pied,ridgepride and any other Texan

WoodyHayes said:
being a very neutral and unbiased observer, I believe,
1 - DLS handles SLC by around 10-14 points
2 - Any arrogant fan that believes SLC would beat MNW if they played again is a true "homer" MNW does not make the UNFORCED errors in the game and if SLC travels to FLA instead of the other way around, I would look for a 21 point MNW victory. MNW adjusted at half and SHUT THEM OUT! You want to play them again? LOL. LOL. Riley Dodge got exposed during that game. If Papa plays him at QB he will win less games than he did this year. Lets be honest. Chase Daniel is a big time QB. Riley Dodge is not.
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I don't think anyone buys the "Neutral observer" angle you are portraying. You may live in TX but you are a Southlake Carroll hater and one that has an Ohio ball allegiance.

I think the game was a little closer than what you are giving credit for - the stats were almost identical in passing and rushing.
One team had 5 turnovers with one inside the 5 yard line before halftime, the other only had 3. Those are mistakes. Both are uncharacteristic for both teams.

Tre does not usually fumble on a hit like that (Don't give me that Florida hits harder stuff either). Just as the MNW punt return guy does not usually muff a punt return.
I too would favor MNW in a rematch but by about the same margin 7-10.
I don't think ST. X is any better than SLC this year either (maybe on par).

But like I said previously - The schools that are in SLC's league are either Private schools - open enrollment schools - or they are from Texas.

Southlake has a very narrow base by comparison to make up its football team - roughly 2400 students 9-12 male and female - and all have to live in the attendence zone.
 
SLCDad said:
I've posted many times (long before the SLC/MNW game) that games in weeks 1, 2 or 3 don't mean much. That's especially true at the high school level where the turnover of players each year is so high. Games in weeks 13, 14, 15 or 16 are the ones that count.
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My memory is that, yes, you did post long before the MNW/SLC game was announced that "pre-season" intra-state matchups were not important.

However, once the MNW-SLC was announced, you started seven different threads (at least) on either MNW or the SLC-MNW game. One would reasonably deduct that now preseason intra-state matchups were extremely important to you.

It has been a few months since SLC lost and they have survived a rather weak schedule to win the rest of their games, so far.

And now you are back to the preseason intra-state games are meaningless vs. late season games stand again.

So I guess if SLC would have beaten MNW you would not have to flip-flop for a third (or fourth) time on this one subject.

I funny it all rather amusing.
 
I don't think anyone buys the "Neutral observer" angle you are portraying

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I wish the SLC faithful would just admit MNW was the better team and still is.

Not the woulda coulda shoulda we're better now crapola.
 
consumerman said:
I don't think anyone buys the "Neutral observer" angle you are portraying

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I wish the SLC faithful would just admit MNW was the better team and still is.

Not the woulda coulda shoulda we're better now crapola.
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Excuse me - did you not read my previous post - especially this quote from me

"I too would favor MNW in a rematch but by about the same margin 7-10."

I never claimed to be neutral - I am for SLC if it benefits the greatness of TX high school football. When SLC plays another TX team I have rooted against them since 2002. However, I do recognize the greatness of their accomlishments.
 
I love Texas HS football but MNW physically flat kicked SLC's butt in that game. To say SLC would beat them now is a real, real strectch. Who knows about prior years but in 2007 MNW is the better team - end of story.
 
Good Observation

sa68ag said:
I love Texas HS football but MNW physically flat kicked SLC's butt in that game. To say SLC would beat them now is a real, real strectch. Who knows about prior years but in 2007 MNW is the better team - end of story.
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A few key points that are forgotten.
1 - MNW adjusted and shut out SLC in the 2nd half. They play again and its ugly for the boys from Carroll
2 - Wasson got outcoached. MNW coach made the adjustments. Wasson did not.
3 - Riley Dodge got exposed for what he is and will always be. A very good HIGH SCHOOL QB. He did not have the athleticism or the speed to handle MNW's D-1 prospects. Why does he look so good? Because he has a very good football mind and knows a very complex offense that not many high school teams can defend. Move ahead to the athletes of D-1 college ball and Riley would get what he got from MNW on a weekly basis. Dont believe it? Ask Papa Dodge. He got the education this year. I am sure Junior is a nice kid, but from neutral eyes, no way is he gonna make it at D-1 playing QB. I envision him as a very good D-3 QB. Like maybe a Mount Union or something like that.
 
