The Official 2024 Reds season thread

Don't want to jinx him, but our very own Hunter Greene, who had a phenomenal July, is in contention for the NL Cy Young award. He is near the top in alot of categories, including ERA, WHIP and WAR. Others in contention is the Dodgers Tyler Glasnow, Philly's Zach Wheeler, Padre Dylan Cease, and Atlanta's Chris Sale.
 
14Red said:
Don't want to jinx him, but our very own Hunter Greene, who had a phenomenal July, is in contention for the NL Cy Young award. He is near the top in alot of categories, including ERA, WHIP and WAR. Others in contention is the Dodgers Tyler Glasnow, Philly's Zach Wheeler, Padre Dylan Cease, and Atlanta's Chris Sale.
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He has been tremendous. He is even #1 in BA against (.182).

But a guy with 8 wins on a losing team won't win the CY unless he is head and shoulders above the rest. I bet if they voted today he would finish behind the guys you mention plus Ranger Suarez, Sonny Gray, and maybe Paul Skenes.

If the team would have given him a few more runs early in the season, he's be at 11+ wins and right in the conversation.
 
14Red said:
Don't want to jinx him, but our very own Hunter Greene, who had a phenomenal July, is in contention for the NL Cy Young award. He is near the top in alot of categories, including ERA, WHIP and WAR. Others in contention is the Dodgers Tyler Glasnow, Philly's Zach Wheeler, Padre Dylan Cease, and Atlanta's Chris Sale.
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I would guess he needs to get close to 12-14 wins to be in the conversation. I would also guess at some point when it becomes apparent they are not making the playoffs they will shut him down. He’s at 130 innings pitched at this time and I think that could be a career high. I would guess 170ish would be his ceiling. So probably not getting to that win total.
He’s had a tremendous July into August however. Seemed to has turned the corner. Now you just hope for good health.
 
wolves82 said:
He has been tremendous. He is even #1 in BA against (.182).

But a guy with 8 wins on a losing team won't win the CY unless he is head and shoulders above the rest. I bet if they voted today he would finish behind the guys you mention plus Ranger Suarez, Sonny Gray, and maybe Paul Skenes.

If the team would have given him a few more runs early in the season, he's be at 11+ wins and right in the conversation.
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True, I think back to Jacob DeGrom who won it a few years back with 10 or 11 wins and was right around .500. The bigger take away is I don't think anyone of us even dreamed he'd be in this position. He has an August like he did in July and he will be in the conversation. His WAR number for pitchers is way above the competition. Now I have no idea how that plays into Cy Young voters minds. But needless to say, we've got ourselves a top shelf, bona fide top pitcher in the NL for the next several years.
 
GCPRO said:
I would guess he needs to get close to 12-14 wins to be in the conversation. I would also guess at some point when it becomes apparent they are not making the playoffs they will shut him down. He’s at 130 innings pitched at this time and I think that could be a career high. I would guess 170ish would be his ceiling. So probably not getting to that win total.
He’s had a tremendous July into August however. Seemed to has turned the corner. Now you just hope for good health.
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I don't know that shutting him down will happen. They've treated him like a pretty normal veteran pitcher this year and he's held up with the workload. He probably has what, 6-7 more starts?
 
14Red said:
I don't know that shutting him down will happen. They've treated him like a pretty normal veteran pitcher this year and he's held up with the workload. He probably has what, 6-7 more starts?
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They have have 48 games left, that would equate to 8-9 more at 5+ inn per start. I think they would be crazy to not shut him down once they are eliminated.
 
Some data on Hunter.

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14Red said:
Some data on Hunter.

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Thank you for posting this. It clearly illustrates why it is very smart to extend your young players way before they are eligible for free agency.

And yet when I say the Reds should do the same with Elly, you repeatedly say no, and ask "why would you do that before you have to?"

Obviously, this is why. You get superstar production at a very below market price, for 6+ years.

Feel free to tell me I am right, and have a nice day.
 
GCPRO said:
They have have 48 games left, that would equate to 8-9 more at 5+ inn per start. I think they would be crazy to not shut him down once they are eliminated.
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I disagree. Unless he has some kind of injury or shows some real signs of wearing down, I don't see a reason to shut him down. If he would pitch the last game of the season on Sept 29th, he'd have nearly 6 months until opening day.
 
GCPRO said:
They have have 48 games left, that would equate to 8-9 more at 5+ inn per start. I think they would be crazy to not shut him down once they are eliminated.
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They probably will shut him down because they are the most conservative organization on the planet. But you don't continue to get better by not pitching. He should continue to refine his craft for the rest of the season, unless there is some obvious physical set back.

You don't have to kill him, but you don't completely shut him down either.
 
14Red said:
I disagree. Unless he has some kind of injury or shows some real signs of wearing down, I don't see a reason to shut him down. If he would pitch the last game of the season on Sept 29th, he'd have nearly 6 months until opening day.
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Same wavelength.
 
