The Official 2023 Cincinnati Reds Thread

wolves82 said:
I did not make any decisions for you, I said "Your philosophy seems to be...", which means that based on your comments, that's how I interpret it. READ ALL THE WORDS.

As for Big Business, I love big business. I'm part owner of a small software service provider, and all of our customers are big businesses. When they do well and are profitable, our business does better.

I realize that not every MLB team can win. I just want my team to try to win, and to do so intelligently. Is that so wrong?
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And your business is evaluated on what....dollars. You have to stay financially fit to keep your doors open. Now I'm not saying a pro sports team is the same as a small software company, but many fans have this feeling that ALL pro sports teams can just pay, pay pay...it doesn't work that way. The Castelini's are the majority owners of the Reds, but they have to answer to other directors of the board and investors of the Reds.
Owning a pro sports team IS good for these guys, otherwise they'd sell the teams.
We have no control over how they spend their money or who owns the team, so why sweat it??
You WANT your team to win, that's a step in the right direction.
 
14Red said:
Man, you should be a MLB general manager? You have all the answers after the season is over.
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I don’t think Wolves and I could do much worse than what the actual Reds front office has produced over the past 30 years, especially from 2000 forward.

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14Red said:
As fans we can only decide to support the team or not. I like baseball, I like the Reds. I know that with 30 teams in major league baseball that not every team wins. Lance McCallister put up on his Twitter that 12 of the 30 teams have not won a world series since the Reds in 1990. That's more than a third. The tired phrase that they NEVER win is simply not true.
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Seventeen franchises have won at least one World Series since the 1990 Reds. Seven other franchises have made it to at least one World Series post-1990 but not won one in that span: Texas, Cleveland, Detroit, San Diego, Tampa Bay, Colorado and the Mets.

That leaves six teams out of 30 that haven’t made a World Series post-1990:

1. Reds — haven’t advanced in the playoffs since 1995, which I believe is now the longest such drought in MLB.

2. Pirates — Poverty franchise; fans want cheap owner to sell team.

3. Orioles — Poverty franchise; fans want dysfunctional family who owns the team to sell it.

4. A’s — Poverty franchise; fans have abandoned team due to owner’s cheap ways.

5. Mariners — Missed playoffs for two decades straight. Now have taken some of the Reds’ best players and made it to ALDS this year.

6. Brewers — At least they try.

Fine company the Reds are keeping. By any measure, they are objectively one of the least successful franchises for 30+ years.

It’s true, it’s true. Trust me …
 
AEW Champion said:
Seventeen franchises have won at least one World Series since the 1990 Reds. Seven other franchises have made it to at least one World Series post-1990 but not won one in that span: Texas, Cleveland, Detroit, San Diego, Tampa Bay, Colorado and the Mets.

That leaves six teams out of 30 that haven’t made a World Series post-1990:

1. Reds — haven’t advanced in the playoffs since 1995, which I believe is now the longest such drought in MLB.

2. Pirates — Poverty franchise; fans want cheap owner to sell team.

3. Orioles — Poverty franchise; fans want dysfunctional family who owns the team to sell it.

4. A’s — Poverty franchise; fans have abandoned team due to owner’s cheap ways.

5. Mariners — Missed playoffs for two decades straight. Now have taken some of the Reds’ best players and made it to ALDS this year.

6. Brewers — At least they try.

Fine company the Reds are keeping. By any measure, they are objectively one of the least successful franchises for 30+ years.

It’s true, it’s true. Trust me …
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Ok, we know this....
 
14Red said:
And your business is evaluated on what....dollars. You have to stay financially fit to keep your doors open. Now I'm not saying a pro sports team is the same as a small software company, but many fans have this feeling that ALL pro sports teams can just pay, pay pay...it doesn't work that way. The Castelini's are the majority owners of the Reds, but they have to answer to other directors of the board and investors of the Reds.
Owning a pro sports team IS good for these guys, otherwise they'd sell the teams.
We have no control over how they spend their money or who owns the team, so why sweat it??
You WANT your team to win, that's a step in the right direction.
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But if I was trying to make a big profit from my little company by hiring cheap/terrible employees that could not write good software or give them good service, my customers would not stand for it. They would insist on getting a refund, or just leave me altogether.

