Rick Haynes Steps Down at Lakota East

Over The Hills said:
Jon Kitna is a good man who knows football and will do right by the kids that play for him.

You have to be a special piece of crap to smear him for what his oldest son did.

Jon Kitna has an OBLIGATION to raise the other son too.

Some of you posters are just losers who project your disgusting pov onto everything that you comment on.
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Omar The Dbag has been a loser for over 10 years on this forum! Remember the consider the source on All his wimpy,ignorant post!
 
Just to clarify for those unfamiliar/unwilling to do a quick google search- Kitnas sophomore QB son that is coming to Lakota East is not the one people are talking about having legal issues. Kitna has an older son Jalen who was a back up QB on the university of Florida football team- he was arrested & charged with child pornography possession in November. Pretty serious stuff- he was released on bond to his parents custody until trial. I saw that Kitna will also be the Dean of students at East and have to say this is a bit surprising for many to hear.

And Darby Boddi is the MTG of Lakota- total nut job, but the former Lakota superintendent did admit to police some bizarre fantasy behavior that while not criminal was really disturbing for someone who works in education of children.
 
Looks like Kitna will get the position of all new head coaches in the area, the cushy "Dean of Students" role. Gotta love public schools using tax dollars to make up admin positions so they can pay big bucks to coaches without proper qualifications. And people are wondering why teachers are leaving the profession in record numbers..... Some never get a shot at moving up the ladder. They pay quite a bit of money for additional college to get an admin license to hopefully advance their careers, and then school districts keep hiring people who are unqualified to fill those positions, or just make up high paying job titles to bring in coaches.

It's either time to make head football coach an actual full time position in the Collective Bargaining Agreement and be transparent about it for the sake of taxpayers, employees, and students or it's time to realize that football is an extracurricular activity and should be treated as such.
 
cincifbfan said:
Looks like Kitna will get the position of all new head coaches in the area, the cushy "Dean of Students" role. Gotta love public schools using tax dollars to make up admin positions so they can pay big bucks to coaches without proper qualifications. And people are wondering why teachers are leaving the profession in record numbers..... Some never get a shot at moving up the ladder. They pay quite a bit of money for additional college to get an admin license to hopefully advance their careers, and then school districts keep hiring people who are unqualified to fill those positions, or just make up high paying job titles to bring in coaches.

It's either time to make head football coach an actual full time position in the Collective Bargaining Agreement and be transparent about it for the sake of taxpayers, employees, and students or it's time to realize that football is an extracurricular activity and should be treated as such.
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This.

I wonder if the voters in the Lakota Local School District realize their district pays probably close to a quarter million dollars per year total to two football coaches.
 
EHS 2001 said:
This.

I wonder if the voters in the Lakota Local School District realize their district pays probably close to a quarter million dollars per year total to two football coaches.
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Most have no idea. I guess it would not matter if the teams brought in revenue relevant to what their HC is paid.

And I would ask, what is the LE end game? AD said Kitna’s vision is to create a national powerhouse. Is that hers too? Will he be there long enough to establish something like that?
 
cincifbfan said:
Looks like Kitna will get the position of all new head coaches in the area, the cushy "Dean of Students" role. Gotta love public schools using tax dollars to make up admin positions so they can pay big bucks to coaches without proper qualifications. And people are wondering why teachers are leaving the profession in record numbers..... Some never get a shot at moving up the ladder. They pay quite a bit of money for additional college to get an admin license to hopefully advance their careers, and then school districts keep hiring people who are unqualified to fill those positions, or just make up high paying job titles to bring in coaches.

It's either time to make head football coach an actual full time position in the Collective Bargaining Agreement and be transparent about it for the sake of taxpayers, employees, and students or it's time to realize that football is an extracurricular activity and should be treated as such.
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Or it is time for districts to realize the financial importance football programs bring to the school. Pay them teacher salary on special assignment so it's not on admin level but you keep good coaches in the game. 7K for a job that is 365 days a year? Please

Two full time jobs as a teacher and football coach is a quick way to a ruin families. THIS is why you see good coaches walking away from the game now. Either pay them or don't. If you don't, good luck finding a good HC now.
 
Bloom12 said:
Or it is time for districts to realize the financial importance football programs bring to the school. Pay them teacher salary on special assignment so it's not on admin level but you keep good coaches in the game. 7K for a job that is 365 days a year? Please

Two full time jobs as a teacher and football coach is a quick way to a ruin families. THIS is why you see good coaches walking away from the game now. Either pay them or don't. If you don't, good luck finding a good HC now.
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Football is a financial drain on school districts. Football loses money, and a lot if it at the high school level, especially when you are paying 100k+ for your head coach.

Now I agree with everything else you said. 7k is not nearly enough because of the ridiculous requirements and expectations we have put on football. Again, it is an extra curricular activity. Head coaches for golf, cross country, tennis, etc. don't face anywhere close to a fraction of the expectations of football.

