lol. he goes 4-4, game of his life.Tonight's lineup. I'm guessing France must not be in Cincy yet. Having Espinal as a DH seems like a major waste.
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I agree, but he won't be fired.If the Reds don’t make the playoffs, Nick Krall should be fired.
The deadline moves he made were essentially “go for it” if your definition of going for it is to risk absolutely nothing.
He essentially traded away an underperforming SP (Montas) to move a fellow shaky starter (Martinez) into his rotation spot while acquiring Junis to take Martinez’s long-relief spot.
He added Ty France to move Steer back to LF, essentially benching a garbage outfielder nightly while giving away Austin Slater for the favored Castellini return (cash).
And Lucas Sims isn’t much of a loss since the Reds will have a glut of relievers whenever Pagan returns.
Meanwhile, nothing was done for the near future except possibly finding a replacement for Stuart Fairchild’s future roster spot in Joey Wiemer.
If his deadline goal was “to give this team a chance,” then he should be judged on how far the 2024 Reds go.
Oh Espinal....stuck it too me last night!!!Tonight's lineup. I'm guessing France must not be in Cincy yet. Having Espinal as a DH seems like a major waste.
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Ok, let's back up a second. I don't know of anyone who was guaranteeing playoffs for 2024.... let's review....If the Reds don’t make the playoffs, Nick Krall should be fired.
The deadline moves he made were essentially “go for it” if your definition of going for it is to risk absolutely nothing.
He essentially traded away an underperforming SP (Montas) to move a fellow shaky starter (Martinez) into his rotation spot while acquiring Junis to take Martinez’s long-relief spot.
He added Ty France to move Steer back to LF, essentially benching a garbage outfielder nightly while giving away Austin Slater for the favored Castellini return (cash).
And Lucas Sims isn’t much of a loss since the Reds will have a glut of relievers whenever Pagan returns.
Meanwhile, nothing was done for the near future except possibly finding a replacement for Stuart Fairchild’s future roster spot in Joey Wiemer.
If his deadline goal was “to give this team a chance,” then he should be judged on how far the 2024 Reds go.
That's a lot of typing for all the history that everyone on this thread knows.Ok, let's back up a second. I don't know of anyone who was guaranteeing playoffs for 2024.... let's review....
We have to be completely honest about this season, Fairchild, Benson, Espinal were not going to replace McLain, Marte and Friedl. Yes, they are major league players, but not near the same skill sets. You say why not go get better subs....with what? Any, and all trade discussions begins with teams asking for Elly, Greene, Lodolo, Lowder, Burnes, Steer, Marte and CES..... YOU. ARE. NOT. GOING. TO. TRADE. THOSE. GUYS.
- Going into the season, WITH, a full squad, we hoped if all things went well, this team would make the playoffs (remember this)
- Before the season even starts... Matt McLain, late start, injures shoulder, shoulder surgery MAY be back by August
- Noeveli Marte, suspended 80 games for PED use, out untl July
- Nick Lodolo does not start the season in the rotation
- TJ Friedl - starting centerfielder, leadoff man, out until May, comes back, plays a month, then misses a month. Friedl has played in only 32 games this season
- Chrsitian Encarnacion-Strand played 29 games this season.
You are correct, nothing was done for the near future because it's not necessary, and to make it happen you would have had to mortgage the future.
I have to review sometimes because I think people forget what we have, what has happened this season. I don't know what Bryan De La Cruz could do for us. I don't think the Marlins or Nationals "have it in" for the Reds. So unless you have an office next to Nick Krall and are in on all the conversations, I don't know how you can just leap to assumptions that the Reds are not trying.That's a lot of typing for all the history that everyone on this thread knows.
Also, no one suggested trading any of the core group that you typed out so furiously.
Bottom line
#1 - Pirates got Bryan De La Cruz for their #17 and #18 prospects. Can you name the Reds #17 and #18 prospects? Nope? Neither could I. Here they are:
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#2 - Guardians got Lane Thomas for their #8 and #22 prospects, plus a kid outside their top 30. The Reds #8 and #22 are Ricardo Cabrera and Ethan O'Donnell.
So Krall could have picked up BDLC or Lane Thomas for essentially nothing. Both are very good young outfielders and bats. Instead, he did not do that.
All I'm saying is that two other low payroll budget teams made the calls to Washington and Florida and came away with good outfielders for very little in terms of assets. Did Krall make the calls? I have no idea. All I can judge is the results. Clearly the Pirates and Guardians did better.I have to review sometimes because I think people forget what we have, what has happened this season. I don't know what Bryan De La Cruz could do for us. I don't think the Marlins or Nationals "have it in" for the Reds. So unless you have an office next to Nick Krall and are in on all the conversations, I don't know how you can just leap to assumptions that the Reds are not trying.
One thing that seems to be abundantly clear with the current Reds organization. They want to bring in good team guys. Again I don't know anything about De La Cruz or Lane Thomas, but my guess is if the Pirates and Guardians got these guys, and the Dodgers, Yankees, Cubs, Mets, Phillies did not, there must be something about them.
Someone brought up Randy Arozaena a few days ago. If you recall a few years back, Arozarena was arrested on domestic violence charges. The Reds just don't put up with that stuff.
