The national powers from other states have much, much smaller stadiums (DLS, Colerain, StX, Lakeland, Warren Central, Independence Charlotte, etc., etc.)
 
I'd be very hard pressed to believe that other states have the football attendance that Texas has. I don't know where to get attendance figures so I'll have to rely on other evidence.

1. Over on the main Yappi board there was a discussion of the very low attendance during the 2006 Ohio playoffs. The discussion was that attendance was very low with most games having under 18,000 attending (some much less). I've been to dozens of playoff games in Texas (granted most are SLC games) and attendance averages 25,000-30,000 with many games over 30,000 with a high of 55,000+ this year.-SLC certainly generates a big following. I do doubt the avg of 25-30K. I know against Lufkin that the stadium only held 14,575 max. The Plano/Abilene/and obviously Trinity games had a bunch. I undertand the title game in the Alamodome was a little underwhelming, ubderstandably in my opinion. These games do not mean that every playoff game is a sell out. I have been to plenty in TX Stsdium alone w/less than 5,000.

2. I've seen games from Alabama, Florida, and California on TV. Every game was a big game for it to even be on TV. I was shocked to see how low attendance was at every game. The stadiums and crowds were much, much smaller than what I'm used to in Texas.-I would genereally agree with that comment.

3. Texas clearly has the best facilities. I'd bet there are 100+ high school stadiums in Texas that hold 10,000-20,000+. Every other state only has a handful of high school stadiums that large. The stadiums in Texas wouldn't be built if they were not needed. The national powers from other states have much, much smaller stadiums (DLS, Colerain, StX, Lakeland, Warren Central, Independence Charlotte, etc., etc.)-I would also agree with that statement.

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Interesting article in the DMN yesterday. I totally missed it. Kind of goes to all the points.

Playoff triple-header results in big payday


11:58 PM Central Standard Time on Monday, February 12, 2007

By RANDY JENNINGS / The Dallas Morning News


The paperwork has been completed on the Nov. 24 playoff triple-header at Texas Stadium, and each of the six schools involved netted $32,000, Grand Prairie ISD athletic director Fred Clausen said.

The headliner game was Southlake Carroll's win over Euless Trinity followed by Cedar Hill's victory over Hebron. South Grand Prairie lost to Colleyville Heritage in the final game.

Clausen said 44,000 paid admissions resulted in a gate of $391,000. The UIL receives 15 percent of that amount, and another large portion pays for stadium rental.

"The amount we made was more than double our bi-district playoff game against Arlington Bowie," Clausen said. "We were pleased to be a part of it."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/v3/southlake/carroll/stories/021307dnspopayday.7a183b57.html

The 44,000 would not include the bands/drill teams. The announced attendance was around 46K for that game. The three game average would be 14,666. Does it take a mathmetician to figure that the attendance for theother tow games was less than overwhelming?
 
The 2005 SLC vs. Lufkin game was held at Stephen F. Austin University stadium (Homer Bryce Stadium). Attendance was about 20,000. The stadium officially seats around 15,000 but it's built on two dirt mound/hills on both sides. People sit on the mounds so the capacity is 25,000. The Lufkin side was overflowing and completely covered the grass/dirt. Here is a picture (not same game but similar attendance).
http://sfajacks.cstv.com/genrel/081505aaa.html?pic=2

Take a look at the home side Lufkin crowd from this broadcast of the game. http://cityoflufkin.com/panthers/05/05southlakecarroll.htm

The 2006 title game had around 17,000 in attendance. Remember, the game ended at almost 11:00 pm Saturday night on December 23, was televised nationally and was 300 miles from Southlake. I know lots of SLC fans who stayed home with family for Christmas or were traveling for Christmas.

Plano and Abilene games drew around 35,000. The other SLC games at Texas stadium tipically draw 20,000-30,000.

The SLC/Trinity game drew 55,000 in my opinion. The stadium seats 65,000. They announed attendance at half time when the stadium was 2/3's full. By the end of the 3rd, the stadium was PACKED. I was there. Does this look like 46,000? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCeT-QYF750

SLC consistently draws 10,000 for home regular season games
 
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Naughty,

Please do not take offense.

We (or I, anyway) will miss you next year when Lakeland goes 4-6 (but makes the playoffs anyway because they are in a 3- or 4-team district or whatever it is).

We will be fine. Lakeland does not have losing seasons. That just does not happen at the L.
 
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The 2005 SLC vs. Lufkin game was held at Stephen F. Austin University stadium (Homer Bryce Stadium). Attendance was about 20,000. The stadium officially seats around 15,000 but it's built on two dirt mound/hills on both sides. People sit on the mounds so the capacity is 25,000. The Lufkin side was overflowing and completely covered the grass/dirt. Here is a picture (not same game but similar attendance).
http://sfajacks.cstv.com/genrel/081505aaa.html?pic=2-Thanks Good pctures and video. Form the video, it does not appear there were very many "extra" people on the visitors side. I did not see the home side, but it would seem a stratch to see that the crowd was 30% more just on the home side based on the picture. Hard to tell though.

Take a look at the home side Lufkin crowd from this broadcast of the game. http://cityoflufkin.com/panthers/05/05southlakecarroll.htm

The 2006 title game had around 17,000 in attendance. Remember, the game ended at almost 11:00 pm Saturday night on December 23, was televised nationally and was 300 miles from Southlake. I know lots of SLC fans who stayed home with family for Christmas or were traveling for Christmas.-16,812 to be exact. I do understand the issues. Not certain I like the single site concept, except when it is in Dallas of course. The D2 game had a whopping 8,723. Ridge Pride???

http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/archives/football/playoff_brackets/05_06/5A_bracket/5A2_box.html



Plano and Abilene games drew around 35,000. The other SLC games at Texas stadium tipically draw 20,000-30,000.-*The Allen game had 26,839

The SLC/Trinity game drew 55,000 in my opinion. The stadium seats 65,000. They announed attendance at half time when the stadium was 2/3's full. By the end of the 3rd, the stadium was PACKED. I was there. Does this look like 46,000? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCeT-QYF750

I know what you are saying. The paid attendance for all three games was only 44,000. Like I said earlier that did not include the bands etc.

SLC consistently draws 10,000 for home regular season games-No doubt about that. Have you been to any SLC games with less than 10,000 Home or away?

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Interesting article in the DMN yesterday. I totally missed it. Kind of goes to all the points.



http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/v3/southlake/carroll/stories/021307dnspopayday.7a183b57.html

The 44,000 would not include the bands/drill teams. The announced attendance was around 46K for that game. The three game average would be 14,666. Does it take a mathmetician to figure that the attendance for theother tow games was less than overwhelming?

I was at the game - there was close to 60,000 at the game by end of 3rd quarter.

I sat in my car 2 hours fighting the crowd.

The three game average thing you are doing is stupid. When I left after the SLC game, there were people trying to get in that were for Cedar Hill and Hebron that were not part of the calculation for the Trinity SLC game.

You had to be there to know what happend - you are just guessing - ask someone who was there so that you will know how wrong you are.

PIED YOU WERE NOT THERE- I PROMISE YOU YOU ARE DEAD WRONG - THERE WERE AT LEAST 60,000 FOR THE SLC - TRINITY GAME AND MORE PEOPLE WERE COMING IN AT THE END OF THE SLC/TRINITY GAME JUST TO WATCH CEDAR HILL/HEBRON.

QUIT GUESSING
 
Are you saying someone lied on the financials?

That could never happen in Texas (sorry -- gratuitous Enron shot, and possibly unfair to Enron).
 
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