WoodyHayes said:
A few key points that are forgotten.
1 - MNW adjusted and shut out SLC in the 2nd half. They play again and its ugly for the boys from Carroll
2 - Wasson got outcoached. MNW coach made the adjustments. Wasson did not.
3 - Riley Dodge got exposed for what he is and will always be. A very good HIGH SCHOOL QB. He did not have the athleticism or the speed to handle MNW's D-1 prospects. Why does he look so good? Because he has a very good football mind and knows a very complex offense that not many high school teams can defend. Move ahead to the athletes of D-1 college ball and Riley would get what he got from MNW on a weekly basis. Dont believe it? Ask Papa Dodge. He got the education this year. I am sure Junior is a nice kid, but from neutral eyes, no way is he gonna make it at D-1 playing QB. I envision him as a very good D-3 QB. Like maybe a Mount Union or something like that.
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We know. We know. You hate SLC and every person and every player connected with the program. We get it.

Mack Brown and The University of Texas thought enough of Riley Dodge to offer him a scholarship but I suppose you know better.
 
sa68ag said:
I love Texas HS football but MNW physically flat kicked SLC's butt in that game. To say SLC would beat them now is a real, real strectch. Who knows about prior years but in 2007 MNW is the better team - end of story.
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No doubt MNW was the better team on 9/15. That was settled. The question is who is the better team now?

History is full of examples when a team avenged a loss early in the season to the same team. I believe that would happen this year between SLC and MNW.
 
SLCDad said:
No doubt MNW was the better team on 9/15. That was settled. The question is who is the better team now?

History is full of examples when a team avenged a loss early in the season to the same team. I believe that would happen this year between SLC and MNW.
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I totally agree with the bolded part above.

I am curious as to the reasons you think that SLC would win the second time around. What have they changed since the first go round.
 
It's like when Bill and Ted kept beating the Grim Reaper, and the Grim Reaper kept wanting to play again.

2 out of 3?

3 out of 5?

4 out of 7?

If they played again, and MNW won, my guess is SLCDad would be saying that it is very hard to beat a team three times, and if they played again, SLC would win.

Turn those machines back on!
 
While MNW won the game and left no doubt with most watching the game who was the better team, it seems like the results are becoming legendary.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the Bulls had one scoring play, a 75 yard TD in the second half. Coupled with the botched snap, that was just about it for scoring in the second half, right?
 
Chicago said:
It's like when Bill and Ted kept beating the Grim Reaper, and the Grim Reaper kept wanting to play again.

2 out of 3?

3 out of 5?

4 out of 7?

If they played again, and MNW won, my guess is SLCDad would be saying that it is very hard to beat a team three times, and if they played again, SLC would win.

Turn those machines back on!
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LOL.....Long Live The Dukes!!!!!
 
UT / Riley Dodge

SLCDad said:
We know. We know. You hate SLC and every person and every player connected with the program. We get it.

Mack Brown and The University of Texas thought enough of Riley Dodge to offer him a scholarship but I suppose you know better.
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Was that scholarship as a QB? NO. Riley Dodge would have played on special teams at all if he had went to UT. What about the other parts of the post?
1- Wasson got outcoached
2 - SLC got shut out
3 - I am giving Riley his props. He is a fine high school football QB and has given SLC fans much to cheer about.
But come on Dad, he is not a big time D-1 college QB. He is smart and runs a complex offense that most high schools can not defend. Props to him. But as Papa Dodge found out, there is a huge difference between high school and college.
It pains me that you think I am a hater. I am not. I am a neutral observer who likes Gilmer (and yes they are probably going home this week) who calls them like they see them. On a national level, I believe SLC would beat St. X right now (X has injuries at QB) but some teams from FLA and Cali who have fast D-1 athletes would probably take the fire out of the Dragons mouth. Why do I say that? Because they also have the offenses that can score points and SLC's defense is suspect at best, bad against good teams at worst.
 
