steeler 01
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Who wins SLC/Cedar Hill.
pied,ridgepride and any other Texan
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I'd go with SLC. Cedar Hill is not nearly as good as they were a year ago.
I know this will offend some, but it still would not surprise me if the Chill won though. SLC is still somewhat banged up. Newton may not play, don't know about Cantu, but if had some $$ on it, I'd go with the Dragons.
I know this will offend some, but it still would not surprise me if the Chill won though. SLC is still somewhat banged up. Newton may not play, don't know about Cantu, but if had some $$ on it, I'd go with the Dragons.
Saw this post from RP on a SLC/CHill thread:
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=23625
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=23625
Cedar Hill's down from last year - 3 losses compared to undefeated and no Will Coe. SLC defense still seems way below prior years. Probably SLC in a close one but I don't thnk anyone would be shocked if CH won. I'd love to see SLC play Odessa Permian but they inthe other 5A division.
steeler 01
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I want a prediction from Ridge Pride not a run around answer. I think SLC will beat Cedar Hill by 2 td's. Cedar Hill runs the ball which is the SLC defense's strength. I don't see Cedar Hill stopping SLC at all.
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If Tre Newton and Blake Cantu play I've got to say SLC wins by a couple of TDs or more. If Riley Dodge has to carry the offense alone (again) the game could go either way.
By the way, Dodge really didn't carry the offense alone (afterall there are 11 guys on the field) but without a strong RB the defense can completely key on Riley. From that perspective, without Newton in the backfield, Riley attracts most of the focus from the defense.
By the way, Dodge really didn't carry the offense alone (afterall there are 11 guys on the field) but without a strong RB the defense can completely key on Riley. From that perspective, without Newton in the backfield, Riley attracts most of the focus from the defense.
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WoodyHayes
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Slc Wins
The Dragons win this one. I am just kickin myself that they will not get a taste of the MoJo this year. Ask Trinity how that is.
The Dragons win this one. I am just kickin myself that they will not get a taste of the MoJo this year. Ask Trinity how that is.
Bordertown
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While I think SLC may be vulnerable in the playoffs this year, they will beat Cedar Hill.
WrongPerson
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Didn't cedar hill lose their star qb freak?
If he's still playing I'd say its somewhat close...if not id say SLC by 2-3 scores.
If he's still playing I'd say its somewhat close...if not id say SLC by 2-3 scores.
RidgePride
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I think SLC wins this one. Cedar Hill is the 3rd place team in their district this year.
The only teams I think can beat SLC this year in route to the title game is maybe Abilene, Desoto and Longview. And those are maybes.
The only teams that I think can definitely beat SLC this year is are
Katy
Odessa Permian
Trinity
Only Katy is in the same bracket but they are on the Houston side which means they would meet in the championship.
Outside chance teams but legit shot "should be" close games
Cedar Hill
Arlington Bowie
Abilene
Desoto
Lufkin
Longview
Smithson Valley
Plano
North Shore
Cypress Ridge
SA Madison
Longview probably wont be in it after this week against South Garland. A good spread offense will beat Longview....which SG has ( a good spread offense).
I think SLC beats Cedar Hill in a close one. Best team SLC has played this year other than of course MNW.
What is your basis for believing those teams could/would/should beat SLC? They haven't done it in past years. What have you seen from those teams relative to SLC that makes you feel this year will be different? (I am fully aware the asnwer is SLC's loss to MNW. Unfortunately for Texas homers, this game does nothing to improve Katy or Permian's standing vs. SLC).
BobcatBomber
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How is MoJo doin' this year? have the playoffs started?
If SLC is healthy (that's a big if) they should beat every one of the teams you say should be close games. SLC would also beat Trinity. The only teams that should be picked as a close game vs. SLC are Katy and Permian. Obviously, anything can happen but if I'm picking, I pick a healthy SLC team.
If Newton and Cantu don't play, all bets are off. The SLC subs ARE vulnerable.
steeler 01
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If Katy meets SLC I expect SLC to win by at least 10 points. Katy is a run team who uses PA. Katy will have to throw the ball on SLC. They won't be able to run. I did catch a game on T.V of Katy this year. I have seen all 3 teams you mention and i don't think any of those teams would beat them. I think Bowie is probably the only team that can matchup with SLC because of their offense.
