The Official 2024 Reds season thread

Omega said:
I see your point,, but It begs the questions of what is the mission of the business known as the Cincinnati Reds and how do you measure that organization's success? In a pure business sense I guess it is EBITDA in the operation of a professional baseball team. Winning only matters in reaching the necessary revenue from attendance and viewership versus the expense of salary and operations. Maybe Phil Castellini message was correct when he asked the rhetorical question " where are Reds fans going to go?" If you are a consumer of professional baseball entertainment in Cincinnat, your choice of team is limited to the Reds.
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Good timing for this discussion. You are spot on.

I played a poker tournament at the Columbus casino yesterday and was talking about the Reds with a few guys at the table. A gentleman told me that he had a friend who is one of the many minority owners of the Reds. His friend told him that Castellini says at the annual board meeting "The goal every year is to just be good enough to be in the playoff hunt on July 4th." That insures enough ticket sales for the year to get them the profit margin they are looking for. No emphasis on winning or championships.

#SellTheTeamBob
 
GCPRO said:
The greatest quote in Yappi history-"getting on base is one of the most effective ways to score runs in baseball."
I give up. Go Reds!
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There are times when I think 14Red should change his name to Captain Obvious. But then so many of his posts are just plain incorrect I realize that name would not work.
 
14Red said:
Reds have one of the youngest teams in baseball and are missing 3-4 key bats and guys want to blow up and rebuid again??? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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Stop being dense, and stop being a drama queen.

Literally no one suggested blowing up the roster. Every single person on this thread knows that you keep the young core together. Trading some of the veteran expiring contracts to get more prospects would be smart, and trading a couple of your low prospects for outfielders like Bryan De La Cruz or Lane Thomas would be very smart.
 
Spartacus1987 said:
F**K Cleveland. Anyone but them.
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Well, since their cheapo owners (sound familiar to Reds fans?) took over in 2001, the Indians/Guardians have made the postseason 8 times and will be in again this season. Also, since the current GM took over about ten years ago, the franchise has one of the top five overall W-L records in MLB. Now some of that is due to playing in a crappy division, but the Reds have enjoyed that same advantage.
 
wolves82 said:
^^ Have you ever seen anyone miss the point more consistently than this guy? ^^

And then he wears out his keyboard re-typing obvious sh__t that everyone knows to try to deflect from the point that he doesn't understand.

I no longer have the time or energy to keep re-explaining to him that Cleveland and Pittsburgh did not "mortgage their future" to get good young outfielders.
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IDK why you kept responding anyway, you're far too intelligent. I stop responding to his nonsense at least 3 years ago.
 
wolves82 said:
Hunter Greene's 5 starts since July 1: 33 innings, 1 run, 10 hits, 40K, 9 walks. Wow. He has become who we hoped he would become.

That, and the vast improvement of Elly, are the 2 best things in this otherwise disappointing season.
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THEE! only reason why I still watch the Reds!
 
AEW Champion said:
This is such a dumb, incorrect statement. If I have the energy and time later, maybe I’ll educate you (again) on this topic. But in the meantime, you can go Google the Braves’ 2023 finances — their parent company is public — and come back and tell us if attendance matters.
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You guys keep him going! If he goes unanswered then he's meaningless! Let him post the silly s@!#$ he says and keep it moving.
 
cjb5656 said:
Well, since their cheapo owners (sound familiar to Reds fans?) took over in 2001, the Indians/Guardians have made the postseason 8 times and will be in again this season. Also, since the current GM took over about ten years ago, the franchise has one of the top five overall W-L records in MLB. Now some of that is due to playing in a crappy division, but the Reds have enjoyed that same advantage.
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I just hate them. Would rather not use their help for anything.
 