In related news, the White Sox have lost a franchise-record 17 in a row.Some non-Reds news.... Nick Senzel was signed by the Chicago White Sox a few weeks ago and is starting at 3B for them. Former Reds farmhand Chuckie Robinson is catching for the White Sox today.
You say “We have to be completely honest about this season.” I agree. So why doesn’t Nick Krall have to be honest about this season?Ok, let's back up a second. I don't know of anyone who was guaranteeing playoffs for 2024.... let's review....
We have to be completely honest about this season, Fairchild, Benson, Espinal were not going to replace McLain, Marte and Friedl. Yes, they are major league players, but not near the same skill sets. You say why not go get better subs....with what? Any, and all trade discussions begins with teams asking for Elly, Greene, Lodolo, Lowder, Burnes, Steer, Marte and CES..... YOU. ARE. NOT. GOING. TO. TRADE. THOSE. GUYS.
- Going into the season, WITH, a full squad, we hoped if all things went well, this team would make the playoffs (remember this)
- Before the season even starts... Matt McLain, late start, injures shoulder, shoulder surgery MAY be back by August
- Noeveli Marte, suspended 80 games for PED use, out untl July
- Nick Lodolo does not start the season in the rotation
- TJ Friedl - starting centerfielder, leadoff man, out until May, comes back, plays a month, then misses a month. Friedl has played in only 32 games this season
- Chrsitian Encarnacion-Strand played 29 games this season.
You are correct, nothing was done for the near future because it's not necessary, and to make it happen you would have had to mortgage the future.
Amazing 1969 Mets need to lookout. This ChiSox club could lose more than 120 games. Actually on pace for 40-122.In related news, the White Sox have lost a franchise-record 17 in a row.
100%.You say “We have to be completely honest about this season.” I agree. So why doesn’t Nick Krall have to be honest about this season?
They are 52-56 and 5.5 games out of a playoff spot, trailing several teams that just improved their rosters. Nick Krall’s post-deadline interviews all said the same thing: We want to give this team every chance to win. And he routinely cited the at-the-time +41 run differential and numerous one-run losses.
Yet he:
1. Doesn’t acknowledge the teams in front of him all notably supplemented their rosters.
2. Doesn’t fire Bell, who is the root cause of the +41 run differential being totally askew of the win-loss record.
3. Doesn’t do anything appreciable to supplement the 2024 Reds, unless you consider Jakob Junis and DFA’ed Ty France to be appreciable. I don’t.
He admitted in interviews he could’ve traded 3 or 4 more relievers, at minimum. That’s what a realist would’ve done.
And don’t act like the roster is set for next year and it’s not necessary to bolster the future. At minimum they should be bringing in two new outfielders, pushing one or both of Fraley and Benson to AAA and jettisoning Fairchild. Backup catcher needs to be addressed. And a SP wouldn’t be a bad idea given the rash of pitching injuries around the league that mostly avoided the Reds’ rotation this year. And as we’ve seen, they have no position player depth in Louisville, which is why it would be nice to push some current Reds OF to Louisville.
Krall is the GM, he doesn't have to answer any questions asked of him. He's not responsible to anyone except the Castellinis.You say “We have to be completely honest about this season.” I agree. So why doesn’t Nick Krall have to be honest about this season?
They are 52-56 and 5.5 games out of a playoff spot, trailing several teams that just improved their rosters. Nick Krall’s post-deadline interviews all said the same thing: We want to give this team every chance to win. And he routinely cited the at-the-time +41 run differential and numerous one-run losses.
Yet he:
1. Doesn’t acknowledge the teams in front of him all notably supplemented their rosters.
2. Doesn’t fire Bell, who is the root cause of the +41 run differential being totally askew of the win-loss record.
3. Doesn’t do anything appreciable to supplement the 2024 Reds, unless you consider Jakob Junis and DFA’ed Ty France to be appreciable. I don’t.
He admitted in interviews he could’ve traded 3 or 4 more relievers, at minimum. That’s what a realist would’ve done.
And don’t act like the roster is set for next year and it’s not necessary to bolster the future. At minimum they should be bringing in two new outfielders, pushing one or both of Fraley and Benson to AAA and jettisoning Fairchild. Backup catcher needs to be addressed. And a SP wouldn’t be a bad idea given the rash of pitching injuries around the league that mostly avoided the Reds’ rotation this year. And as we’ve seen, they have no position player depth in Louisville, which is why it would be nice to push some current Reds OF to Louisville.
I already showed you the asking price for Bryan De La Cruz and Lane Thomas. You read and responded to that post. The price was very low.Krall is the GM, he doesn't have to answer any questions asked of him. He's not responsible to anyone except the Castellinis.
Maybe the Reds tried to supplement their rosters, but the asking prices were too high
So they traded for France so that they could unload a catcher from the low minors?The acquisions of France and Junis were more about moving players off the Reds than acquiring talent. If France can somehow hit a little bit, he could be brought back next year as a bench guy, but likely not.
