What does OHSAA do about Marion Local in D7?

MilkAthletesCorn said:
No absolutely not! What I find astonishing about all this is that some assume this is even a conversation in the ML community. As if we sit around a crystal ball looking at what the future talent will be with a could we line of thinking and Looking at films of upper divisions contemplating such a ridiculous notion. Every starter but 2 or 3 will not be on the team next year, and even when getting playing time in 2nd half, the back ups struggled often to be successful. Nothing would lead anyone in decision making positions at ML to believe this is a good scenario to put these kids in a situation like that.
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Maybe people assume that, because too many running clocks would be a conversation at most places. Idk how you sit through most of them honestly but everyone is different. I suspect, perhaps, D6/D7 is just a different animal and unrelatable to upper divisions in regards to attendance, fan interest, revenue. Up here we need to put butts in the seats.
 
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Pull-to-Trap said:
Why would a DIII or DIV "wear them down". ML's roster is bigger
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Playing double the amount of football greatly increases the opportunities for injuries to occur. Backups thrust into starting roles can get hurt, too. This would wear on ML and their depth, just like any other team.
 
TigerPaw said:
Would it??? It may not be as gratifying as a D7 state title, but it would possibly be as gratifying as their 16th in D7. Not that I'd jump to D3 but certainly 1 or 2 divisions, if that were allowable. I feel like anyone after that level of success would opt up if they could.
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so kids playing football in their backyard at marion local are supposed to dream about playing in the D3 regional semifinals instead of the state championship game because they players they've watched growing up have been too good? are you even reading the stuff youre saying? get real
 
underthelights said:
Playing double the amount of football greatly increases the opportunities for injuries to occur. Backups thrust into starting roles can get hurt, too. This would wear on ML and their depth, just like any other team.
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From a logical standpoint, playing against bigger, stronger, faster athletes, would increase injury risk. Which is a factor to consider when predicting how well ML could do in D5 on up.
 
TigerPaw said:
Maybe people assume that, because too many running clocks would be a conversation at most places. Idk how you sit through most of them honestly but everyone is different. I suspect, perhaps, D6/D7 is just a different animal and unrelatable to upper divisions in regards to attendance, fan interest, revenue. Up here we need to put butts in the seats.
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Personally, as an ML guy, the record for longest win streak is now MLs, titles record, MLs, most playoff wins, MLs so I wouldn't be opposed to scheduling top notch competition in weeks 1 and 2 if the stars aline. There's nothing left to prove. Next year Ironton has week one open. I say schedule them, but ironton has to agree to a home and home. I'm tired of having to find week 1 every year. Go south, play a Tippecanoe, Troy, Piqua. We played Trotwood Madison in JV this year, maybe them (granted they're not the power they once were). If you want to beat ML, go after them in weeks 1 and 2 after a large class graduates and the next one hasn't found their identity yet.

However the MAC schedule must stay. Someone said ML should do a Glenville and ask the league to let them move the schedule around or drop some games to do this. I don't agree with that.
 
State2013-1 said:
Personally, as an ML guy, the record for longest win streak is now MLs, titles record, MLs, most playoff wins, MLs so I wouldn't be opposed to scheduling top notch competition in weeks 1 and 2 if the stars aline. There's nothing left to prove. Next year Ironton has week one open. I say schedule them, but ironton has to agree to a home and home. I'm tired of having to find week 1 every year. Go south, play a Tippecanoe, Troy, Piqua. We played Trotwood Madison in JV this year, maybe them (granted they're not the power they once were). If you want to beat ML, go after them in weeks 1 and 2 after a large class graduates and the next one hasn't found their identity yet.

However the MAC schedule must stay. Someone said ML should do a Glenville and ask the league to let them move the schedule around or drop some games to do this. I don't agree with that.
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Understood. Having only 2 open dates, and only in weeks 1 & 2, on top of geographic location, is a killer. I agree week 1 or 2 games are generally not the best gauges of anything either. 🤷‍♂️ Better than nothing I guess.

Fwiw Moore likes to open with a marquee game. He has stated that a big week 1 challenge helps motivate the offseason and pre-season prep.
 
TigerPaw said:
Understood. Having only 2 open dates, and only in weeks 1 & 2, on top of geographic location, is a killer. I agree week 1 or 2 games are generally not the best gauges of anything either. 🤷‍♂️ Better than nothing I guess.

Fwiw Moore likes to open with a marquee game. He has stated that a big week 1 challenge helps motivate the offseason and pre-season prep.
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I would really like the Ironton matchup personally. They should come to Maria Stein first though lol. 4 hour drives back to back years sounds killer.

Personally, next year i can see ML struggling on offense more to start the season than defense. Defense for ML is easier to turn over.
 
MilkAthletesCorn said:
That's why it still boggles my mind why St. Mary's backed out on week 1? They have a lot coming back and we are an adjacent school to the south yet they chose to drive to Gallion I believe.
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I heard they backed out after we thumped them 29-0 after just one quarter in the preseason scrimmage.
Evidently they didn't know we only have three starters coming back?
 
