What state has the Best High School Football?

What state has the Best High School Football?

  • Ohio

    Votes: 90 72.6%
  • Florida

    Votes: 6 4.8%
  • Calafornia

    Votes: 4 3.2%
  • Texas

    Votes: 24 19.4%

  • Total voters
    124
I was at the game - there was close to 60,000 at the game by end of 3rd quarter.

I sat in my car 2 hours fighting the crowd.

The three game average thing you are doing is stupid. When I left after the SLC game, there were people trying to get in that were for Cedar Hill and Hebron that were not part of the calculation for the Trinity SLC game.

You had to be there to know what happend - you are just guessing - ask someone who was there so that you will know how wrong you are.



How am I wrong? These are not my numbers. These are the numbers of "paid admissions". You are right I did not go to the game, do you think that the GP AD Fred Claussen did? Take it up with him.

Also, when was the last Westlake game you attended? I need that info to gague your credibility.
 
Westlake games next year will be like the scene in Blues Brothers where they welcome the "Illinois law enforcement community" to the concert.

"We'd like to welcome all the Westlake fans, as well as everyone here to have their credibility certified for Yappi's National Football Board."
 
FYI the total attendance for the two 5A championship games was 25,535(16,812 for the WL/SLC game and 8,723 for the Cedar Hill/Cy Falls game). In contrast the FL 6A title game had 24,368. There was only one game in the FL total.

I do understand that this was the FL record and that none of the four teams in TX wre from San Antonio, but did find those numbers interesting.
 
Pied - I am a little confused

You asked me to prove my statement that TX has more support, following, and overall craze right?

I figured you wanted me to prove this because you did not agree with my statement.

Then You posted this --

2. I've seen games from Alabama, Florida, and California on TV. Every game was a big game for it to even be on TV. I was shocked to see how low attendance was at every game. The stadiums and crowds were much, much smaller than what I'm used to in Texas.-I would genereally agree with that comment. [Pied]

3. Texas clearly has the best facilities. I'd bet there are 100+ high school stadiums in Texas that hold 10,000-20,000+. Every other state only has a handful of high school stadiums that large. The stadiums in Texas wouldn't be built if they were not needed. The national powers from other states have much, much smaller stadiums (DLS, Colerain, StX, Lakeland, Warren Central, Independence Charlotte, etc., etc.)-I would also agree with that statement. [Pied]

Could you clarify please?
 
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Pied - I am a little confused

You asked me to prove my statement that TX has more support, following, and overall craze right?

I figured you wanted me to prove this because you did not agree with my statement.

Then You posted this --



Could you clarify please?

Certainly. I do generally agree that the games I have seen in those states on TV had fairly low attendance. I ahve also seen games with large attendances. One that comes to mind was the 6A title game in FL.

The statement also did not mention OH where two of the largest HS stadiums in the country are. My top two HS stadiums I have been to would probably be Pennington Field in HEB and J. Bierney(sp?) Stadium in Allentown PA.

I do feel that SLCDad did a much better job in quatifying and making a case than you did.

P.S. I am still waiting on your response to when the last Westlake game you attended was. You have to have read the question by now. I am getting more and more curious by the day.
 
FYI the total attendance for the two 5A championship games was 25,535(16,812 for the WL/SLC game and 8,723 for the Cedar Hill/Cy Falls game). In contrast the FL 6A title game had 24,368. There was only one game in the FL total.

I do understand that this was the FL record and that none of the four teams in TX wre from San Antonio, but did find those numbers interesting.
Why don't you compare attendance at all of the playoff games?You picked Florida's ALL-TIME BEST attended game and compared it to SLC's WORST attended playoff game.

I did a quick estimate and found that SLC's average playoff attendance in 2006 was higher than Florida's all-time state record game.
 
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That's a fun data base of stadiums. The downside is that it's not always accurate. For example, SLC's stadium is listed as having 7,500 capacity. That was true when the stadium was built but it was expanded two years after it was built and now seats around 10,000-11,000.

I scanned the DFW area and saw around 25 stadiums with 10,000-20,000 capacity. That doesn't include some of the outlying areas around DFW.
 
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Why don't you compare attendance at all of the playoff games?You picked Florida's ALL-TIME BEST attended game and compared it to SLC's WORST attended playoff game.

I was comparing the state title games. That seems to be a fair comparison for the most part. Attendance figures are typically not the easiest to find to be honest, and I do not have the gumption to sort through that much info, even if available.

Specifically I was challenged to come up with validation that not all games in TX were well attended.
 
I was comparing the state title games. That seems to be a fair comparison for the most part. Attendance figures are typically not the easiest to find to be honest, and I do not have the gumption to sort through that much info, even if available.