RidgePride
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Let me start by saying that The only thing you need to be aware of is how little you do know.
I believe MNW would win the TX 5A state championship no matter what SLC does this year. So leave it alone Numbdutz -
There is a huge misconception of SLC for those outside of TX. SLC has not dominated the state of TX in ANY of the past 5 years. The fact that they have been able to consistently win is the mystique that follows them. They have never EVER - EVER -EVER just ripped through TX dominating everyone.
SLC has almost lost every year in TX. They have had a miraculous run which boggles everyones mind in TX because they some how found ways to get the breaks they needed to win.
THEY HAVE ALWAYS HAD CLOSE GAMES EVERY YEAR. IT IS NOT A STRETCH TO THINK THAT THE TEAMS I HAVE LISTED WOULD GIVE THEM A GOOD CLOSE GAME.
They have never had a team like Galena Park North Shores of 2003 which dominated everyone they faced in TX but finished 4th in the national polls because they started too low to start the season.
SLC's Run
1st championship 2002 Should have lost 2nd round to Arlington Sam Houston but won 19-16 Arlington's QB "fumbles" the game winning touchdown and it goes out of the endzone giving SLC the ball at the 20. There was a lot of controversy about whether the QB actually crossed the goalline first. I was at the game I thought he clearly crossed the goal. Very easily could have lost to Lufkin when Lufkin was up 30-14 in the 4th. SLC made a series of incredible plays that has come to define this team.
2003 - Lost to Katy
2004 - Very close games against Abilene - Leander (maybe should have lost) and Smithson Valley.
2005 - Their best team IMO still a very close game against Grapevine and Plano.
2006 Everyone believes they should have lost to Euless Trinity in a one point win.
2007 Still a very good team but the defense secondary is the weakest of the 5 years - Thats just a fact man - spin it however you like.
It is not because they lost to MNW that I think SLC is not the calibur of the past. MNW would beat any team this year IMO. DID MNW have the same calibur of team in 2004-2005? so maybe they could not have beaten SLC in those years. In 2007 we know they can.
For the record, the only SLC team that I think could have actually been #1 in the Nation was the 2005 squad. Even though they won the mythical title in the other years. Polls are never accurate.
I have always stated that SLC is top 5 in TX heck maybe even top 3 or #1 who knows - I don't - Neither do you!!!!! Drop IT.
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I believe the 2006 Trinity-SLC game was thrown. I LISTENED TO THE GAME.... SOME OF THE PLAY CALLS WERE IFFY TO BAD, THE TROJAN PLAYERS PLAYED A BETTER GAME, THERE WERE SOME SUSPICIOUS FLAGS AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU GO FOR IT ON 4th DOWN WHEN AHEAD IN THE 4th QTR IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF YOUR SCHOOL'S HISTORY.
HAS THAT COACH BEEN FIRED YET?????
LOL It wasn't the biggest game in Trinity's school history. They've played many games that were MUCH more important than a 2nd round playoff game.
The Trinity coach is one of the finest coaches in the country. Nobody from Trinity is blaming him, only fans who have no clue about the game situation and the history behind the call.
(I'll be happy to fill you in if you'd like.)
I suppose 89-1 against Texas teams is not dominant. Whatever you say. I could debate most of what you post but I won't bother.
Of course polls are opinions. However, SLC had the strongest case for national #1 in 2004, 2005 and 2006. SLC has clearly been the most dominate team in the NATION over the last six years. Frankly, nobody else is even close over that period.
WrongPerson
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Don't say that...
Is there a website where I can find what is 5A D1/D2? And I take it D1/D2 changes from year to year because i remember cedar hill just making fools of that other team (cy-falls? something like that), followed by Westlake and SLC last year.
Check this site out.
Should have most of the info you're looking for.
Gobble Gobble
http://5atexasfootball.com/
Should have most of the info you're looking for.
Gobble Gobble
http://5atexasfootball.com/
WoodyHayes
homesick
Gilmer vs Royce City
If they both win this week. Has anyone seen Royce City? I heard they are pretty darn good and was just curious. Gilmer played a cupcake schedule and it almost cost them last week against Liberty E(cant spell it,Eyleawe?) If the running back and qb from Liberty would not have gotten hurt, 5-5 Liberty would have sent 10-0 Gilmer home for the 2nd straight year. Gilmer does have the potential to win it all though. I have followed Gilmer now for a few years. Sort of gives ya a feel (unlike some schools around DFW like SLC) that you are following a "real" Texas team even though it is 3-A.