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Maybe standings could always have an asterisk.

Dallas Cowboys 11-1-0*

*results of actual games, and not necessarily indicative of who would win today
 
And you could adjust game stories, too.

"Randy Moss caught a 27-yard touchdown pass from Tom Brady with 3:18 left in the first half, but a few minutes earlier or a few minutes later he might have dropped it."
 
Chicago said:
Maybe standings could always have an asterisk.

Dallas Cowboys 11-1-0*

*results of actual games, and not necessarily indicative of who would win today
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You are actually dead on. Leading up to the Pats-Colts game and right afterwards, everyone stated that while a huge game, they likely would meet again in the Conf Championship game.

Same thing with the Cowboys/Packers. "This will decide home field." I listeded to JJ talk about how this was the biggest game in TS for 15 years, but will not knock either team out.

In HS football, especially at the National level we rarely have that chance. There is one game and that's all we get.

There really is not a lot to talk about. This week, we have had 3 threads started, with a total 13 replies. No one cares, even when we are knee deep in the playoffs.

Might as well discuss what people want to talk about, right? We could rehash the game, but it was pretty much a snoozer the first go round especially in the second half.
 
Chicago said:
And you could adjust game stories, too.

"Randy Moss caught a 27-yard touchdown pass from Tom Brady with 3:18 left in the first half, but a few minutes earlier or a few minutes later he might have dropped it."
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Like "What happens if Jackie Smith doesn't drop that TD pass in the endzone against Pittsburgh."
 
By the way, you think maybe you could have the state championships in a city that doesn't cost 80 billion dollars to fly to?

And Austin didn't look any better.
 
Pretty big debate about having one location. I don't like it, but understand the reasoning. Last year was a dud w/attendance. This year could be as well or awesome. I'll be on a cruise either way.

Have you tried connecting through Mexico City?
 
Its like I said before Steeler 01. SLC has always had close games. The fact that they have managed to get the breaks they need to win in previous years has been unfathomable. That is what the SLC mystique was all about in my eyes.

Before today 79-1 since 2002 with at least 10 very near losses.

I feel that fate finally caught up with them today. I know you want them to be TX's best 2007 because MNW beat them but whatever. For all the biased and unbiased critics of SLC - It is what it is in 2007. I just did not think SLC's defense would carry them to another championship this year.

MNW may very well be the best team in the nation, but in TX they would have had many more close games in the playoffs and possible near losses than what they experience in Florida.
 
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SLCDad said:
No doubt MNW was the better team on 9/15. That was settled. The question is who is the better team now?

History is full of examples when a team avenged a loss early in the season to the same team. I believe that would happen this year between SLC and MNW.
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Still believe that?
 
Miami Northwestern was a better team than SLC on 9/15/07 however,
Trinity did look horrible on 9/15/07 losing to Odessa Permian 30-3. Today Trinity beat Odessa Permian 38-14.


So you never truly know.

I'm inclined to believe MNW would have beaten SLC again but I also thought Odessa Permian would beat Trinity again in the rematch.
 
I posted quite a while ago (weeks if not months) that Bill Walsh, widely considered the best offensive/passing coach in history was not a big fan of 4 and 5 wide reciever spread offenses for many reasons, one of which was the vulnerability of a QB to injury

not sure how Dodge got injured and I am sorry for him, but Bill Walsh probably would have said TOLD YA
 
consumerman said:
not sure how Dodge got injured and I am sorry for him, but Bill Walsh probably would have said TOLD YA
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Just saw it on the news. Bang bang clean hit.

TD spinner/keeper by the Abilene QB was cool.

Fumbled snap on the ten w/10 seconds left by SLC will be rehashed several times I believe. oops, kids got to be sick over that one.
 
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