That is what the Reds are doing to us, and you don't seem to mind. I can tell you it bothers most fans.
 
wolves82 said:
But if I was trying to make a big profit from my little company by hiring cheap/terrible employees that could not write good software or give them good service, my customers would not stand for it. They would insist on getting a refund, or just leave me altogether.

That is what the Reds are doing to us, and you don't seem to mind. I can tell you it bothers most fans.
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Perfect post!

It’s true, it’s true. Trust me …
 
wolves82 said:
But if I was trying to make a big profit from my little company by hiring cheap/terrible employees that could not write good software or give them good service, my customers would not stand for it. They would insist on getting a refund, or just leave me altogether.

That is what the Reds are doing to us, and you don't seem to mind. I can tell you it bothers most fans.
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Ok I'm out on this subject. I can't explain it any better. You guys want to be bitter fans - have at it. You do realize the players on the Reds are the best baseball players in the world? There are very few jobs like this. Not criticizing your business, but there are ALOT of people who can write software and do what you need them to do. My guess there are THOUSANDS of software jobs out there. So yes, if you find someone you like and you don't want to lose them, you'll overpay for their services.
I know there will be Reds baseball next spring, and I'm optimistic the young arms and the younger talent in the A, AA level will eventually make us a contender. I'll likely go to 3-4 games next season like I normally do because I enjoy the experience. But more importantly I'll follow as much as I can on the radio and TV. You guys keep beating the dead horse of the ownership group and good luck with that.
 
14Red said:
Ok I'm out on this subject. I can't explain it any better. You guys want to be bitter fans - have at it. You do realize the players on the Reds are the best baseball players in the world? There are very few jobs like this. Not criticizing your business, but there are ALOT of people who can write software and do what you need them to do. My guess there are THOUSANDS of software jobs out there. So yes, if you find someone you like and you don't want to lose them, you'll overpay for their services.
I know there will be Reds baseball next spring, and I'm optimistic the young arms and the younger talent in the A, AA level will eventually make us a contender. I'll likely go to 3-4 games next season like I normally do because I enjoy the experience. But more importantly I'll follow as much as I can on the radio and TV. You guys keep beating the dead horse of the ownership group and good luck with that.
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We get it. You don't care about quality products. That is your choice.
 
14Red said:
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Comparing an upstart American soccer club to a history baseball franchise....
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm in my mid 50's, when I was growing up in the 70's and 80's they said soccer would soon take over the sports world...we're still waiting...50 years later. Pele was more popular then, than any soccer player is now.
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Soccer is easily the largest sport in the world.
 
Gh0st said:
This team will lose fans in the next 2-3 years. Revenue will catch up to the product on the field and the losing attitude of ownership. The threat to move the team to another city was next level stupid.
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I have been a devoted Reds fan for my entire life. Until this year, I never missed a day of Reds baseball whether it was a game or off season story/move.

I did not watch a game this year. I'm the fan(s) that should scare the hell out of Castellini.
 
AEW Champion said:
Still no word on whether Phil and Krall will be tarred and feathered at Fountain Square to kick off RedsFest.

But I did get an email recently from the Reds seeking RedsFest volunteers. I feel like they’re kind of asking a bit much. You have to commit to a full 9-hour shift. You can’t just work a few hours and be done. You have to attend a training session a few nights prior to the event. You have no say over the type of work they give you. You only get: 1. A free meal during your shift. 2. A parking stipend. 3. Two View Level tickets to a non-premium game in 2023 (that would undoubtedly be available for $5 a pop on the secondary market anyway). You do not get any parking stipend for the training night.

Doesn’t seem like a great deal to me.