Like I said, it's time to either make head football coach an actual full time job, or let's put our expectations in line with other extra curricular activities.
 
cincifbfan said:
Football is a financial drain on school districts. Football loses money, and a lot if it at the high school level, especially when you are paying 100k+ for your head coach.

Now I agree with everything else you said. 7k is not nearly enough because of the ridiculous requirements and expectations we have put on football. Again, it is an extra curricular activity. Head coaches for golf, cross country, tennis, etc. don't face anywhere close to a fraction of the expectations of football.

Like I said, it's time to either make head football coach an actual full time job, or let's put our expectations in line with other extra curricular activities.
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Agreed.
 
cincifbfan said:
Looks like Kitna will get the position of all new head coaches in the area, the cushy "Dean of Students" role. Gotta love public schools using tax dollars to make up admin positions so they can pay big bucks to coaches without proper qualifications. And people are wondering why teachers are leaving the profession in record numbers..... Some never get a shot at moving up the ladder. They pay quite a bit of money for additional college to get an admin license to hopefully advance their careers, and then school districts keep hiring people who are unqualified to fill those positions, or just make up high paying job titles to bring in coaches.

It's either time to make head football coach an actual full time position in the Collective Bargaining Agreement and be transparent about it for the sake of taxpayers, employees, and students or it's time to realize that football is an extracurricular activity and should be treated as such.
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When teachers put in half as much time as a high school football coach, put in half as much time dealing with whack job parents and start subjecting their selves and their families to all the ups and downs and craziness that is being a high school football coach ... then maybe they have a reason to whine and complain.

Most high school football coaches are the most recognizable people in their communities -- and the stress and garbage that they deal with is night and day compared to your average teacher. Keep in mind -- no one is forcing teachers to be teachers -- there are a TON of jobs that people select knowing that they will deal with things that are not worth the money they make. While most teachers are the absolute best of the best -- there is also a decent section of whiners who complain about everything -- without making the attempt to realize that they wouldn't last for 10 minutes being a coach at somewhere like Moeller. So -- not trying to shoot down teachers -- because most are the best of the best -- but until they realize how difficult the life of a high school football coach is -- spare me the whining.

Give me a coach any day as an administrator over a chemistry teacher. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a teacher complaining about pointless things that normal people do in public sector constantly -- I could afford to pay someone to type this.
 
TheJoker said:
When teachers put in half as much time as a high school football coach, put in half as much time dealing with whack job parents and start subjecting their selves and their families to all the ups and downs and craziness that is being a high school football coach ... then maybe they have a reason to whine and complain.

Most high school football coaches are the most recognizable people in their communities -- and the stress and garbage that they deal with is night and day compared to your average teacher. Keep in mind -- no one is forcing teachers to be teachers -- there are a TON of jobs that people select knowing that they will deal with things that are not worth the money they make. While most teachers are the absolute best of the best -- there is also a decent section of whiners who complain about everything -- without making the attempt to realize that they wouldn't last for 10 minutes being a coach at somewhere like Moeller. So -- not trying to shoot down teachers -- because most are the best of the best -- but until they realize how difficult the life of a high school football coach is -- spare me the whining.

Give me a coach any day as an administrator over a chemistry teacher. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a teacher complaining about pointless things that normal people do in public sector constantly -- I could afford to pay someone to type this.
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Saying you don't mean to shoot down teachers while spending the entire post crapping on them.

People in the public sector complain just as much over trivial things.

Too many people don't understand half of what educators go through. What makes a coach a better qualified administrator than a chemistry teacher? Neither should be one if they don't have the proper credentials, yet we put coaches in those roles constantly without any credentials at all except the pupil activity permit. That's my gripe. Put qualified people in those jobs.
 
cincifbfan said:
Saying you don't mean to shoot down teachers while spending the entire post crapping on them.

People in the public sector complain just as much over trivial things.

Too many people don't understand half of what educators go through. What makes a coach a better qualified administrator than a chemistry teacher? Neither should be one if they don't have the proper credentials, yet we put coaches in those roles constantly without any credentials at all except the pupil activity permit. That's my gripe. Put qualified people in those jobs.
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Is that the case with Bolden and now Kitna? I really don't know, but is it possible that they ARE qualified to be the Dean of Students. I know some folks from Lakota and I've heard them complain about some things in the district, but the football coaches being the Dean of Students is not one of them. In fact, outside of people not liking the offense Haynes runs, the people I know had a lot of respect for both him and Bolden.
 
fish82 said:
IMO her biggest problem is the inability to just fall on her sword and just say “oops, sorry guys I might have f cked up there.” Instead she doubles/triples down and ends up looking more stupid.
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Yeah, but that is pretty typical of this type of elected person.
 