TiGgEr3 said:
Probably not......I do know it wasn't because of the 1-1 vs St Henry that was also mentioned.

Something or other just didn't work out so the two teams will stick to scrimmaging.
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I don't thik they're going to scrimmage anymore (St. Marys and Marion Local). From what I've heard, the Week 1 deal was nixed after the scrimmage this year (ML-29 SM-0 in 1Q). Because of that backout, I'm pretty sure the scrimmage is being canceled as a result.
 
TigerPaw said:
Maybe people assume that, because too many running clocks would be a conversation at most places. Idk how you sit through most of them honestly but everyone is different. I suspect, perhaps, D6/D7 is just a different animal and unrelatable to upper divisions in regards to attendance, fan interest, revenue. Up here we need to put butts in the seats.
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Near by competitors will bring better attendance in west central Ohio generally. Every area is almost always going to be different.
 
MilkAthletesCorn said:
Near by competitors will bring better attendance in west central Ohio generally. Every area is almost always going to be different.
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And you are limited by seating. However I could see a more lucrative take on the pay per view. Ironton, Watterson, Big Red, Glenville, Ursuline, Chardon, so many... Wapakoneta too if you can get them back but trying to think of more well known teams in other parts of the state, more intrigued by the phenomenon known as MAC football. Maybe even a D2 like Wadsworth, Hudson, Lake, Fitch etc. I think interest would be sky high. I'll never forget the Coldwater vs. Mooney game that was must see tv.
 
Do you think it would work if OHSAA put on an invitational event week1 or early in the season in Columbus with 3-5 games with some good matchups?
 
caliron said:
Do you think it would work if OHSAA put on an invitational event week1 or early in the season in Columbus with 3-5 games with some good matchups?
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The Herbstreit classic was kinda this way back when and involved national teams coming to Ohio.
 
caliron said:
Do you think it would work if OHSAA put on an invitational event week1 or early in the season in Columbus with 3-5 games with some good matchups?
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I like the outside the box thinking.

The OHSAA, though, isn’t going to get into the business of school/program promotion.

It’d be poor organizational practice to “pick winners and losers” by trying to set up an invitational or a classic. Here’s the most apt example: they could theoretically pitch this idea and field applications from programs. They could get 75-100(+), the majority of which come from middling/bad programs who think “oh wouldn’t this be cool for our kids.” Having to turn away teams and prioritize the ‘most desirable’ match-making would be an albatross around the organization’s neck.

This is one where private enterprise can excel, and is more appropriate from promotional companies who are profit-driven. Of course, the issue there is this state has a beleaguered history post-2020 with charlatans trying to profit to the most extreme ends — means be damned. (Now I will say what Ironton does is very admirable and ideally it can be replicated across the state.)
 
The Dock said:
I like the outside the box thinking.

The OHSAA, though, isn’t going to get into the business of school/program promotion.

It’d be poor organizational practice to “pick winners and losers” by trying to set up an invitational or a classic. Here’s the most apt example: they could theoretically pitch this idea and field applications from programs. They could get 75-100(+), the majority of which come from middling/bad programs who think “oh wouldn’t this be cool for our kids.” Having to turn away teams and prioritize the ‘most desirable’ match-making would be an albatross around the organization’s neck.

This is one where private enterprise can excel, and is more appropriate from promotional companies who are profit-driven. Of course, the issue there is this state has a beleaguered history post-2020 with charlatans trying to profit to the most extreme ends — means be damned. (Now I will say what Ironton does is very admirable and ideally it can be replicated across the state.)
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Private, public, makes no diff to me but I hear ya. There could be some ways to reduce the # of participants and complexity of the selection process. Maybe only consider the Regional champs or State finalists from the previous year and then of course, not all teams could adjust their schedule or be interested so there would be a natural filtering down to 10ish teams. Really, I was just thinking of getting schools from north(ML) and south(Ironton) together in a neutral site to reduce travel but it doesn't have to be limited to those geos. An enterprising Columbus team could maybe do this on Saturday and get a good draw.
 
caliron said:
Private, public, makes no diff to me but I hear ya. There could be some ways to reduce the # of participants and complexity of the selection process. Maybe only consider the Regional champs or State finalists from the previous year and then of course, not all teams could adjust their schedule or be interested so there would be a natural filtering down to 10ish teams. Really, I was just thinking of getting schools from north(ML) and south(Ironton) together in a neutral site to reduce travel but it doesn't have to be limited to those geos. An enterprising Columbus team could maybe do this on Saturday and get a good draw.
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From a playoff/championship game perspective. Instead of just matching up regional Champs, why not take the final 8 and seed from there. I'm certain there are plenty of retired coaches and coaches that at that point are no longer in the playoffs with ability to do that. Most all films are digital where easy access could be had. D7 could've easily been able to decide top 3 (no Hillsdale was not one of them no matter whattheircoach said in post game interview), and if a team is good enough they'll win all the way through. And if not, then they won't be in Canton.
 
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