Northwest Ohio Realignment

dhsdog06

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PH goes nowhere unless either the NWOAL implodes or goes big school crazy. Napoleon AND Defiance, somehow could push them out. Of course, that's not happening. I think they'd be OK with Napoleon and certainly ok with Tinora or Otsego.
 

chs1971

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I agree. Fostoria, as a city and district, has fallen on hard times. They need to move to the SBC. Sandusky or Perkins would be a better fit.
693 - Sandusky
567 - Maumee
474 - Perkins
432 - Rossford
400 - Oak Harbor
398 - Fostoria
362 - Eastwood
361 - Lake
358 - Otsego
341 - Genoa

Perkins, and certainly Sandusky, are not a better fit.
 
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Legacy

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If I was running the BVC I’d be Uber aggressive and try to land PH and Fostoria while telling Vanlue they can stick around for everything but football.
I agree with adding Patrick Henry, but not Fostoria. If the BVC were to be "uber aggressive," they need to get Leipsic back and make Carey say no. Could you imagine the BVC with Arlington, Arcadia, Carey, Elmwood, McComb, Patrick-Henry, Leipsic, Liberty-Benton, Pandora-Gilboa, Riverdale, and Van Buren? Play a 7-game rotation in football. That would be a very solid league. With that said, I think Carey is the longest shot of coming in. But if PH comes in and Leipsic were to come back, I feel it would be enticing for Carey.
 
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CC Track Fan

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I agree with adding Patrick Henry, but not Fostoria. If the BVC were to be "uber aggressive," they need to get Leipsic back and make Carey say no. Could you imagine the BVC with Arlington, Arcadia, Carey, Elmwood, McComb, Patrick-Henry? Leipsic, Liberty-Benton, Pandora-Gilboa, Riverdale, and Van Buren? Play a 7-game rotation in football. That would be a very solid league. With that said, I think Carey is the longest shot of coming in. But if PH comes in and Leipsic were to come back, I feel it would be enticing for Carey.
If that is the new BVC Arcadia doesn't really belong. Move them out and you got a nice 10 schools.
 

Maple_City_Fan

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Perkins and Sandusky play in a competitive Conference with great travel. In my best Jon Gruden voice (am I allowed to use his name?), I don't see it happening, man!
 

933York

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I don't disagree and I don't think we are or will be interested. Just that the logical and probably desired result for the NLL is those 3 finishing out a 14 team league. You could break it up 7/7 ot 8/6, but it's clearly THEIR best end result.

I also don't see any of the 3 being interested unless forced to be. If the NWOAL broke up and the WBL nudged Defiance in that direction at the same time, then maybe. But 40 years of stability in the WBL tells me nothing will happen there, and unless the NWOAL loses 3 instead of 1 they'll survive too.

As for why Defiance would....to be the 12th, they wouldn't. For any reason. There's no reason to when we already play Napoleon, and would simply replace Van Wert (who is our most played football opponent of anyone) with Bryan (obvious rival, but no football history in 50 years.) The travel would be similar, the schedule might lead itself to a couple more wins and some playoff berths, but we'd also end up having to find at least week 2 and 3 if not week 4 and 5 games. The end results would be a wash if not negative.

But say Bryan and Wauseon WOULD jump. You'd now have the historical big 3 of the NWOAL back together, another close opponent for each of us in Wauseon, and a minimum of 6, MAYBE 7 games scheduled. And with an 8 team WBL which I'd think would be the end result, we can pick up VW and maybe even OG non league and have a game we could schedule around where we're at at that point left. At that point, everything starts looking like a minor win to jump. Easier schedule with non league flexibility to schedule the WBL teams we care about/good points games. All of our closest, similar sized schools in the league, helping reduce travel time. Stability would be the issue and I could and probably would see them NOT going because of it. But there would definitely be reasons why it could be done if we wanted to.


I really do think the end result though will either be Napoleon replacing Swanton (putting the NWOAL at 8 and NLL at 10 with no need for anymore movement), or Napoleon passes and the NWC tries to pry Tinora out of the GMC, with the GMC likely making a run at Crestview then settling on Edon or Montpelier when turned down. From there, everything stays calm for a few years.
I’ll be shocked if Defiance does actually move.
 

