SBAAC 2024 and FAC 2024

[footballsalads43]

There doesn't seem to be much interest in getting football going in the SHL. I know a few of the schools have started clubs but with the exception of Fayetteville and Manchester I don't think any of them are close to having an OHSAA sanctioned football program. As far as EC is concerned that would definitely be a requirement. A few other potential roadblocks for them is no soccer at EC, which I believe every Southern Hills team currently has and none of them have wrestling, which EC does.

I know it’s probably a WILD suggestion, but Fayetteville and Manchester could both try and join the CMAC Blue as well. I know Manchester to Cincy is quite the trip, but at this point with Lima in the TCL for all sports, it’s most certainly a possibility, especially if it was a football only move. I’m sure both schools could compete with the likes of Shroder, Gamble and maybe CCP? But they just had a pretty nice run in D7 R28.. anyways, that’s probably the only other viable option for Fayetteville at this time that I can think of.

 

[BeaverAchiever]

I knew the SHAC schools all had soccer and only Fayetteville and Manchester have OHSAA club teams. I did not know none of them had wrestling. I was always under the idea if the SHAC did get football, that would be EC new best fit overall. But, those could be potential roadblocks.

Maybe in the near future the SBAAC will just have to realign the two divisions or consider expanding. Either trying to add another National league team or add another team to the American and move New Richmond over to the national side.

I dug a little deeper and found that there are 6 football programs in the SHL, including clubs and OHSAA teams. Apparently Peebles, West Union and North Adams all had clubs this year along with the Southern Buckeye Warriors, who appear to be located in the Eastern district. This along with Fayetteville and Manchester makes six programs. The clubs all are members of S.O.I.L., or the Southern Ohio Independent League, ( https://www.soilfootball.com/ ). I didn't realize this before either, but apparently Manchester qualified for the playoffs this year, losing to Minster in the first round.

 

[footballsalads43]

I dug a little deeper and found that there are 6 football programs in the SHL, including clubs and OHSAA teams. Apparently Peebles, West Union and North Adams all had clubs this year along with the Southern Buckeye Warriors, who appear to be located in the Eastern district. This along with Fayetteville and Manchester makes six programs. The clubs all are members of S.O.I.L., or the Southern Ohio Independent League, ( https://www.soilfootball.com/ ). I didn't realize this before either, but apparently Manchester qualified for the playoffs this year, losing to Minster in the first round.

I had no idea this existed. It looks like Fayetteville youth and Middle school teams participate in it. This would be another option for Fayetteville if they decide to not continue being sanctioned by the OHSAA, but would they sacrifice that?

 

[Iveer]

Honestly this makes me wonder if they will even have football much longer. Honestly, there probably isn't a much better fit in Ohio than the National division of the SBAAC and if that doesn't work where could they go?

They will be an independent and try to get their football program established again. They joined the SBAAC in 2017 and their conference record since that time was 7-34, with many of those games not even close.

 

[footballsalads43]

They will be an independent and try to get their football program established again. They joined the SBAAC in 2017 and their conference record since that time was 7-34, with many of those games not even close.

Well, hopefully they can get back on track! After the 2021 season they looked to be on the right track and I thought they had a promising future, tough break for them. Wish them the best, and maybe they will join back eventually!

I think its time for the SBAAC to consider expanding and getting another national league team in. They could give Greenfield McClain a call.. but I bet that would be a package deal with Hillsboro and maybe even WCH.

 

[BeaverAchiever]

Well, hopefully they can get back on track! After the 2021 season they looked to be on the right track and I thought they had a promising future, tough break for them. Wish them the best, and maybe they will join back eventually!

I think its time for the SBAAC to consider expanding and getting another national league team in. They could give Greenfield McClain a call.. but I bet that would be a package deal with Hillsboro and maybe even WCH.

Yes, I think we all want to see them really get things going and build some momentum into the program. As far as SBAAC expansion adding Greenfield McClain and Hillsboro, you would still have unbalanced numbers in the divisions. Washington Courthouse might also be a good fit, but I'm not sure they jump leagues without their cross county rival Miami Trace, which brings us back to the same problem of unbalanced divisions.

 

[covidsucks]

Put CM in the small division. Their enrollment is dropping and they will be on the same level as all the small schools in about 3 years. I'm hearing the place is a total wreck right now.

 

[footballsalads43]

Put CM in the small division. Their enrollment is dropping and they will be on the same level as all the small schools in about 3 years. I'm hearing the place is a total wreck right now.

CM would probably go independent before they ever go to the SBAAC small school side as long as they are winning in football. But if their program does bottom out, I could see that happening.