NewOldBlood said:
Is that the case with Bolden and now Kitna? I really don't know, but is it possible that they ARE qualified to be the Dean of Students. I know some folks from Lakota and I've heard them complain about some things in the district, but the football coaches being the Dean of Students is not one of them. In fact, outside of people not liking the offense Haynes runs, the people I know had a lot of respect for both him and Bolden.
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Yes that is the case. These Dean of Students positions are administration positions, assistant principals if you will. Bolden does not have an admin license with ODE and Kitna has no credentials with ODE.

Yes Haynes was overall very respected and Bolden is too, but the truth is these positions are made up positions with no real duties. It's a Sham to the taxpayers, who are overall too ignorant and / or stupid to care.
 
TheJoker said:
When teachers put in half as much time as a high school football coach, put in half as much time dealing with whack job parents and start subjecting their selves and their families to all the ups and downs and craziness that is being a high school football coach ... then maybe they have a reason to whine and complain.

Most high school football coaches are the most recognizable people in their communities -- and the stress and garbage that they deal with is night and day compared to your average teacher. Keep in mind -- no one is forcing teachers to be teachers -- there are a TON of jobs that people select knowing that they will deal with things that are not worth the money they make. While most teachers are the absolute best of the best -- there is also a decent section of whiners who complain about everything -- without making the attempt to realize that they wouldn't last for 10 minutes being a coach at somewhere like Moeller. So -- not trying to shoot down teachers -- because most are the best of the best -- but until they realize how difficult the life of a high school football coach is -- spare me the whining.

Give me a coach any day as an administrator over a chemistry teacher. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a teacher complaining about pointless things that normal people do in public sector constantly -- I could afford to pay someone to type this.
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This was a funny joke post.
 
cincifbfan said:
Looks like Kitna will get the position of all new head coaches in the area, the cushy "Dean of Students" role. Gotta love public schools using tax dollars to make up admin positions so they can pay big bucks to coaches without proper qualifications. And people are wondering why teachers are leaving the profession in record numbers..... Some never get a shot at moving up the ladder. They pay quite a bit of money for additional college to get an admin license to hopefully advance their careers, and then school districts keep hiring people who are unqualified to fill those positions, or just make up high paying job titles to bring in coaches.

It's either time to make head football coach an actual full time position in the Collective Bargaining Agreement and be transparent about it for the sake of taxpayers, employees, and students or it's time to realize that football is an extracurricular activity and should be treated as such.
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What “job” did Haynes have during the Day? You know for a fact that Kitna is not qualified to be Dean of Students? I’m kind of surprised that Kitna needs/wants a “real job” unless it’s a requirement to be a HC in the Lakota system. People may not like this but I would think with Kitna’s life experiences and his relationship with the Lord he would make a Great DoS at any HS. Some folks may not like his Strong Faith but never gonna make everyone happy.
 
cincifbfan said:
Yes that is the case. These Dean of Students positions are administration positions, assistant principals if you will. Bolden does not have an admin license with ODE and Kitna has no credentials with ODE.
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Pretty sure I read Kitna taught math at the HS he coached in Washington. Assuming he has a degree, he can get a license in Ohio.
 
Bloom12 said:
Or it is time for districts to realize the financial importance football programs bring to the school. Pay them teacher salary on special assignment so it's not on admin level but you keep good coaches in the game. 7K for a job that is 365 days a year? Please
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Lakota Local School District pays the head coaches in football, basketball, soccer, swimming, track and wrestling $9450 per year. That's an increase from $9000 in the previous 3 year contract.

It's on page 63 of this PDF: https://resources.finalsite.net/ima...yomx18xjjhhiroev/LEAContract20212024Final.pdf
 
Smarty2022 said:
What “job” did Haynes have during the Day?
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Haynes was an assistant principal at Lakota East. He apparently had the necessary administrator qualifications for that role. All APs in the Lakota District (elementary through HS) make in the mid $90,000/year.

He is currently listed on the district's web site as "Dean - Assistant to Administration"
 
EHS 2001 said:
Haynes was an assistant principal at Lakota East. He apparently had the necessary administrator qualifications for that role. All APs in the Lakota District (elementary through HS) make in the mid $90,000/year.

He is currently listed on the district's web site as "Dean - Assistant to Administration"
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Correct, but when he was hired he didn't have the credentials. It took him a few years before he got them. So when he was hired he was not qualified.
 
cincifbfan said:
Unless he has a principal's license in another state, no he can't get the credential needed for Dean of Students, which again is an admin position. I feel like I've said this already, it's not a complicated thing to understand.
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Quick check of ODE looks like if he has a degree, 5 years teaching, and board approval he can work as an administrator and has 4 years to get other requirements met. Does not appear to be an issue.
 
As an educator for over 20+ years, who has taught in 5 different districts, I know for a fact that the Dean of Students title varys by district, in some districts its administrative (thus requiring a license) in others it's actually apart of the collective bargaining contract and filled by an educator that may or may not have an administrative license.

In some schools it's actually a part time position, offset with an actual teaching job. Really depends on the district 🤷‍♂️
 
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