Fireman878

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I agree with adding Patrick Henry, but not Fostoria. If the BVC were to be "uber aggressive," they need to get Leipsic back and make Carey say no. Could you imagine the BVC with Arlington, Arcadia, Carey, Elmwood, McComb, Patrick-Henry? Leipsic, Liberty-Benton, Pandora-Gilboa, Riverdale, and Van Buren? Play a 7-game rotation in football. That would be a very solid league. With that said, I think Carey is the longest shot of coming in. But if PH comes in and Leipsic were to come back, I feel it would be enticing for Carey.
That would be a great league
 

CCHS93

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693 - Sandusky
567 - Maumee
474 - Perkins
432 - Rossford
400 - Oak Harbor
398 - Fostoria
362 - Eastwood
361 - Lake
358 - Otsego
341 - Genoa

Perkins, and certainly Sandusky, are not a better fit.
Numbers arent everything. Look at the Toledo City League enrollment numbers and compare them to the NLL or NBC. In almost every sport, the City League would lose almost every game; with the exception of basketball. Fostoria may have a decent amount of kids; more than Otesego and Eastwood. But program-wise and community-wise, it has a tough time competing again the rest of the league.

Eastwood has always punched above its weight class. Fostoria punches below theirs; as do the City League schools and Lima Senior (except in football and basketball).
 

chs1971

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Numbers arent everything. Look at the Toledo City League enrollment numbers and compare them to the NLL or NBC. In almost every sport, the City League would lose almost every game; with the exception of basketball. Fostoria may have a decent amount of kids; more than Otesego and Eastwood. But program-wise and community-wise, it has a tough time competing again the rest of the league.

Eastwood has always punched above its weight class. Fostoria punches below theirs; as do the City League schools and Lima Senior (except in football and basketball).
And yet Perkins, and certainly Sandusky, are not a better fit.
 

RollingTrain

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At this point any league with any chance of losing someone should be ultra aggressive. Sitting around and watching isn’t the answer.
 

chs1971

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At this point any league with any chance of losing someone should be ultra aggressive. Sitting around and watching isn’t the answer.
That's what the NLL did and now they have an 11 team league that doesn't really work and the schools in the middle all complaining about who will be forced to play in the big division.

Or they could have sat around and watched Maumee leave anyway and then replace them with Clay and still have a fairly compact and competitive 8-team league.

But hey, at least Findlay doesn't have to play the three Toledo Catholic schools anymore, but what good that does the NLL I have no idea.
 
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jafo

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That's what they NLL did and now they have an 11 team league that doesn't really work and the schools in the middle all complaining about who will be forced to play in the big division.

Or they could have sat around and watched Maumee leave anyway and then replace them with Clay and still have a fairly compact and competitive 8-team league.

But hey, at least Findlay doesn't have to play the three Toledo Catholic schools anymore, but what good that does the NLL I have no idea.
The NLL is a work in progress. Findlay always has been. :)
 

smurfyeah19

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That's what they NLL did and now they have an 11 team league that doesn't really work and the schools in the middle all complaining about who will be forced to play in the big division.

Or they could have sat around and watched Maumee leave anyway and then replace them with Clay and still have a fairly compact and competitive 8-team league.

But hey, at least Findlay doesn't have to play the three Toledo Catholic schools anymore, but what good that does the NLL I have no idea.
100%. Whitmer went 7-1 basically every year with an annual loss to the Irish, they're going to dominate this new league. Right now on pure enrollment it's Whitmer, Perrysburg, Findlay, Anthony Wayne, Northview, Fremont Ross while Springfield, Clay, Southview, BG and Napoleon are the smaller 5. Good luck Cats

I give the "new" NLL a max of 4 years before we wind up with either a new TRAC and a GBC-type new league. At this point it'd be easiest to just have a 21 team NLL/TRAC/CL combo. Just set it up by sport and realign every few years.
 

dhsdog06

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100%. Whitmer went 7-1 basically every year with an annual loss to the Irish, they're going to dominate this new league. Right now on pure enrollment it's Whitmer, Perrysburg, Findlay, Anthony Wayne, Northview, Fremont Ross while Springfield, Clay, Southview, BG and Napoleon are the smaller 5. Good luck Cats

I give the "new" NLL a max of 4 years before we wind up with either a new TRAC and a GBC-type new league. At this point it'd be easiest to just have a 21 team NLL/TRAC/CL combo. Just set it up by sport and realign every few years.

Napoleon wins that small division quite often. They struggle to compete with Perrysburg and AW, not the garbage at the bottom.
 