It’s true, it’s true. Trust me …
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How tight are the Reds? They ask for volunteers to host their events.

Lmao
 
I guess it could be worse. The White Sox announced yesterday that they’re canceling this year’s SoxFest “due to a number of factors,” none of which were disclosed. In other words, none of the execs want to face the heat from an irate fanbase.

It’s true, it’s true. Trust me …
 
Indiandad said:
I have been a devoted Reds fan for my entire life. Until this year, I never missed a day of Reds baseball whether it was a game or off season story/move.

I did not watch a game this year. I'm the fan(s) that should scare the hell out of Castellini.
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14Red would look down on you and tell you you're a bandwagon fan.

Personally, watching the Phillies makes me envious. Their fans are great and the team is exciting.
 
Would the Reds front office have a clue in what a winning local franchise can do for its fan base. Three years ago many cincy area fans wouldn’t know who/what/when the Bengals were playing on any given Sunday. Yesterday I spent the day in a local watering hole completely filled with jersey wearing fans. Young and old alike. Spent a Friday at the Zoo last month. Bengal clothing being worn every place I looked. Did not see a single piece of Reds merchandise. Sad to see actually. I have always been a lukewarm Bengals fan but a huge Reds fan. Completely disinterested at this time.
 
Gh0st said:
14Red would look down on you and tell you you're a bandwagon fan.

Personally, watching the Phillies makes me envious. Their fans are great and the team is exciting.
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Yes. Tuned in yesterday for the last few innings, after 1pm football. 14Red would also tell you that spending on players does not matter. But then you see that lineup (Harper, Hoskins, Realmuto, Schwarber, Castellanos) and you realize that maybe spending on players might help you win more.

That owners attitude ("I want that damn trophy") was refreshing. If only the Reds had a billionaire who wanted to win, instead of a guy with half a billion who just wants to make more money, and doesn't mind losing or screwing over a fan base.

#SellTheTeamBob
 
wolves82 said:
Yes. Tuned in yesterday for the last few innings, after 1pm football. 14Red would also tell you that spending on players does not matter. But then you see that lineup (Harper, Hoskins, Realmuto, Schwarber, Castellanos) and you realize that maybe spending on players might help you win more.

That owners attitude ("I want that damn trophy") was refreshing. If only the Reds had a billionaire who wanted to win, instead of a guy with half a billion who just wants to make more money, and doesn't mind losing or screwing over a fan base.

#SellTheTeamBob
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AEW Champion said:
I guess it could be worse. The White Sox announced yesterday that they’re canceling this year’s SoxFest “due to a number of factors,” none of which were disclosed. In other words, none of the execs want to face the heat from an irate fanbase.

It’s true, it’s true. Trust me …
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It's pretty well known around baseball that Redsfest is one of the best off season fan interactive events. Most teams either don't do one, or it's not well attended. Considering Chicago and the White Sox, I don't see that as a big time, long standing fan base.
Many of you don't understand how great of a relationship the Reds have with their fanbase. Now truth be told, my generation, basically age 50 and up grew up with the big Red Machine and the 1990 teams and it really cemented our fandom (or at least most). Chicago has other major sports franchises and it's not really a fanbase that loves baseball, the Cubs withstanding.
 
14Red said:
It's pretty well known around baseball that Redsfest is one of the best off season fan interactive events. Most teams either don't do one, or it's not well attended. Considering Chicago and the White Sox, I don't see that as a big time, long standing fan base.
Many of you don't understand how great of a relationship the Reds have with their fanbase. Now truth be told, my generation, basically age 50 and up grew up with the big Red Machine and the 1990 teams and it really cemented our fandom (or at least most). Chicago has other major sports franchises and it's not really a fanbase that loves baseball, the Cubs withstanding.
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You couldn’t be more wrong regarding the White Sox fanbase. It doesn’t have as many fans as the Cubs — mostly because there is a party atmosphere in Wrigleyville that draws in college kids and young adults when they move into Chicago, and because of the historic nature of Wrigley Field. And also the WGN era for the Cubs created a larger national fanbase, which rears its head when the Cubs travel to places like GABP.