AEW Champion said:
Wanting guys like Farmer, Wilson, Martinez, maybe even Fairchild and India traded is not equivalent to blowing it up and rebuilding. Any competent organization would have moved some, if not all, of those players.
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Look AEW, let me simplify this, you could take every team in baseball, allow them to "protect" 15 players on their roster, put the other 12-15 guys that have been on the roster for most of the season, assign them to a different team and you'd likely have the same result. A teams top 10-15 players are most responsible for their success.

Also, do you not understand that the Reds may have not got a reasonable trade value for India and Martinez?? I mean you have no idea what was on the table, and you're not just going to give them away.
 
Spartacus1987 said:
F**K Cleveland. Anyone but them.
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They are starting to show some wear. Split with Baltimore over the weekend, lost yesterday to the Dbacks. Only up on Minn 3.5 games, as close as it's been most of the season, KC is only another game back as well. I still don't think anyone gives the Guards a shot in the postseason.
 
14Red said:
They are starting to show some wear. Split with Baltimore over the weekend, lost yesterday to the Dbacks. Only up on Minn 3.5 games, as close as it's been most of the season, KC is only another game back as well. I still don't think anyone gives the Guards a shot in the postseason.
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Good. I hope they completely implode.
 
14Red said:
Look AEW, let me simplify this, you could take every team in baseball, allow them to "protect" 15 players on their roster, put the other 12-15 guys that have been on the roster for most of the season, assign them to a different team and you'd likely have the same result. A teams top 10-15 players are most responsible for their success.
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Sure, because guys never get hurt. Who needs depth? All you need is 10-15 good players. OK. Anything else you can teach us is appreciated. :ROFLMAO:
 
14Red said:
Also, do you not understand that the Reds may have not got a reasonable trade value for India and Martinez?? I mean you have no idea what was on the table, and you're not just going to give them away.
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Of course none of us know that. All we can judge are the results, which were god awful.
 
wolves82 said:
Sure, because guys never get hurt. Who needs depth? All you need is 10-15 good players. OK. Anything else you can teach us is appreciated. :ROFLMAO:
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You miss my point completely, the last 10-15 guys on the roster is just like the last 10-15 guys on every other roster in baseball. Those top 10 players make the difference in winning and losing. I think if you go back in time you will see this is true.
 
wolves82 said:
Of course none of us know that. All we can judge are the results, which were god awful.
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Actually not, do you know since June 1, the Reds are 29-26, a .527 win percentage? If they had a .527 win percentage for the season, they'd be in 1 1/2 games out of the wild card. The 9-18 May will be the death knell of the this season. They have been over .500 in 3 of the 4 months this season.
 
14Red said:
You miss my point completely, the last 10-15 guys on the roster is just like the last 10-15 guys on every other roster in baseball. Those top 10 players make the difference in winning and losing. I think if you go back in time you will see this is true.
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Sorry, no. Extreme examples...

Dodgers lost 5 top starting pitchers, Betts, Muncy, Edman and Chris Taylor. That's 9 of their top 15. Look at their active roster. Their second tier is waaaaaaay better than the Reds 2nd tier. Not even a discussion.

Ditto for the Braves. Lost Strider, Lopez, Acuna, Albies, Harris. That's 5 of their top 12. Their second tier is also far superior.

There are other examples. Orioles and Astros lost most of their starting rotation. Quality depth matters. How can you be such an ardent fan of the game and not know this?
 
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wolves82 said:
Sorry, no. Extreme examples...

Dodgers lost 5 top starting pitchers, Betts, Muncy, Edman and Chris Taylor. That's 9 of their top 15. Look at their active roster. Their second tier is waaaaaaay better than the Reds 2nd tier. Not even a discussion.

Ditto for the Braves. Lost Strider, Lopez, Acuna, Albies, Harris. That's 5 of their top 12. Their second tier is also far superior.