Specifically I was challenged to come up with validation that not all games in TX were well attended.
Perhaps . . . but the example you used is not representative of normal attendance. You picked a very high Florida game and compared it to a very low Texas game.

I edited my original post to add a comment saying that SLC's average playoff attendance in 2006 was higher than Florida's all time record. There are many teams in Texas that draw just as many fans as SLC does.
 
Trying to back into the Texas attendence numbers, I started with the UIL football gate revenues form 2005. The numbers include all classifications and 6-man football. So there is distortion in the average.

Total UIL gate receipts.... $1,102,798
UIL Gate percentage.................... 15%
Total Gate receipts............$7,351,986
Average ticket price..................$7.50 [1]
Attendence..........................980,264
Games.......................................439 [2]
Average Attendence..................2,233 [2]

[1] ticket prices range from $6 in advance/ $7 at gate to a Texas Stadium $10 at gate

[2] Includes 16 6-man games and 47 Class 1A games which are school of 189 and less which will negatively impact the average attendence. Excluded bands, pep squads, drill teams, and other comp'd groups and individuals.

Pied I agree with you that not all Texas games are well attended. The inner city schools are poorly attended. Usually when a innercity school is playing at Texas Stadium half the stadium is virtually empty. However for the sake of this discussion, I think the same can be said for all the states involving inner city schools. But the 500 in attendence to watch Kimball could be 25% more than a similiar school in another state.
 
Here is a quick comparison for title games only.

FL-6A: 24,368
TX-5A/D1: 16,812
OH-D1: 12,621
FL-5A: 12,093
TX-5A/D2: 8,723

TX-4A/D1 16,000(est)
OH-D2: 7,839
CA-DII: "slightly larger than 5,000"

OH-D3: 8,750
Fl-3A: 5,326
CA-DIII: "about 5,000"


OH-D4: 7,840


OH-D5: 5,967


OH-D6: 6,120

I will update them as I find them.
 
Perhaps . . . but the example you used is not representative of normal attendance. You picked a very high Florida game and compared it to a very low Texas game.

I edited my original post to add a comment saying that SLC's average playoff attendance in 2006 was higher than Florida's all time record. There are many teams in Texas that draw just as many fans as SLC does.

Again, I am not picking and choosing to make a point. It is simply the data is not well published. I added another post w/as much info as I could gather.

As far as teams that draw as many as SLC. These things ebb and flow through the years. Take Permian. It used to be that when they came to Irving, you could count on 10,000.

This past year's SLC-Permian game only attracted 11,534.

http://hs.beloblog.com/archives/2006/12/mojo_scores_and_attendance_is_announced.html

CUJO of Tyler John Tyler used to bring a ton as well. Not so much any longer.

I can only think of three or so that I might include.

Allen-although do they bring ayone outside of the DFW area? Their band accounts for dang near 1,000 by itself.
PNG-Pretty legendary stuff
Katy-maybe?
Plano-A lot last year, but they have been WWWAAAYYY down


What teams comprise the "many" you can think of?
 
What teams comprise the "many" you can think of?
Katy, Lufkin, SV, Coppell, Abilene, Plano, North Shore are teams that come to mind off the top of my head. There are others. Granted SLC has greater attendance lately due to more playoff games, but these teams and others draw as many fans as SLC does for comparable games.

Have you ever tried to get a ticket for a Lufkin or Katy home game? Lufkin's stadium seats around 10,000 and the home fans fill all of the home side and 50% of the visitors side. It's a constant complaint from visiting teams. When Abilene has done well they draw more than SLC. Same with Plano.

You mention that attendance changes quickly depending on a team's success. I agree.

I'd guess that 1/2 of SLC's 12 playoff games in the two years had more attendance than Florida's all time record.
 
Katy, Lufkin, SV, Coppell, Abilene, Plano, North Shore are teams that come to mind off the top of my head. There are others. Granted SLC has greater attendance lately due to more playoff games, but these teams and others draw as many fans as SLC does for comparable games.-I can see Plano/Katy/Lufkin. SV would surprise me, and NS even moreso. Sadly Lamar used to be in that crowd. The '89 game w/Permian had close to 40K. The first game I was at Texas Stadium where they opened the upper level. Lewisville has a great fanbase, and will travel with the best of them I think. MArcus was pretty close as well


Have you ever tried to get a ticket for a Lufkin or Katy home game? -Nope, no real desire to travel to ouston to see Katy, but I would LOVE to catch a Longivew-Lufkin game one time. Lufkin's stadium seats around 10,000 and the home fans fill all of the home side and 50% of the visitors side. It's a constant complaint from visiting teams. When Abilene has done well they draw more than SLC. Same with Plano.-Been to PLano many times-especially when they were very good in the mid 90's. Crowds werwe big but nothing "special" especially given the enrollment.