The fans the White Sox have are an entrenched, hardcore group, a lot of which are working-class South Siders and some from the suburbs where fandom has been passed from generation to generation. If that’s not considered long standing, I don’t know who would be.

It’s true, it’s true. Trust me …
 
14Red said:
Yep, Archie Bradley was the lynchpin to our bullpen success....give me a break. All you guys said is they should have run it back this year. Good heavens you guys are dense.
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Hats off to the most ironic post on Yappi. Truly something to be proud of.
 
14Red said:
Thanks for making my decisions for me, that's very liberal of you. 🤣

I think the Reds and most small market teams have to be REALLY careful how they spend. The Yankees probably have more money tied up in guys NOT on the playoff roster than the Reds regular team. Big market teams have less worreis, they can overspend and get away with it. The Red Sox and Angels are the exact opposite of the Reds in they spend alot of money and yet they don't win.

I could care less if the owners make a profit. I really could care less who owns the teams. It's amazing that many of you guys are so bitter towards big business that it just clouds any enjoyment of being a fan. Is it really that bad?? I mean do you want the Reds to sell and go to another city? The Reds are a historic, long standing franchise in major league baseball. It's an institution for the city.

As fans we can only decide to support the team or not. I like baseball, I like the Reds. I know that with 30 teams in major league baseball that not every team wins. Lance McCallister put up on his Twitter that 12 of the 30 teams have not won a world series since the Reds in 1990. That's more than a third. The tired phrase that they NEVER win is simply not true.

I choose to support the team and be positive. It makes being a fan much better. You should try it.
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If Bob and Phil can’t afford to field a competitive team, they can’t afford an MLB team. No one’s asking for a World Series so I’m not sure why you keep bringing that up other than to deflect from your terrible opinions. The fans are asking for a team that doesn’t finish in the bottom half of the division, let alone conference and maybe a playoff series win every 5-10 years.
 
14Red said:
Many of you don't understand how great of a relationship the Reds have with their fanbase.
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That relationship is eroding. Between the mismanagement of the roster, the fiscal tight-waddery, and Castellini's comments, it has become a one-sided, abusive relationship. Only the spineless few (like you) are willing to sit there and take it, and profess blind loyalty.

See Indiandad's post above, for a perfect example. He was a good fan. He was a regular, enthusiastic poster on this thread in year's past. Sometimes he and I disagreed about strategic ideas for the Reds, but I respected his fandom. Now he has tuned out, and so have many others.
 
14Red said:
Considering Chicago and the White Sox, I don't see that as a big time, long standing fan base.
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Imagine being so unaware of anything outside of your own little world view that you would post this. The White Sox are almost as old as the Reds, and have a long-standing, loyal fan base.
 
14Red said:
Now truth be told, my generation, basically age 50 and up grew up with the big Red Machine and the 1990 teams and it really cemented our fandom (or at least most). Chicago has other major sports franchises and it's not really a fanbase that loves baseball, the Cubs withstanding.
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wolves, boy you know how to cut at the right time. Here was the rest of my post where I clearly state that the Reds fan base is an aged one. For many baseball fans in Ohio age 50+, from east central Ohio, through Kentucky, Tennesse, Indiana from about Ft. Wayne south, it's a Reds fan base. Now many that are 35 and under, probably have branched off to other teams, but that's not unusual for alot of younger fans. But rest assurded, WHEN the Reds will, all y'all will be back.
 
14Red said:
wolves, boy you know how to cut at the right time. Here was the rest of my post where I clearly state that the Reds fan base is an aged one. For many baseball fans in Ohio age 50+, from east central Ohio, through Kentucky, Tennesse, Indiana from about Ft. Wayne south, it's a Reds fan base. Now many that are 35 and under, probably have branched off to other teams, but that's not unusual for alot of younger fans. But rest assurded, WHEN the Reds will, all y'all will be back.
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The young fans who abandoned the Reds to root for other teams aren’t going to come back, certainly not in any significant numbers.