Doublehelix said:
They probably will shut him down because they are the most conservative organization on the planet. But you don't continue to get better by not pitching. He should continue to refine his craft for the rest of the season, unless there is some obvious physical set back.

You don't have to kill him, but you don't completely shut him down either.
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Agreed. As long as he is feeling good, Greene needs to experience a normal workload through September, because hopefully next year he is pitching into mid-October. Needs to build up gradually.
 
wolves82 said:
Thank you for posting this. It clearly illustrates why it is very smart to extend your young players way before they are eligible for free agency.

And yet when I say the Reds should do the same with Elly, you repeatedly say no, and ask "why would you do that before you have to?"

Obviously, this is why. You get superstar production at a very below market price, for 6+ years.

Feel free to tell me I am right, and have a nice day.
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Do you hurt your arm much patting yourself on the back? LOL

I posted it not because you are a big proponent of it, but to show some people that the Reds front office isn't a bunch of knuckleheads who don't know what they are doing. Now yes, you WANT to extent Elly, but what would make him want to do that? Maybe he will bet on himself and not agree to an extension? Maybe the Reds are working with Elly and his agent now on an extension?

Now also consider that as good as Elly has been, he's played 210 major league games, a season and a quarter.
 
14Red said:
Do you hurt your arm much patting yourself on the back? LOL

I posted it not because you are a big proponent of it, but to show some people that the Reds front office isn't a bunch of knuckleheads who don't know what they are doing. Now yes, you WANT to extent Elly, but what would make him want to do that? Maybe he will bet on himself and not agree to an extension? Maybe the Reds are working with Elly and his agent now on an extension?

Now also consider that as good as Elly has been, he's played 210 major league games, a season and a quarter.
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They are knuckleheads. Today’s starting lineup is proof of that.
Dude you said getting on base is a good indication of scoring runs. Is there another way? I apologize
 
14Red said:
Do you hurt your arm much patting yourself on the back? LOL

I posted it not because you are a big proponent of it, but to show some people that the Reds front office isn't a bunch of knuckleheads who don't know what they are doing. Now yes, you WANT to extent Elly, but what would make him want to do that? Maybe he will bet on himself and not agree to an extension? Maybe the Reds are working with Elly and his agent now on an extension?

Now also consider that as good as Elly has been, he's played 210 major league games, a season and a quarter.
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Was I patting myself on the back, or mocking your ignorance? The readers can judge for themselves.

I have explained this. It is very simple. Elly would want to sign it for the same reasons that Hunter Greene did. To make more money now, pre-arbitration and pre-free agency.

Elly comes from a very poor family. He makes 750K this year, maybe 900K next year, and so forth until arbitration. Why would he not sign a deal that pays him 3m-4M next year, and escalates each year for the next 6-8 years? Just like Greene's deal. Money now is always better than money later.

Also, Elly's year and a quarter is WAAAAAAY more impressive than Greene's first few years. Every baseball analyst with half a brain knows Elly is the real deal, and he is already a superstar.

Wake up man.
 
Last night's ballgame showed the maturation of H Greene. Gave up 3 in the third on some chippies, walk, hbp. Yet held it together to go 6 and give his club a chance. I realize the Marlins are terrible. The best in the game keep their club in the ballgame when they don't have their A game. The man is just 25 yrs young. Keep growing young man.
 
wolves82 said:
Was I patting myself on the back, or mocking your ignorance? The readers can judge for themselves.

I have explained this. It is very simple. Elly would want to sign it for the same reasons that Hunter Greene did. To make more money now, pre-arbitration and pre-free agency.

Elly comes from a very poor family. He makes 750K this year, maybe 900K next year, and so forth until arbitration. Why would he not sign a deal that pays him 3m-4M next year, and escalates each year for the next 6-8 years? Just like Greene's deal. Money now is always better than money later.

Also, Elly's year and a quarter is WAAAAAAY more impressive than Greene's first few years. Every baseball analyst with half a brain knows Elly is the real deal, and he is already a superstar.

Wake up man.
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Maybe the Reds are working on this as we speak. If they get a deal done, you'll get all the credit for making in happen. :ROFLMAO:
 
That's actually a great question, it seems like we all know that "getting on base" is a good indication of scoring runs, but for some reason the baseball mindset does not agree. You would think that focusing in hitting the ball to all fields, shortening your swing with 2 strikes would make a ton of sense, but we rarely see it on the field.
GCPRO said:
Dude you said getting on base is a good indication of scoring runs. Is there another way? I apologize
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Sunday August 11, 2024 see the Reds with 57-61 record, good for fourth place in the NL Central. Cincy is 1/2 game ahead of the slumping Pirates, but 10 1/2 games of first place Milwaukee. One year ago the Reds were 61-57 , 2 1/2 games out of first.

For the week, the Reds were 4-3. Taking 3 of 4 against Miami before dropping 2 of 3 at Milwaukee. ELDC and Stephenson carried the Reds bats while Greene, Lodolo, and Martinez pitched well. The Reds are not going any where, but we do see glimpses of what could be. Baseball for the sake of baseball has its moments.
 
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