You mention that attendance changes quickly depending on a team's success. I agree.

I'd guess that 1/2 of SLC's 12 playoff games in the two years had more attendance than Florida's all time record.-I have been to the SLC-Allen games and Abilene games and I would agree with you

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Best Tradition- Ohio or Texas
Best Teams- Cali
Best Top Division To Bottom Division- Ohio or Texas
Best Talent- Cali or Florida

Add "or Texas" to the second and fourth and I would agree.

Per capita FL is off the charts. TX produces the most D1 players, but FL is right there with less population. If I had to give the nod to best tradition, I'd say Ohio. They were a bigger state for a long time w/more population centers.
 
Certainly. I do generally agree that the games I have seen in those states on TV had fairly low attendance. I ahve also seen games with large attendances. One that comes to mind was the 6A title game in FL.

The statement also did not mention OH where two of the largest HS stadiums in the country are. My top two HS stadiums I have been to would probably be Pennington Field in HEB and J. Bierney(sp?) Stadium in Allentown PA.

I do feel that SLCDad did a much better job in quatifying and making a case than you did.

P.S. I am still waiting on your response to when the last Westlake game you attended was. You have to have read the question by now. I am getting more and more curious by the day.


I haven't been to any Westlake games - So what? What does that mean?
My point is that you were talking about the less than steller crowds - but you had not been to a game in 15 years.

I go to at least 15 TX high school games a year - including playoffs.

Regarding SLCDad making a better case - SO WHAT? I don't care if consumerman makes a better case as long as they are disputing your ridiculousness.

Pennington field is way outdated - there are many stadiums in the DFW metroplex that are better - You must not get out to TX football games much.

PS - You did an extremely poor job of clarifying your "both sides of the fence" stance on TX high school football "craze."
 
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I haven't been to any Westlake games - So what? What does that mean?
My point is that you were talking about the less than steller crowds - but you had not been to a game in 15 years.-Your reading comprehension is poor apparently. My copied and bolded my statement, but did not read it. Again:

I ahve been to several Westlake games, but not any in 15 years."

I have been to a ton of games, just not Westlake specifically for awhile. Reasons seem apparent to me.

I go to at least 15 TX high school games a year - including playoffs.

Regarding SLCDad making a better case - SO WHAT? I don't care if consumerman makes a better case as long as they are disputing your ridiculousness.-What ridiculousness is that?

Pennington field is way outdated - there are many stadiums in the DFW metroplex that are better - You must not get out to TX football games much.-I have been to many of them. Many of the new ones have tracks. I do not like that at football stadiums. Pennington Field does not. It is older, but is still one of my favorites.

PS - You did an extremely poor job of clarifying your "both sides of the fence" stance on TX high school football "craze."-And you are doing a poor job in my opinion trying to prove me wrong. You seem to be doing this on several boards and are simply attacking any stance that I take regardless of what it is. I am a Texas homer admittedly. I do understand there are a lot of good football players/teams/coaches and fans around the country. I also have been to many games with few fans and little atmosphere, right here in the metrolex(gasp). It does not alter my thoughts or love for Texas HS football.

Do you agree that there are 30 teams in Texas could beat the 6A champion in FL? You seems adamant about telling me that on the 5A board
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This is how it started

It is a myth that all HS games in Texas are well attended and have a boisterous crowd. I have been to plenty that prove this fact. To say that:


My response

"There is no myth who said ALL high school games are well attended in Texas?
We have more support, following and overall football craze than any other state.
I don't think anyone made the claim that ALL TX high school games are well attended."

You asked me to prove my bolded statement as if you disagreed -
then you came back and stated.

2. I've seen games from Alabama, Florida, and California on TV. Every game was a big game for it to even be on TV. I was shocked to see how low attendance was at every game. The stadiums and crowds were much, much smaller than what I'm used to in Texas.-I would genereally agree with that comment. [Pied]

3. Texas clearly has the best facilities. I'd bet there are 100+ high school stadiums in Texas that hold 10,000-20,000+. Every other state only has a handful of high school stadiums that large. The stadiums in Texas wouldn't be built if they were not needed. The national powers from other states have much, much smaller stadiums (DLS, Colerain, StX, Lakeland, Warren Central, Independence Charlotte, etc., etc.)-I would also agree with that statement. [Pied]


That is what this whole dispute is over. Why did you want me to prove That TX overall has more fan "craze" if you already thought so yourself?

That is what I feel is ridiculous.
 
RP-I understand what you are saying. Here are a couple of quotes that got me going:

TX just takes High school football much more seriously than any other State.

