Ohio State Recruiting

Former Massillon Tiger Xavior Gray is visiting SC, Vandy, Colorado, Miami, and….Michigan.

OSU has reached out to NW transfer Josh Thompson.
 
Orin Swift said:
Former Massillon Tiger Xavior Gray is visiting SC, Vandy, Colorado, Miami, and….Michigan.

OSU has reached out to NW transfer Josh Thompson.
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Maybe Michigan can sign a couple of good linemen and Ohio State can take them when Michigan faces their much deserved penalties.
 
What Texas is doing on the trail this season in recruiting is the standard. 4-6 composite 5 stars. Bare minimum 9 composite top 100 players.

THAT is the standard. Ryan Day isn’t able to hit those standards anymore
 
Spartacus1987 said:
What Texas is doing on the trail this season in recruiting is the standard. 4-6 composite 5 stars. Bare minimum 9 composite top 100 players.

THAT is the standard. Ryan Day isn’t able to hit those standards anymore
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Ohio State NIL isn’t able to hit that standard. Need to get deeper pockets.
 
Spartacus1987 said:
What Texas is doing on the trail this season in recruiting is the standard. 4-6 composite 5 stars. Bare minimum 9 composite top 100 players.

THAT is the standard. Ryan Day isn’t able to hit those standards anymore
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I think one of the issues is that many insiders have said OSU's strategy for HS recruiting when it comes to NIL is to only really pay for players who are ready to come in and compete for a job as a Freshmen and then use the money to get starters from the portal. I am not sure if I like that train of thought when it comes to roster construction, especially when it comes to developmental positions like the O-line.
Orin Swift said:
Ohio State NIL isn’t able to hit that standard. Need to get deeper pockets.
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I doubt the total amount of money is not the issue, but the way we use it may be. Ohio State is the largest fanbase in the country if they need money they can get it.
 
Orin Swift said:
Ohio State NIL isn’t able to hit that standard. Need to get deeper pockets.
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People need to stop blaming NIL. Ryan wasn’t recruiting this well consistently pre NIL minus 2021. If you have good recruiters then players will come, see James Laurinaitis and Brian Hartline. Can’t throw Walton in there because his best recruits are all Ohio boys minus Devin Sanchez
 
Spartacus1987 said:
People need to stop blaming NIL. Ryan wasn’t recruiting this well consistently pre NIL minus 2021. If you have good recruiters then players will come, see James Laurinaitis and Brian Hartline. Can’t throw Walton in there because his best recruits are all Ohio boys minus Devin Sanchez
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And the 1,000+ ranked GA DB.

I don’t disagree entirely but I do think Ohio State needs to up their NIL. It’s the entire reason Offord, Mathis and Merritt decommitted.
 
BigPSH said:
I doubt the total amount of money is not the issue, but the way we use it may be. Ohio State is the largest fanbase in the country if they need money they can get it.
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You’re right but thousands donating $10-$100 aren’t going to compete with the Larry Ellisons, Phil Knights, and Texas oil money.

From my understanding is Ohio State asked the local king of lingerie to stay away from the university (not to mention his net worth likely took a dive post Epstein). You’ve got Vivek, but he seems more to care about a photo op than truly helping out the program. Otherwise I’d feel like you hear about him by now. It also doesn’t help that two of the highest earning alum-in-the-NFL in the Bosa brothers don’t seem to have any interest in giving back to the program. I think Joey came back for the 10 year anniversary of the national championship but outside that I don’t think either have even been back at to the Woody since both were drafted. Hell, Nick hasn’t been on campus since midway through his true junior season.
 
Orin Swift said:
You’re right but thousands donating $10-$100 aren’t going to compete with the Larry Ellisons, Phil Knights, and Texas oil money.

From my understanding is Ohio State asked the local king of lingerie to stay away from the university (not to mention his net worth likely took a dive post Epstein). You’ve got Vivek, but he seems more to care about a photo op than truly helping out the program. Otherwise I’d feel like you hear about him by now. It also doesn’t help that two of the highest earning alum-in-the-NFL in the Bosa brothers don’t seem to have any interest in giving back to the program. I think Joey came back for the 10 year anniversary of the national championship but outside that I don’t think either have even been back at to the Woody since both were drafted. Hell, Nick hasn’t been on campus since midway through his true junior season.
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That is the thing though you don't need a face to front the NIL and rely on one person then. Ohio State I am sure has plenty of Millionaire and probably a few Billionaire fans that we would never even know. I would rather it be that way than to have to rely on some sugar babys extorting money from a 90 year old with no connection to the school. To me it seems like a more consistent flow than having to worry about getting that one big fish to poney up every year.
 