As for right now, New Richmond would probably be the school to go to the National side. A little bit less travel (minus EC). Plus New Richmond is starting to build a great rivalry with Williamsburg, and of course Bethel-Tate

 

[footballsalads43]

Yes, I think we all want to see them really get things going and build some momentum into the program. As far as SBAAC expansion adding Greenfield McClain and Hillsboro, you would still have unbalanced numbers in the divisions. Washington Courthouse might also be a good fit, but I'm not sure they jump leagues without their cross county rival Miami Trace, which brings us back to the same problem of unbalanced divisions.

If there were two spots open in the league, Greenfield and Hillsboro could both be in the league by Monday morning before lunch. But the league will probably only take 1 school, or maybe 3 schools. They could try to convince WCH or Miami Trace to come with, but that would be the equivalent of asking someone to break up their 50+ year marriage. Honestly, I think a great argument could be made that Hillsboro, Greenfield, Miami Trace and WCH are all one package deal, and you either take all 4 of them, or you get none of them.

 

[formercardinal]

CM would probably go independent before they ever go to the SBAAC small school side as long as they are winning in football. But if their program does bottom out, I could see that happening.

As for right now, New Richmond would probably be the school to go to the National side. A little bit less travel (minus EC). Plus New Richmond is starting to build a great rivalry with Williamsburg, and of course Bethel-Tate

If NR's new rival is Williamsburg then their program is in bad shape. NR should dominate Williamsburg every year. NR's rival should be WB or Massie, not Williamsburg. The problem right now is the small school side, outside of Williamsburg, is WAY down. Until EC and Blan figure it out, the small school side is as bad of a league as there is in the state of Ohio.

 

[footballsalads43]

If NR's new rival is Williamsburg then their program is in bad shape. NR should dominate Williamsburg every year. NR's rival should be WB or Massie, not Williamsburg. The problem right now is the small school side, outside of Williamsburg, is WAY down. Until EC and Blan figure it out, the small school side is as bad of a league as there is in the state of Ohio.

NR has been scheduling way way down. Back in 2016 I am sure it would be wild to hear that NR and Williamsburg would be a rivalry, but its a pretty evenly matched game these days (its 1-1 currently), and yes NR still mostly wins against Bethel, but the gap between them is certainly not all that big, there have been quite a few competitive games between the two. Their program is by no means a dumpster fire or anything, but they aren't to the same caliber as they were 5-7 years ago. They are just fine on the American side and compete at a good rate, but besides CM they are the smallest American school, and they certainly could be moved to the national side if they felt it was the best for their athletics. However I can see an argument that NR, WB, Goshen and Batavia should always be together.

As much as I want EC and Blan to figure it out, there's no telling when they do. Blan most certainly isn't going to help anything by playing a difficult schedule like they are this year, and while I commend them for it, as you said, that's a pretty tough schedule for a new coach! EC on the other hand has been doing a good job the past few years by getting schools like Hillsboro, Wilmington, CM and etc off their schedule and getting more games they can compete in, but they have been struggling to be competitive for over a decade now.

 

[coachtedc]

Seen this on Cincinnati. Com

Division III, Batavia head coach Wayne Stacy is the District coach of the year after leading the Bulldogs to an 8-3 record after going 3-7 last year and winning five combined games the previous four seasons.
Marcus Hughbanks WR 1st team all state
Max Mehlman Wr, Carson Harris QB. 2nd team all state.

 

[footballsalads43]

Seen this on Cincinnati. Com

Division III, Batavia head coach Wayne Stacy is the District coach of the year after leading the Bulldogs to an 8-3 record after going 3-7 last year and winning five combined games the previous four seasons.
Marcus Hughbanks WR 1st team all state
Max Mehlman Wr, Carson Harris QB. 2nd team all state.

Congrats to these young men and coach Stacy!

Batavia is bringing back a ton of talent next year too. CM is bringing back alot as well. Wilmington is graduating a lot of talent.

I think Batavia is the clear 2nd place team next year (behind Massie), especially with Hughbanks and Harris both coming back!

 

[formercardinal]

Congrats to these young men and coach Stacy!

Batavia is bringing back a ton of talent next year too. CM is bringing back alot as well. Wilmington is graduating a lot of talent.

I think Batavia is the clear 2nd place team next year (behind Massie), especially with Hughbanks and Harris both coming back!

Reading about all the cuts Massie is about to have to make, there may be a huge exodus from that school district. There are going to be a bare bones school district in a year or 2. The article said even if they pass a levy in May, it will take until 2026 to see any of that money. There are going to be no extras in the elementary, very few electives in the high school.