That’s how a perpetual losing franchise like the Reds slowly but surely decays its fanbase: Not with the old folks for the most part, but with young people who either were or potentially could have been fans, but abandoned being a Reds fan for another team or perhaps giving up on MLB entirely.

Have you ever asked yourself: When the Cubs, Cardinals, Braves, Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, etc. come into town and their fans overrun GABP, how many of those fans are probably from Reds Country but gave up on the Reds at a young age because they wanted to root for a winner? I guarantee a healthy segment of those people are from this region, not all traveling in from Atlanta or LA or New York or Boston or Chicago.

Lastly, remember recently when you posted that all was well because the Reds franchise is worth $1.1 billion or something like that? Now ask yourself why the Cardinals, who have a similar market as Cincinnati aside from no NFL team anymore, are worth around $2.5 billion.

It’s true, it’s true. Trust me …
 
AEW Champion said:
The young fans who abandoned the Reds to root for other teams aren’t going to come back, certainly not in any significant numbers.

That’s how a perpetual losing franchise like the Reds slowly but surely decays its fanbase: Not with the old folks for the most part, but with young people who either were or potentially could have been fans, but abandoned being a Reds fan for another team or perhaps giving up on MLB entirely.

Have you ever asked yourself: When the Cubs, Cardinals, Braves, Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, etc. come into town and their fans overrun GABP, how many of those fans are probably from Reds Country but gave up on the Reds at a young age because they wanted to root for a winner? I guarantee a healthy segment of those people are from this region, not all traveling in from Atlanta or LA or New York or Boston or Chicago.

Lastly, remember recently when you posted that all was well because the Reds franchise is worth $1.1 billion or something like that? Now ask yourself why the Cardinals, who have a similar market as Cincinnati aside from no NFL team anymore, are worth around $2.5 billion.

It’s true, it’s true. Trust me …
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First of all there's nothing else in St. Louis, and I hate to say it, it's more of a baseball town than Cincinnati, and I believe that when I posted that, my point was when the Castelini's bought the Reds it was like $270 million in 2006. So yes, I'd say for the Castellini's all is well. And now I'm commenting on something I said I wouldn't so.... 🤫 It does not matter.
 
14Red said:
First of all there's nothing else in St. Louis, and I hate to say it, it's more of a baseball town than Cincinnati, and I believe that when I posted that, my point was when the Castelini's bought the Reds it was like $270 million in 2006. So yes, I'd say for the Castellini's all is well. And now I'm commenting on something I said I wouldn't so.... 🤫 It does not matter.
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That does not account for a 2.5x difference in valuation.

That’s only 19% increase per year which is awful for pro sports. The Pittsburg Pirates were purchased in 2007 for $274m and is now worth $1.320b - an average annual return of 25.5%. Now explain the difference there.
 
The Cardinals valuation being 2.5 times higher than that of the Reds has nothing to do with the fact that Cincy has an NFL team and St. Louis does not. The reasons that the valuation is higher:
1) Their local cable TV ratings are higher (more local TV revenue)
2) They fill up that stadium pretty regularly (more stadium revenue, more logo sales)
3) They win. Let's face it, if a billionaire is going to buy a sports franchise, they want one that is going to help their image. Most of those guys have become billionaires because they are smart, driven, and have a bit of an ego. They generally win in business, and they will pay more for a franchise that wins.

You'd think a business person like Castellini would know "you have to spend money to make money".

Even my wife knows that, but she says it when she is ordering new shoes or more crap to decorate the house. I just smile and say "that's right honey".
 
Orin Swift said:
That does not account for a 2.5x difference in valuation.

That’s only 19% increase per year which is awful for pro sports. The Pittsburg Pirates were purchased in 2007 for $274m and is now worth $1.320b - an average annual return of 25.5%. Now explain the difference there.
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