Northwest Ohio Realignment

dhsdog06

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Still not saying we'd be interested, but a Bryan, Wauseon, Defiance finish to a 14 team NLL would be the best bet for the NLL.
 

CC Track Fan

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Still not saying we'd be interested, but a Bryan, Wauseon, Defiance finish to a 14 team NLL would be the best bet for the NLL.
I think that is what the NLL hoped for when started this process. Also would have like Maumee to stick around along with someone like Rossford to also join to give them the 2 8 team leagues.
 

ToledoGuy

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Still not saying we'd be interested, but a Bryan, Wauseon, Defiance finish to a 14 team NLL would be the best bet for the NLL.
That would be interesting...if they went by enrollment this would be the breakdown (7 - team divisions would likely require one mandatory cross-over to make things work). Man would Springfield be upset lol.

Whitmer - 839
Perrysburg - 672
Findlay - 600
Anthony Wayne - 544
Northview - 511
Fremont Ross - 454
Springfield - 452

Clay - 442
Southview - 368
Bowling Green - 361
Defiance - 297
Napoleon - 248
Bryan - 247
Wauseon - 226

Just for kicks, these would be the remaining teams in the NWOAL were that to happen
Evergreen - 154
Archbold - 146
Liberty Center - 135
Delta - 136
Patrick Henry - 97

I would venture a guess Evergreen/Delta would end up in the TAAC anyways, despite their community opposition if Swanton were to leave along with Bryan and Wauseon....but those are all HUGE ifs. I think it would be far more likely that the NLL ends up with Tiffin over those teams. I think the most likely scenario would be Napoleon getting an invite to the NWOAL if Swanton left...not sure if they would take it or not though. One thing is for sure, Maumee basically forcing the NLL to do this, then leaving anyways, it kind of the turd in the punch bowl for all of this. Would be VERY easy to push to 16 teams if you still had them in the fold.
 

dhsdog06

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That would be interesting...if they went by enrollment this would be the breakdown (7 - team divisions would likely require one mandatory cross-over to make things work). Man would Springfield be upset lol.

Whitmer - 839
Perrysburg - 672
Findlay - 600
Anthony Wayne - 544
Northview - 511
Fremont Ross - 454
Springfield - 452

Clay - 442
Southview - 368
Bowling Green - 361
Defiance - 297
Napoleon - 248
Bryan - 247
Wauseon - 226

Just for kicks, these would be the remaining teams in the NWOAL were that to happen
Evergreen - 154
Archbold - 146
Liberty Center - 135
Delta - 136
Patrick Henry - 97

I would venture a guess Evergreen/Delta would end up in the TAAC anyways, despite their community opposition if Swanton were to leave along with Bryan and Wauseon....but those are all HUGE ifs. I think it would be far more likely that the NLL ends up with Tiffin over those teams. I think the most likely scenario would be Napoleon getting an invite to the NWOAL if Swanton left...not sure if they would take it or not though. One thing is for sure, Maumee basically forcing the NLL to do this, then leaving anyways, it kind of the turd in the punch bowl for all of this. Would be VERY easy to push to 16 teams if you still had them in the fold.

I think the simple Napoleon for Swanton swap is most likely too, and I think as much as Napoleon enjoys playing up, they'd accept.

Just gets interesting if Delta and Evergreen DO stick with Swanton.
 

Legacy

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That would be interesting...if they went by enrollment this would be the breakdown (7 - team divisions would likely require one mandatory cross-over to make things work). Man would Springfield be upset lol.

Whitmer - 839
Perrysburg - 672
Findlay - 600
Anthony Wayne - 544
Northview - 511
Fremont Ross - 454
Springfield - 452

Clay - 442
Southview - 368
Bowling Green - 361
Defiance - 297
Napoleon - 248
Bryan - 247
Wauseon - 226

Just for kicks, these would be the remaining teams in the NWOAL were that to happen
Evergreen - 154
Archbold - 146
Liberty Center - 135
Delta - 136
Patrick Henry - 97

I would venture a guess Evergreen/Delta would end up in the TAAC anyways, despite their community opposition if Swanton were to leave along with Bryan and Wauseon....but those are all HUGE ifs. I think it would be far more likely that the NLL ends up with Tiffin over those teams. I think the most likely scenario would be Napoleon getting an invite to the NWOAL if Swanton left...not sure if they would take it or not though. One thing is for sure, Maumee basically forcing the NLL to do this, then leaving anyways, it kind of the turd in the punch bowl for all of this. Would be VERY easy to push to 16 teams if you still had them in the fold.
If this were to happen, this would be interesting. At that point, does PH go to the BVC? Archbold and Liberty-Center go to the small NLL Division and Evergreen, and Delta also go to the TAAC as well?
 
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ToledoGuy

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I think the simple Napoleon for Swanton swap is most likely too, and I think as much as Napoleon enjoys playing up, they'd accept.

Just gets interesting if Delta and Evergreen DO stick with Swanton.

Yeah...part of me thinks Swanton jumping would essentially force the hand of those other two schools (and is why they probably asked OH/NW/etc. to invite them now that the conference idea they had was completely wiped out). If Swanton leaves, the only really clear add would be Napoleon, and I'd imagine they probably would prefer a small school division in the NLL over an 8 team conference with Evergreen, Archbold, PH, and Delta, but who knows what communities want at this point.
 
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ToledoGuy

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If this were to happen, this would be interesting. At that point, does PH go to the BVC? Archbold and Liberty-Center go to the small NLL Division and Evergreen, and Delta also go to the TAAC as well?