 

[footballsalads43]

Reading about all the cuts Massie is about to have to make, there may be a huge exodus from that school district. There are going to be a bare bones school district in a year or 2. The article said even if they pass a levy in May, it will take until 2026 to see any of that money. There are going to be no extras in the elementary, very few electives in the high school.

This might be a crazy idea, but is there a possible future where Massie and Wilmington merge into one school?

CM is seeing a lot of financial troubles, and Wilmington went from like 800-900 enrollment to about 670ish. If you combine the two schools it’s about 1100 kids. But I’m sure some kids would go to Blanchester, LM, Waynesville and etc as well.

I just don’t know if Clinton County is big enough these days to support 4 different school districts. All 4 school districts are declining in enrollment

 

[covidsucks]

CM really needs to get in that small division of the SBAAC. In a couple years they'll be on the same caliber as a EC, CNE, Fayetteville and others. A lot of their programs are already there. Unbelievable how they've declined to this level. How will a district grow with no art or music department. People just move or choose another option.

 

[BeaverAchiever]

This might be a crazy idea, but is there a possible future where Massie and Wilmington merge into one school?

CM is seeing a lot of financial troubles, and Wilmington went from like 800-900 enrollment to about 670ish. If you combine the two schools it’s about 1100 kids. But I’m sure some kids would go to Blanchester, LM, Waynesville and etc as well.

I just don’t know if Clinton County is big enough these days to support 4 different school districts. All 4 school districts are declining in enrollment

I think the only way that EVER happens would be if the state had to come in and they mandated it. Although they are in the same county these schools are very different. Honestly, and I may be very wrong, but I think a lot of Massie people would rather combine with Waynesville over Wilmington.

 

[BeaverAchiever]

I think the only way that EVER happens would be if the state had to come in and they mandated it. Although they are in the same county these schools are very different. Honestly, and I may be very wrong, but I think a lot of Massie people would rather combine with Waynesville over Wilmington.

Why were at it, why not combine Massie with Blan and EC and be like Fayette County with Miami Trace and Washington CH? I kid, but that could be a juggernaut!

 

[footballsalads43]

I think the only way that EVER happens would be if the state had to come in and they mandated it. Although they are in the same county these schools are very different. Honestly, and I may be very wrong, but I think a lot of Massie people would rather combine with Waynesville over Wilmington.

I mean I’m probably wrong too, but Waynesville and CM are definitely more in line with each other, that I agree with. I only said Wilmington because of the close proximity. The CM school district starts not even like 3 miles outside of the city limits.

 

[footballsalads43]

Why were at it, why not combine Massie with Blan and EC and be like Fayette County with Miami Trace and Washington CH? I kid, but that could be a juggernaut!

EC combining with Trace just makes too much sense. The New Vienna portion can combine with Hillsboro. If you combine CM and blan you practically get “West Clinton”! And a school that would be right on par with SBAAC American enrollment numbers.

 

[BeaverAchiever]

EC combining with Trace just makes too much sense. The New Vienna portion can combine with Hillsboro. If you combine CM and blan you practically get “West Clinton”!

Some of the boundaries for Trace are a long way from Lees Creek! I would say EC would be more likely to merge with Leesburg Fairfield, but that's just a guess.

 

[footballsalads43]

Some of the boundaries for Trace are a long way from Lees Creek! I would say EC would be more likely to merge with Leesburg Fairfield, but that's just a guess.

The northern part of EC district borders Miami Trace i believe. It’s been awhile since I looked but I’m pretty sure WCH High is only the city limits of WCH and the rest of Fayette county is Miami Trace.

 

[BeaverAchiever]

The northern part of EC district borders Miami Trace i believe. It’s been awhile since I looked but I’m pretty sure WCH High is only the city limits of WCH and the rest of Fayette county is Miami Trace.

Yes, that's true. Quite a bit of the northern and eastern borders of the EC district touches Fayette County, which yes is Trace. Washington district is only the limits of WCH and Trace is the entire rest of the county. That was my thinking when I joked about combining all the other county schools without Wilmington and creating an identical situation to Fayette County for Clinton County.

 

[footballsalads43]

Yes, that's true. Quite a bit of the northern and eastern borders of the EC district touches Fayette County, which yes is Trace. Washington district is only the limits of WCH and Trace is the entire rest of the county. That was my thinking when I joked about combining all the other county schools without Wilmington and creating an identical situation to Fayette County for Clinton County.

To add the cherry on top and to further copy and troll Fayette county, while also respecting some history, we will call this new school district the Kenton Trace Local School District! (Not to be confused with Kenton Ridge)