The Official 2022 Cincinnati Reds Thread

D4fan said:
Thinking back to the words of Castellini back on opening day, he reminded fans we need to get used to the great young players who come up through the program putting in a couple years in the Reds organization then when that second contract comes around they will be traded or released to a club with enough money to pay them.

My thought on why they are selecting journeymen to fill open roster spots is they do not want the clock to start ticking on good young players before they are ready. Arbitration eligible young players can sink club payroll nearly as fast as long term guaranteed bonus laiden contracts offered to veterans. That "tick-tick-tick" is not Bob Castellini's head getting ready to explode but is the time clock started on players who are brought up before they can contribute in a level required to make them a great value to ownership.
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Uhh... Hunter Greene?
 
14Red said:
1. I plan to go to a few games this summer, and I always get them through the secondary market. I mean you can sit behind the dugout for $20 / $30. One upside of a bad year is that us normal people can get great seats without taking out a loan. My guess is most teams not winning have quiet stadiums. And not, the only thing that matters to players is what numbers are on that check they get every other week. They could care less where they are playing.

2. That is a great idea. We are already seeing Greene being skipped and Lodolo going on the IL as ways to lengthen their seasons.

3. Pham is on a one year deal with an option. Like Castellenos, if he plays well enough to get another team to bite, he'll be gone next year. If the Reds don't have another LF ready for next year, they can bring him back. Pretty simple contractual obligation. India and Stephenson will hopefully be the building blocks of a really good Reds team in the coming years. The Reds farm system has some good talent down there that just isn't ready to bring up yet. This is the correct way to build teams.
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This is a terrible way to build a sustainable winning team.

They burned a year of control of the best prospect to wear a Reds uniform in decades. Why?

They spent $24M on stop gaps instead of further cutting payroll and saving the money to be able to add or keep good players when they have a legit chance to win the division. Why?
 
Indiandad said:
Uhh... Hunter Greene?
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Well, if you take Hunter Greene away you take 1/3 of the wins away. After tonight it may be a full 50%. I would think he is ready for the majors if he would have half the teams wins. No doubt it is a time bomb on his contractual demands . If he turns out to be very good, Cincinnati will likely lose his services in his first re-up.
 
D4fan said:
Well, if you take Hunter Greene away you take 1/3 of the wins away. After tonight it may be a full 50%. I would think he is ready for the majors if he would have half the teams wins. No doubt it is a time bomb on his contractual demands . If he turns out to be very good, Cincinnati will likely lose his services in his first re-up.
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So you'd take the worst team in Major League Baseball and turn them into the worst team in Major League Baseball.
 
Indiandad said:
But have one more year of team control for when maybe they will be good.
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I think I actually agree with your point. At what point does a player deserve to get a opportunity for his benefit vs the owner/teams benefit? If the two young pitchers stay up with the team but require time off on a regular basis that does seem like a shame to waste 2 years of combined production from them when the team is going nowhere. If they are able to pitch with ERA'S of 3.0 or less that's one thing, but certainly looks like they are a ways from that level.
 
D4fan said:
I think I actually agree with your point. At what point does a player deserve to get a opportunity for his benefit vs the owner/teams benefit? If the two young pitchers stay up with the team but require time off on a regular basis that does seem like a shame to waste 2 years of combined production from them when the team is going nowhere. If they are able to pitch with ERA'S of 3.0 or less that's one thing, but certainly looks like they are a ways from that level.
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That's the beauty of team control.
 
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Silver lining: Reds pitchers only have to cover 8 innings whenever they’re on the road.

Last year, the Reds stayed in the playoff picture until the NFL season had begun. This year, they couldn’t even stay in the picture until the NFL Draft.

Saturday night features a fill-in starter, which almost guarantees another loss.

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AEW Champion said:
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In a race with Baltimore, and it is neck and neck.

Pittsburgh pulled way ahead of Reds and Orioles with that Ke'Bryan Hayes signing, 8 years only $70M for that really good young player. Smart. Hayes is happy, feels loved, and has security. Pirates have him at a price that is well below market value in only a year or two.

Love to see the Reds extend similar offers to India and Stephenson. Keep solid young players around long term at below market prices. But they won't.
 
wolves82 said:
In a race with Baltimore, and it is neck and neck.

Pittsburgh pulled way ahead of Reds and Orioles with that Ke'Bryan Hayes signing, 8 years only $70M for that really good young player. Smart. Hayes is happy, feels loved, and has security. Pirates have him at a price that is well below market value in only a year or two.

Love to see the Reds extend similar offers to India and Stephenson. Keep solid young players around long term at below market prices. But they won't.
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Those type of team-friendly deals for cornerstone players can also kick a rebuild into high gear because if a team has to punt, those deals can fetch a haul of highly valued prospects.

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Well, the fill in starter (Overton) actually pitched really well. Of course, ding-a-ling Bell pulled him too early and the bullpen immediately blew the lead.

April ends at 3-18. Unbelievable. It is not easy to be 11.5 games out of first on May 1st, but here we are. I'm sure the Reds will win more than 3 games in May, right?

For anyone keeping score, the Reds are 1-16 since Phil Castellini opened his big sewer hole and spouted off.
 
More evidence Nick Krall is a terrible GM: This Connor Overton guy (who silenced the Reds last September) is just toiling away in AAA while Sanmartin and Gutierrez get rocked every time through the rotation.

Nick Krall rides the short bus.

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wolves82 said:
Well, the fill in starter (Overton) actually pitched really well. Of course, ding-a-ling Bell pulled him too early and the bullpen immediately blew the lead.