BigPSH said:
That is the thing though you don't need a face to front the NIL and rely on one person then. Ohio State I am sure has plenty of Millionaire and probably a few Billionaire fans that we would never even know. I would rather it be that way than to have to rely on some sugar babys extorting money from a 90 year old with no connection to the school. To me it seems like a more consistent flow than having to worry about getting that one big fish to poney up every year.
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Yes, but youre only referring to Michigan. That isn’t the situation for Oregon, Texas, Tennessee, Miami, etc. They have large fan bases, I’d argue Texas rivals Ohio State and Tennessee isn’t all that far off, with well known, supportive billionaires. That’s why those schools are much better at the late elite recruit flips than Ohio State.

Schottenstein, Vivek, and a few others are in that billionaire status but Ohio State doesn’t have the high-high net worth fire power that Oregon (Knight), Tennessee (Haslem), or in Miami’s case a billionaire that doesn’t care about his money in John Ruiz.
 
Orin Swift said:
Yes, but youre only referring to Michigan. That isn’t the situation for Oregon, Texas, Tennessee, Miami, etc. They have large fan bases, I’d argue Texas rivals Ohio State and Tennessee isn’t all that far off, with well known, supportive billionaires. That’s why those schools are much better at the late elite recruit flips than Ohio State.

Schottenstein, Vivek, and a few others are in that billionaire status but Ohio State doesn’t have the high-high net worth fire power that Oregon (Knight), Tennessee (Haslem), or in Miami’s case a billionaire that doesn’t care about his money in John Ruiz.
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All your points are fair and valid. I just don't think late flips is directly an NIL issue as we have had that happening for way longer than NIL has been around. Why it happens to us more than others I am not sure, not even sure it really does happen more to us or if we just notice it because were Buckeye fans. I just don't like having one person as the backer because that give that sole person so much influence over the program. I for one would not want a Jimmy Haslam running the shots at Ohio State.
 
I’m not sure late flips happen more against Ohio State than other programs. You definitely notice it more when it’s the program you actually follow.

NIL seemed to play a major role in late losses this cycle. Offord in particular going to Oregon seemingly out of nowhere (many seemed to assume Auburn if a flip occurred).

Right now I’d be much more concerned about needing to find 2-3 quality OL in the portal due to how poorly that room has been neglected in terms of accruing quality depth. Need to get a damn kicker too.
 
bob99 said:
Maybe Michigan can sign a couple of good linemen and Ohio State can take them when Michigan faces their much deserved penalties.
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MAYBE Michigan can sign a couple of good linemen? Really? Have you never seen Michigan play before? That is the GUTS of Michigan football. And you truly revealed how desperate and how badly you would love to have a physical OL like "THE" Michigan Wolverines. But cryin ryan is too busy getting Wr's he decides not to use in THE GAME. From this side of the fence, it's kind of funny how misused they were.
 
nwwarrior09 said:
I’m not sure late flips happen more against Ohio State than other programs. You definitely notice it more when it’s the program you actually follow.

NIL seemed to play a major role in late losses this cycle. Offord in particular going to Oregon seemingly out of nowhere (many seemed to assume Auburn if a flip occurred).

Right now I’d be much more concerned about needing to find 2-3 quality OL in the portal due to how poorly that room has been neglected in terms of accruing quality depth. Need to get a damn kicker too.
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The problem is OSU loses some big time players to late flips and don’t flip other teams big time players. Big time player = 5 star or composite top 100 player. Ryan Day is an awful closer
 
Orin Swift said:
Ohio State NIL isn’t able to hit that standard. Need to get deeper pockets.
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As well heeled as Ohio State is, they can't match the spending of billionaire backers like Larry Ellison for Michigan, Phil Knight for Oregon, and the oil money for Texas. While I applaud OSU maintaining all of its sports teams and even adding scholarships, are they spreading their pie to thin at the expense of football? The going rate for a 5 star QB at $2.5M a year is unreal.
 
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Spartacus1987 said:
The problem is OSU loses some big time players to late flips and don’t flip other teams big time players. Big time player = 5 star or composite top 100 player. Ryan Day is an awful closer
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They don’t cast a big enough net to have much if anything in play to flip IMO.

Feels like a repeated pattern of fill most of the class early, and then try to hold on at the end.
 
Absolutely. LOL. As you can tell from my user name moniker, the truth has been anguish for me going on 25+ years. We miss you Tom O
 
imhipp21 said:
You are

you are correct on that. Sadly, they probably only know JC Watts as a politician and not maybe the greatest option QB ever.
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If it wasn’t JC, it might have been the guy before him, Thomas Lott. I can still picture him turning the corner, bandana sticking out from the back of his helmet, with Billy Sims. Pick your poison.
 
I don’t see the shock here. The kid is not worthy of an OSU offer and Kirk had two older boys that were playing at Clemson when OSU was going head to head with Dabo in some heated playoffs.
 
They gave him a scholarship. I may be mistaken, but all of Herbie’s other kids were walk-ons.

Congrats to him, even if he never plays a down. There’s a big difference between being on scholarship vs. being a walk-on, and I can’t fault anyone for taking the scholly .
 
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