What does OHSAA do about Marion Local in D7?

 
I don't know that part of Ohio very well but have, of course, heard of this storied program. Do they have some systemic unfair advantage? Have they somehow exploited the rules (like some assert Glenville has done via Ginn Academy) or are they following the rules like other D7s?

If they've just built a better program than everyone else in D7, then the others need to follow their model. No point in penalizing success.

That said, I don't see a problem with schools electing to move up to higher divisions if they feel they've accomplished all they can at the current level.
 
raising4daughters said:
I don't know that part of Ohio very well but have, of course, heard of this storied program. Do they have some systemic unfair advantage? Have they somehow exploited the rules (like some assert Glenville has done via Ginn Academy) or are they following the rules like other D7s?

If they've just built a better program than everyone else in D7, then the others need to follow their model. No point in penalizing success.

That said, I don't see a problem with schools electing to move up to higher divisions if they feel they've accomplished all they can at the current level.
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I am from that area, and no. There is no rule bending, there are no transfers, there is nothing to give an advantage outside of hard work and talent.
 
raising4daughters said:
I don't know that part of Ohio very well but have, of course, heard of this storied program. Do they have some systemic unfair advantage? Have they somehow exploited the rules (like some assert Glenville has done via Ginn Academy) or are they following the rules like other D7s?

If they've just built a better program than everyone else in D7, then the others need to follow their model. No point in penalizing success.

That said, I don't see a problem with schools electing to move up to higher divisions if they feel they've accomplished all they can at the current level.
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It’s simply not that easy. A program like ML has built has so many underlying factors that get them to the level they are at. It’s timing, coaching, community, players, admin, assistants, other staff in the building, boosters, BOE, among countless other factors.
 
thisisinsane said:
It’s simply not that easy. A program like ML has built has so many underlying factors that get them to the level they are at. It’s timing, coaching, community, players, admin, assistants, other staff in the building, boosters, BOE, among countless other factors.
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I never said it was easy. Local to me, it seems that Avon has done exactly what MSML has done, and it paid off for them. They didn't have any inherent or system advantages over other D2/R6 like North Royalton where I live, they just did the very hard work. I don't think Avon should be forced up to D1 just because of its dominance in R6 and now a first state title.
 
Let's go full blow European soccer on this thing.

All of the D2 to D7 regional finalists (8 teams) move up one division. The bottom two teams in each region by Harbin points move down a division.

For geographical reasons you would always promote and relegate to the corresponding region in the new division as the old division.
 
Don't know for sure, do they offer: soccer, wrestling, and lax? They've most likely have strength and conditioning as apart of their daily schedule.
 
OHSAA could push them into a higher division to try and help with competitive balance. They do this for the privates, it can be done for the publics. I don't care either way, doesn't matter to me what division they are in.
 
In the future, not listen to crybaby fans of programs convinced that there's something wrong with the setup of high school football and that's why their team isn't winning. Why is D1 not as deep as D2? Why is Glenville D4? Why is Marion Local dominating D7? It's all because of competitive balance. You guys got what you wanted, deal with it.
 
Spartan119 said:
The toughest competition they get is from their own league, some years you’ll have the division 4 5 6 and 7 champions come out of the MAC. All similar hard-working family based communities.
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If true, then I don't understand everyone's beef other than simply green with envy. Sounds like the MAC schools just work harder and then reap the rewards.

I might argue, however, that 7 divisions is just too many and almost seems like they were concocted to give the MAC schools multiple state titles each year out of recognition for the point above (except when Kirtland or Mogadore beat a MAC school).

Maybe move D7 to 8-man and move 11-man teams up from D7 to D6, some then from D6-D5, etc. Maybe make D1 an open division for volunteers.

Just hate the talk of penalizing excellence. I live in NoRo and watch Highland bash its heads in every year. Kudos to Highland who might win its own state title if not for the bad fortune of being in the same region as Avon, another community that's built a great program from the ground up.
 
OHSAA did change the rules through competitive balance to try to negate private institutions winning and make it a more level playing field. I think it has caused more disparity

Wherever you move MSML it would be an issue DV-DVII. MSML is just flat out dominate. Programs need to get better. Blaming MSML for being dominate is absurd. CW lost to MSML 35-0. Does that change my opinion on CW. Absolutely not. Interested in seeing the outcome on Kirtland vs CW. You tip your cap to them but don't change the rules to justify competition. JFK beat Minster in 2016, we were better and we deserved to win. NB in 2020 & 2022 was better than JFK and they deserved it. Get back to work and get better its that simple
 
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