April ends at 3-18. Unbelievable. It is not easy to be 11.5 games out of first on May 1st, but here we are. I'm sure the Reds will win more than 3 games in May, right?

For anyone keeping score, the Reds are 1-16 since Phil Castellini opened his big sewer hole and spouted off.
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I was told it was going to be OK.

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Reds now have a -56 run differential, far and away the worst in MLB.

The next worst are the Nats and Pirates at -39 and -38.

These Reds-Pirates games this year are going to be a happening. Maybe they’ll let the few fans at the games pinch hit or throw for an inning.

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Chop Stix said:
This is pretty entertaining.

If the Reds are gonna be bad, I'd rather it be astronomically bad rather than just mediocre.
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Same here. This is way better than just losing 3 out of every 5 in bland fashion.

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Another disastrous outing for Reiver Sanmartin, who didn’t make it out of the first inning. I assume he will be headed to Louisville tonight, along with Koloszvary. I assume Stephenson is back Tuesday. As for the other player who needs to be sent down or DFA’d to get the roster to 26, they have their pick of anyone in the bottom half of the bullpen. Buck Farmer seems like as good a candidate as anyone. Once they get to Sanmartin’s next outing, they’ll have to bring Castillo or someone else up and jettison more bullpen deadweight.

I do wonder whether David Bell will be fired tomorrow. I could see it. If they fire him, they get to act like they care about wins and losses. On the other hand, firing Bell and naming an interim manager involves Krall and/or Phil coming out from hiding to have a press conference, which would open them up to having to answer the media’s questions about this trash heap of a roster. They may prefer to stay in hiding and keep the status quo.

Today was a dereliction of duty by Bell. Once it was 5-0, the game was essentially over already. Just let Sanmartin get out of it and eat whatever innings he could get through. You’re going into a week at the division leader and then a full weekend slate against the Pirates that includes a doubleheader day. You’re going to need your bullpen to eat innings. Burning them out today, especially on the brink of losing one or two relievers this week due to the roster cutdown, is really not smart. I know they’re off tomorrow, but still.

And let’s not even get into India hitting the IL again because the team stupidly rushed him back from his hamstring injury. I’m not a doctor, but I’ve followed sports enough over the years to know that hamstring injuries don’t resolve themselves within 10 days.

This team is a disaster.

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Another disastrous outing for Reiver Sanmartin, who didn’t make it out of the first inning. I assume he will be headed to Louisville tonight, along with Koloszvary. I assume Stephenson is back Tuesday. As for the other player who needs to be sent down or DFA’d to get the roster to 26, they have their pick of anyone in the bottom half of the bullpen. Buck Farmer seems like as good a candidate as anyone. Once they get to Sanmartin’s next outing, they’ll have to bring Castillo or someone else up and jettison more bullpen deadweight.

I do wonder whether David Bell will be fired tomorrow. I could see it. If they fire him, they get to act like they care about wins and losses. On the other hand, firing Bell and naming an interim manager involves Krall and/or Phil coming out from hiding to have a press conference, which would open them up to having to answer the media’s questions about this trash heap of a roster. They may prefer to stay in hiding and keep the status quo.

Today was a dereliction of duty by Bell. Once it was 5-0, the game was essentially over already. Just let Sanmartin get out of it and eat whatever innings he could get through. You’re going into a week at the division leader and then a full weekend slate against the Pirates that includes a doubleheader day. You’re going to need your bullpen to eat innings. Burning them out today, especially on the brink of losing one or two relievers this week due to the roster cutdown, is really not smart. I know they’re off tomorrow, but still.

And let’s not even get into India hitting the IL again because the team stupidly rushed him back from his hamstring injury. I’m not a doctor, but I’ve followed sports enough over the years to know that hamstring injuries don’t resolve themselves within 10 days.

This team is a disaster.

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Firing Bell won't solve anything with this team. Where else you going to go? If they go with a current assistant manager they would have to eat 3 years of Bell's contract and would still have the same group of injured athletes taking the field.

They eventually will start hitting . Clearly yesterday's starter is not major league ready and needs to stay down the rest of the year, but that may not be possible.

I've been trying to make sure to catch the first inning of games while the score is still competitive but that didn't work yesterday. The number of injuries 20 games into the season is more about the holdout than anything else IMO. The Red would potentially have 4 wins by this time if those 6 or 7 games had been played at the beginning of the season.

It 8s still early and they could still put it all together and be respectable, but according to ownership, this is the kind of baseball we better get used to around here. The good players will be traded off and the players unable to compete will take the field and represent the state of Ohio.
 
PeterDragon said:
I was hoping to see a 14red post telling us its early, wait until we play lesser teams and get healthy.
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It is early. Once the weather warms up the bats will come around. Won't help this years outcome though, as finishing 50 games out of first could be a very real possibility with this group. At this pace the team wont win 25 games this year. I dont think that will actually happen, but 50 -112 is a very real possibility. The 1962 Mets went 42-120. Will the Red's challenge that record?
 
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vamp2syd said:
Is there a pitcher who currently has more wins this season than the REDS?
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Yep - 6 pitchers have 4 wins: Scherzer, Megill, Musgrove, Gilbert, Manoah and a very lucky bullpen guy named Cimber from Toronto.

Oh, and Lorenzen has 3 wins for Angels. Great outing last night...
 
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The Reds Fn Stink! Ownership and Management are to blame. Phil Castellini looks more and more like an idiot everyday!
 
The Reds have allowed 132 runs this season, the most in MLB. Averaging 6 runs per game allowed. Impossible to win that way, and proof that the team isn’t pitching pretty well despite one opinion on here.

This team leaks runs like it just ate McDonald’s breakfast the morning after a night of heavy drinking.

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