There are other examples. Orioles and Astros lost most of their starting rotation. Quality depth matters. How can you be such an ardent fan of the game and not know this?
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I do know this, but here's the thing, you guys want the Reds to bail from every situation when they don't win for a stretch of time. Pro sports does not work that way. The Dodgers, Braves, certain teams just go out and spend money, sometimes it works, alot of times it does not. If the Reds just went out and spent a bunch of money, it wouldn't guarantee they'd win. GENERALLY speaking, those last 10-15 guys on your roster is just guys filling out a team. Do some not have to contribute as much as some others, yes of course.
 
I will give Bell credit, or whoever puts the lineup together, they've stuck with India, Elly, Steer, Stevenson pretty much in the top 4-5 slots in the lineup on a daily basis. To me it's kind of a big start for Lodolo. We really need him to string together some consistent good starts. It seems like he's 1-2 really good starts, then a so-so, or skip start then start the process over.

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Wanted to offer a nugget of good news for Reds fans, in a season where I feel expectations was probably a reach for a bunch of young unproven guys. But anyway going into the season, we were all but resigned to the fact that we were probably going to need to upgrade at catcher moving forward after this season. Well, in steps Tyler Stephenson, folks he's had a tremendous season, both with the bat and defensively. Remember last year when we really questioned what happened to him defensively. The Reds were looking at using Luke Maile for certain pitchers becasue of the comfort level/ calling pitches and he was just miles ahead defensively and at times both were about the same hitting.
Now some may run to the stats and say hey, he's only hitting .241 with 13 homers, and last year he hit .243 and had 13 homers. Here's the difference, he had about 170 more at bats at the end of last season. So he's already at some of these numbers already. He just seems alot better this season, and better defensively.
 
Gh0st said:
Reds are weird anomaly. Only team in baseball with a positive runs scored/ runs allowed with a losing record.
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Technically the Cubs are (+1) run differential, but yes, you are right. It is really strange to be (+41) run differential and 3 games under .500. It is primarily due to their terrible record in 1 run games, mostly caused by some fundamental mistakes by players and poor in game management by Bell.
 
wolves82 said:
Technically the Cubs are (+1) run differential, but yes, you are right. It is really strange to be (+41) run differential and 3 games under .500. It is primarily due to their terrible record in 1 run games, mostly caused by some fundamental mistakes by players and poor in game management by Bell.
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When I posted were a -3 and won 7-3, but yes, technically also have a positive ratio. Saw an article about the Red poor performances in final games of the series and talked about David Bell giving his starters so many days off. I agree. Far too often is he running out a triple A roster to essentially throw away a final game of a series. I suspect he does it to try to ward off injury? Well that doesn’t work. Reds have been just as plagued if not more by injuries than any other team. Save players for the playoffs? Doesn’t really make sense when your team has had such a long playoff drought.
 
The run differential is an odd statistic because many times in games that are semi close and then get away, managers immediately either go to their worst relief pitchers or just leave a guy in to "take one for the team" The Reds bullpen, as a group has been pretty good, so even the Buck Farmers, Brett Suters, Justin Wilsons are even pretty good compared to some other teams.
 
Probably a good day to get Steer out of the lineup, he's been struggling lately. I'm a big Steer fan, yet I'd say to this point, he's been a little disappointing. He's dipped all the way down to .226 and pretty much all of his numbers are trending down. I am surprised that Espinal is the choice for left field and not Stu Fairchild. Espinal is not an outfielder.

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So tell me if you've not seen this story....team seems to be getting some momentum, the pitching matchup looks favorable, and we lay and egg, for the 18th time this season.
Andrew Abbott, one of our most consistent pitchers all season, gets rocked for 5 runs in the first inning and the woeful Marlins make it stand in a 6-4 loss. Now the Reds had scored 18 runs in the first two games, so even down 5-0, you still felt with 8 at bats left, you could still make a run at it. Threatened a few times, and a 7th inning grand slam really made it look like it could happen, but a 9th inning rally fell short.
So today, we have our stud, Hunter Greene, anyone care to wager on this one tonight?
 
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