SBClives

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100%. Whitmer went 7-1 basically every year with an annual loss to the Irish, they're going to dominate this new league. Right now on pure enrollment it's Whitmer, Perrysburg, Findlay, Anthony Wayne, Northview, Fremont Ross while Springfield, Clay, Southview, BG and Napoleon are the smaller 5. Good luck Cats

I give the "new" NLL a max of 4 years before we wind up with either a new TRAC and a GBC-type new league. At this point it'd be easiest to just have a 21 team NLL/TRAC/CL combo. Just set it up by sport and realign every few years.
The NLL could try and add Sandusky, Columbian and one more school to make it a 14 school league. Have two 7 school divisions with a crossover or two. I think that’d be the best way to go for the NLL.
 

chs1971

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The NLL could try and add Sandusky, Columbian and one more school to make it a 14 school league. Have two 7 school divisions with a crossover or two. I think that’d be the best way to go for the NLL.
But that's not going to happen.

More likely that Northview, Ross, Springfield, Clay, Southview, BG, and Napoleon find an 8th and dump the bigger schools.
 
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jafo

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100%. Whitmer went 7-1 basically every year with an annual loss to the Irish, they're going to dominate this new league. Right now on pure enrollment it's Whitmer, Perrysburg, Findlay, Anthony Wayne, Northview, Fremont Ross while Springfield, Clay, Southview, BG and Napoleon are the smaller 5. Good luck Cats

I give the "new" NLL a max of 4 years before we wind up with either a new TRAC and a GBC-type new league. At this point it'd be easiest to just have a 21 team NLL/TRAC/CL combo. Just set it up by sport and realign every few years.
4 YEARS??? You expect Findlay to be in the same league for 4 YEARS??? OUTRAGEOUS!!!
 

smurfyeah19

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But that's not going to happen.

More likely that Northview, Ross, Springfield, Clay, Southview, BG, and Napoleon find an 8th and dump the bigger schools.
I think you’re 100% right here. Lima Senior joins and that leaves Central/SJJ/SFS/AW/Perrysburg/Findlay/Whitmer to have to remake the TRAC with 6 schools as a very likely outcome
 

eastisbest

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100%. Whitmer went 7-1 basically every year with an annual loss to the Irish, they're going to dominate this new league. Right now on pure enrollment it's Whitmer, Perrysburg, Findlay, Anthony Wayne, Northview, Fremont Ross while Springfield, Clay, Southview, BG and Napoleon are the smaller 5. Good luck Cats

I give the "new" NLL a max of 4 years before we wind up with either a new TRAC and a GBC-type new league. At this point it'd be easiest to just have a 21 team NLL/TRAC/CL combo. Just set it up by sport and realign every few years.

🤷 was it alright when Central dominated the TRAC every year? You keep repeating this Whitmer will... bs. What's your point? Football? Baseball?.... All sports? So what? And if they don't?

Talk of a super league has been here long. It's a band-wagon. It will work itself out, be it 8 teams, 11 teams, different divisions... With the population moves and increasing use of vouchers by some schools to keep the athletic teams populated, rearrangment has been long overdue.
I think you’re 100% right here. Lima Senior joins and that leaves Central/SJJ/SFS/AW/Perrysburg/Findlay/Whitmer to have to remake the TRAC with 6 schools as a very likely outcome

Two River Athletic Conference? River and a stream?
 
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CCHS93

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The NLL could try and add Sandusky, Columbian and one more school to make it a 14 school league. Have two 7 school divisions with a crossover or two. I think that’d be the best way to go for the NLL.
I dont see that happening. The surburban NLL schools dont want to drive more than 20 minutes to another site.
 

ToledoGuy

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I'm giving it 4 years for NV, SV, BG, Springfield, and Clay to start asking around and find a group of teams to join up with them because they're getting their heads kicked in on court, field, AND diamond. Wonder if Maumee, Rossford, and Napoleon would be interested in something like that?
 

933York

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I'm giving it 4 years for NV, SV, BG, Springfield, and Clay to start asking around and find a group of teams to join up with them because they're getting their heads kicked in on court, field, AND diamond. Wonder if Maumee, Rossford, and Napoleon would be interested in something like that?
Basically, they'll be back to the original NLL without Perrysburg and AW, and Findlay and Fremont will have another league name to add to their resume...
 
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