TX 5A is run like a college program.
The head coaches do not teach a class. They focus 100% on football year round. They are hired to win football games period. Lose and you are fired along with your Offensive and Defensive coordinators and possibly your whole staff.

When the TX High school playoffs comes around - if your team makes it - it is absolute hysteria in that community.

People talk about the pressure put on coaches at say, Massillon and Eds and I chuckle because it is like that at every school down here. Lose and you have to face the whole town.


While the above is true to an extent in many towns, it is not in many others. When was the last time that the Carrolton FB schools were good in football. Have people started a drive to have Eddy Peach removed? Take the entire DISD. Why are they good ar basketball, but not football? Does anyone really care at all? For that matter throw in the FWISD. What about the Irving schools.

Bordertown did an analysis that showed the paid attendance for the playoffs was an average of 2,233 people. That number is probably a little low, but I do think it shows that not every town has "hysteria" come playoff time.

The GP AD said their $32K take from the triple header was more than double the take from the bidistrict game the week before. Taking just the numbers given and that each game "had "14,666 paid attendance, is it safe to assume that the weeks game before w/SGP-Bowie with schools that have a combined attendance of over six thousand students had just over that amount in attendance?

Is that the example of those communities wrapped up in playoff hysteria?

I love TX HS football. I just don't see the need to portray something that it is not. I think the above quotes do that.

If that was not the intent my bad.

You brought up indoor practice facilities/turf/etc.

There certainly are many schools with those amenities. Do you realize for every school that has them, that there are probably 10 and more likely 20-50 schools in the state that does not?

Your post would not indicate that you do. Maybe I am wrong.

Then you posted that since I had not been to a WL game in ten years that my credibility was shot. I think you addressed that by stating you did not undertstand the comment. OK

Do this make more sense?
 
Well I live in Keller which is 5 minutes from Southlake. Every school in this area has Field turf- Even the Grand Prairie district.

Southlake Carroll is the only one with an indoor facility.
The only stadium I know around here that has grass is the Fort Worth stadium used by the inner city.

I know a guy that lives in Florida who is amazed by how much our coaches make and that they do not teach. I don't think it is common.
I feel I am justified in saying TX is #1 in high school football hysteria with Ohio being #2.
I never said TX fills every stadium on every Friday or even that other states do not draw big crowds.

The Peach family is a legend - So that is not a good example.

I see that on 5ATexasfootball.com everyone that attended the SLC/Trinity game agreed with me - debunking the figures you posted. Not saying it's your fault but you just had to be there to get a true account.

When they anounced the official attendance people were still trying to get in - it was mass hysteria.
I parked about a mile away at a hotel and paid $20 to park then had to walk over the major highway with hundreds of others doing the same. You had to do that or you would NOT make it in. It was just like a Cowboys game. That was the craziest thing I had ever seen for a high school game.
 
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I see that on 5ATexasfootball.com everyone that attended the SLC/Trinity game agreed with me - debunking the figures you posted. Not saying it's your fault but you just had to be there to get a true account.

This comment and the ones below are the ones I just don't get. These baords should not be personal, but you seem to want to make them so. They are not "my" numbers. It is published information from the Dallas Morning News quoting the GPISD AD.

I had nothing to do with it, except posting it. I thought that was pretty clear, but you posted the above comment along with this:

PIED YOU WERE NOT THERE- I PROMISE YOU YOU ARE DEAD WRONG - THERE WERE AT LEAST 60,000 FOR THE SLC - TRINITY GAME AND MORE PEOPLE WERE COMING IN AT THE END OF THE SLC/TRINITY GAME JUST TO WATCH CEDAR HILL/HEBRON.

QUIT GUESSING

What was "I" dead wrong or guessing about? For the record I ahve emailed the DMN writer to get clarification I will post what I receive if anything.

That was not the only time you accused me of being wrong.

I think TexasFrog knows what he is talking about - and of course Pied is his usual misinformed self.

For the record, what I Texasfrog and I wree debating were severl items.

1. There are 30 teams in Texas that would beat the 6A FL champion including the top ten from 4A.
2 . The top teams from FL come from the lower classifications. The problem is that all the polls that rank the teams disagree as well as the fans of FL HS football.
3. He also spouted off many innaccuracies about the game between Lamar and Rutherford. I know these because, like I have said many times, I am a Lamar alum and was at the game.

What about the above was I showing my "usual misinformed self"?
 
Why would you get offended when I say that eye witnesses debunk the official attendance reported by DMN. It is a true statement.

I don't want to get into the other stuff.
 
Why would you get offended when I say that eye witnesses debunk the official attendance reported by DMN. It is a true statement.-Because that coupled with your other statement of me being "Dead Wrong" seems to be alluding these numbers to me. Does that make sense?

I don't want to get into the other stuff.-I wouldn't either

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