My bad, I need to explain France a little more. To me the onus of trading for France is for Steer to become a full time left fielder for the rest of the season. I think Candelario's knees are day to day, and they feel like they've had to put Steer at first.So they traded for France so that they could unload a catcher from the low minors?
F**k this team.100%.
And on top of the trade deadline mess, the management group picks yesterday to announce the front office "shakeup" that Phil Castellini is promoted to CEO & President. So the players in the clubhouse know that nothing will be changing in the immediate future, since Phil is an empty-headed puppet that does whatever daddy says.
Getting their brains beat out by the Cubs yesterday, the Reds look like a team that is resigned to their fate. The players are human. Do something to give them hope and bolster their attitude. Instead, management says "you will get no help this year, and the biggest penny-pinching sweetie in the ownership group is in charge." Demoralizing for the players and fans like us.
Bc the Reds don’t have the $ to get away with having such a regarded FO.My bad, I need to explain France a little more. To me the onus of trading for France is for Steer to become a full time left fielder for the rest of the season. I think Candelario's knees are day to day, and they feel like they've had to put Steer at first.
I'm not here to defend Krall, but I also do not understand why people get so bent out of shape about front offices???
When a team wins the world series, does everyone immediately point to the ownership group? Of course not. Does anyone remember who owns and runs the Texas Rangers from last season? No. Why?? Because we CREDIT the players when teams win. When teams fail, for some reason people immediately blame the owner, GM, manager. They players win and lose games, it's ok to blame them.
The GM puts the team together. No doubt players/coaches play the game. But the front office is responsible for the team.My bad, I need to explain France a little more. To me the onus of trading for France is for Steer to become a full time left fielder for the rest of the season. I think Candelario's knees are day to day, and they feel like they've had to put Steer at first.
I'm not here to defend Krall, but I also do not understand why people get so bent out of shape about front offices???
When a team wins the world series, does everyone immediately point to the ownership group? Of course not. Does anyone remember who owns and runs the Texas Rangers from last season? No. Why?? Because we CREDIT the players when teams win. When teams fail, for some reason people immediately blame the owner, GM, manager. They players win and lose games, it's ok to blame them.
The acquisions of France and Junis were more about moving players off the Reds than acquiring talent. If France can somehow hit a little bit, he could be brought back next year as a bench guy, but likely not.
You posted, in plain English, the reason for the France and Junis acquisitions was to move players off the Reds roster. It would have been simpler to say "ooops I was wrong" than try to backpedal and talk about Steer's position change.My bad, I need to explain France a little more. To me the onus of trading for France is for Steer to become a full time left fielder for the rest of the season. I think Candelario's knees are day to day, and they feel like they've had to put Steer at first.
100%. All rosters are not created equal.The GM puts the team together. No doubt players/coaches play the game. But the front office is responsible for the team.
Oops, I was wrong. They want Steer to play the outfield more.You posted, in plain English, the reason for the France and Junis acquisitions was to move players off the Reds roster. It would have been simpler to say "ooops I was wrong" than try to backpedal and talk about Steer's position change.
You’re correct, it’s on Lodolo. However it’s not on Benson that he’s in the lineup and hitting .190. It’s on the front office because there are not alternatives. You have to see the difference. Benson, Fairchild, Fraley, Hinds, etc are not adequate big league players. The front office is responsible for them. It’s not that they were .280 hitters with pop and are having poor seasons.Ok can I use a very simple comparison for you guys who just love to go to the top with criticisms...
Let's say you or a loved one was in the hospital for a surgery. Something goes sideways and the surgery is a big mess. Who do you blame? The surgeon, or the hospital administrator???
The surgeon made the mistake!!!!
Flip to the Reds. If Nick Lodolo has a crappy outing like last night, it's HIS fault!!! Not Nick Krall, or Phil Castillini??? Why is it hard to blame the players? Do you feel like less of a fan if you bag on the players? I just think fans (and media) are reluctant to blame the people who make the errors and just blame it on some entity that is obscure. Yes, ultimately if the manager, player does a poor enough job, they will be replaced by upper management, that's the way it works.
Of course in that example it is Lodolo's issue, or the surgeon's fault.Ok can I use a very simple comparison for you guys who just love to go to the top with criticisms...
Let's say you or a loved one was in the hospital for a surgery. Something goes sideways and the surgery is a big mess. Who do you blame? The surgeon, or the hospital administrator???
The surgeon made the mistake!!!!
Flip to the Reds. If Nick Lodolo has a crappy outing like last night, it's HIS fault!!! Not Nick Krall, or Phil Castillini??? Why is it hard to blame the players? Do you feel like less of a fan if you bag on the players? I just think fans (and media) are reluctant to blame the people who make the errors and just blame it on some entity that is obscure. Yes, ultimately if the manager, player does a poor enough job, they will be replaced by upper management, that's the way it works.
Of course in that example it is Lodolo's issue, or the surgeon's fault.
What if the hospital administrators only had 4 competent doctors in the entire hospital, and hired a bunch of cheap doctors from 3rd world countries with questionable education? And many of those inadequate doctors had to do surgeries every day? Then is it the administrators fault? YES!
This is what you cannot seem to grasp. The Reds do not have enough MLB quality players in the organization. That is squarely on the management,