If they both win this week. Has anyone seen Royce City? I heard they are pretty darn good and was just curious. Gilmer played a cupcake schedule and it almost cost them last week against Liberty E(cant spell it,Eyleawe?) If the running back and qb from Liberty would not have gotten hurt, 5-5 Liberty would have sent 10-0 Gilmer home for the 2nd straight year. Gilmer does have the potential to win it all though. I have followed Gilmer now for a few years. Sort of gives ya a feel (unlike some schools around DFW like SLC) that you are following a "real" Texas team even though it is 3-A.
RidgePride
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My argument was to Skyway whose state of mind is practically "how dare anyone think someone from TX could give SLC a close game"
He states this even though SLC won by 7 and 11 to the two best teams they have played and neither of those teams are in the TX top 25.
Yes SLC has been dominant over the years in the aspect of finding ways to win. And Yes just like this year, they are still one of the best in TX and could very well win it all.
However, SLC has NEVER blown out all the competition in TX in any year. They have nearly lost every year and you know this SLCDAD.
Every year SLC has had teams that could have beaten them but to SLC's credit they have found ways to win - Very unprecedented.
The list I made was of the teams I thought would give SLC that very close game and possibly beat them.
I think Katy - Odessa Permian and Trinity would be favored in a game against SLC.
Cedar Hill is a 3rd place team in their district this year and it is the best team SLC will have played in TX to this point. We will see how it turns out. I will be in attendance at Texas stadium. We will see how SLC responds
WoodyHayes
homesick
Pretty Accurate
I think your post about hit it on the head. SLC has come close to losing every year. Trinity gift wrapped a victory for them last year (I think they probably would have went down the field and scored, but dont give it to them) Certain SLC Fans on this site (not naming names) have a pretty skewred and warped view sometimes. SLC is probably the 5th or 6th best team in Texas this year.
I think your post about hit it on the head. SLC has come close to losing every year. Trinity gift wrapped a victory for them last year (I think they probably would have went down the field and scored, but dont give it to them) Certain SLC Fans on this site (not naming names) have a pretty skewred and warped view sometimes. SLC is probably the 5th or 6th best team in Texas this year.
RidgePride
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Yeah Lineweaver was going for the win. He converts on the fake punt and Trinity most likely wins the state championship last year.
If you fail to convert, Trinity still has two chances to win.
#1 stop SLC from Scoring.
#2 When Trinity got the ball back just needed to get in field goal range.
If you punt, SLC has about 70 yards to score and would eat up any chance of Trinity getting the ball back.
So they only had one option to win if Trinity punted
#1 stop SLC from Scoring
- Still Very Very gutsy call.
RidgePride
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IF SLC loses to Cedar Hill, I think SLC could be around 15 or less in TX.
They have played NOBODY but MNW. The two toughest teams in TX that SLC faced this year were close games and neither of those two teams are top 25 in TX.
It has nothing to do with the MNW victory as Skyway conjured up in his very limited knowledge of SLC's history - And yes my opinion of MNW would change if SLC loses to 3rd place Cedar Hill.
Also, For the record I am not a SLC fan. I told Concha back in 2004 when SLC won their first mythical national championship that I thought Colerain 04 could beat them Just based on Colerain dominating the Ohio competition And SLC's struggles in TX-
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As much as I hate to agree with Dad, he is right in terms of winning. MNW's win over SLC may call into question what would have happened had they played some of the better national teams. But, winning percentage wise and withn Texas, sorry, but they have been dominant no questions asked.
SLC has won the overwhelming majority of its games-playoffs and regualar season- by convincing margins. That they have had one or two close games each year CERTAINLY DOES NOT change the fact that they have been THE
dominant team in Texas. Moreso than any other team in the history of the state.
Whatever happens vs. Cedar Hill is not a direct reflection of MNW due to SLC's injuries and much less decisive home-field advantage.
Few people realize that Lineweaver was in almost the exact situation a couple of years earlier. He punted the ball and the other team drove for the game winning TD. It cost Trinity a state title. No doubt that previous decision weighed heavily on his mind in the SLC game especially since SLC had a much more potent offense and had been moving the ball well at that point in the game.