If that were to happen, you'd have a top division of:

Whitmer
Findlay
Perrysburg
Anthony Wayne
Northview
Fremont Ross
Springfield
Clay

and a lower division of
Southview
Bowling Green
Defiance
Napoleon
Bryan
Wauseon
Archbold
Liberty Center

I guess I just don't know if that bottom division makes a whole ton of sense. I mean, you'd have 4 divisions represented (D3 to D6) and would always have one enrollment whale (once the McCord/Timberstone classes get to High School, Southview will be back up to around 900 students). Don't know how or why Archbold and Liberty Center would want to be a part of unless there is absolutely no other choice (Wauseon and Bryan leave).

The whole lynchpin IF Swanton accepts would be if the NWOAL can get team #8 (Napoleon would be the logical choice). They could just as easily look at that conference and say no...to which the NWOAL has to either lose another team or somehow manage an imbalanced conference. One could pretty easily imagine that PH would leave to go to the BVC if it were a 7 team conference. Then you've got a 100 person difference between the two teams at the top and the rest of the conference.
 

chipshot

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I think the simple Napoleon for Swanton swap is most likely too, and I think as much as Napoleon enjoys playing up, they'd accept.

Just gets interesting if Delta and Evergreen DO stick with Swanton.
Napoleon is the easy answer if Swanton were to leave. But if Napoleon entering the league means Evergreen, Delta, and maybe PH want out then the whole league essentially implodes. If the remaining 7 want to try to stick together and keep the NWOAL a viable league they may need to seek a replacement agreeable to all. That replacement may not be out there but do they try to pry a Tinora or Otsego away? Probably not gonna happen but they may give it a shot to keep the league intact.
 

dhsdog06

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If that were to happen, you'd have a top division of:

Whitmer
Findlay
Perrysburg
Anthony Wayne
Northview
Fremont Ross
Springfield
Clay

and a lower division of
Southview
Bowling Green
Defiance
Napoleon
Bryan
Wauseon
Archbold
Liberty Center

I guess I just don't know if that bottom division makes a whole ton of sense. I mean, you'd have 4 divisions represented (D3 to D6) and would always have one enrollment whale (once the McCord/Timberstone classes get to High School, Southview will be back up to around 900 students). Don't know how or why Archbold and Liberty Center would want to be a part of unless there is absolutely no other choice (Wauseon and Bryan leave).

The whole lynchpin IF Swanton accepts would be if the NWOAL can get team #8 (Napoleon would be the logical choice). They could just as easily look at that conference and say no...to which the NWOAL has to either lose another team or somehow manage an imbalanced conference. One could pretty easily imagine that PH would leave to go to the BVC if it were a 7 team conference. Then you've got a 100 person difference between the two teams at the top and the rest of the conference.

Wouldn't even be 4 divisions in the small school division, at least until/if Southview went D2. There wouldn't be anyone in D5, just 3 D3, 3 D4, 2 D6.

I could see Archbold being willing to playing up (and competing.) LC would be the question. They'd do fine in football. Maybe cross country and a random year here and there in others. But what would happen when they start getting blasted in basketball or run ruled in baseball. I'm not sure they have the depth in their entire athletic department to play up in every sport.
 

ToledoGuy

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Wouldn't even be 4 divisions in the small school division, at least until/if Southview went D2. There wouldn't be anyone in D5, just 3 D3, 3 D4, 2 D6.

I could see Archbold being willing to playing up (and competing.) LC would be the question. They'd do fine in football. Maybe cross country and a random year here and there in others. But what would happen when they start getting blasted in basketball or run ruled in baseball. I'm not sure they have the depth in their entire athletic department to play up in every sport.

Yeah, which is why I just don't think that would happen. To me, the play would be Bryan, Wauseon, Defiance or just try to solidify Napoleon's standing and get Tiffin to join for 12.
 

jafo

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Is there any reason to believe that Tiffin Columbian is even interested in joining the NLL? Also, I think that Napoleon has absolutely no interest in leaving the NLL.
 

ToledoGuy

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Is there any reason to believe that Tiffin Columbian is even interested in joining the NLL? Also, I think that Napoleon has absolutely no interest in leaving the NLL.
Nope, but they haven't been out about their opposition either (like Defiance, the only other natural fit), and there aren't really ANY other potential fits in the area in unstable conference situations.
 

CC Track Fan

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I guess I just don't know if that bottom division makes a whole ton of sense. I mean, you'd have 4 divisions represented (D3 to D6) and would always have one enrollment whale (once the McCord/Timberstone classes get to High School, Southview will be back up to around 900 students). Don't know how or why Archbold and Liberty Center would want to be a part of unless there is absolutely no other choice (Wauseon and Bryan leave).
Once the redistricting is to the HS in Southview I would expect them to be bigger than both Fremont and Clay so it would be one of those two moving to the smaller division.
 

dhsdog06

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Napoleon is the easy answer if Swanton were to leave. But if Napoleon entering the league means Evergreen, Delta, and maybe PH want out then the whole league essentially implodes. If the remaining 7 want to try to stick together and keep the NWOAL a viable league they may need to seek a replacement agreeable to all. That replacement may not be out there but do they try to pry a Tinora or Otsego away? Probably not gonna happen but they may give it a shot to keep the league intact.

Tinora would be interesting. Not sure how into the idea they may be, but they play LC. They compete well with Wauseon. They'd be a natural fit with Archbold. They've played Delta in the past. The GMC is a nice, compact league but maybe they'd do the step up, knowing they could keep the Fairview and Ayersville games early.
 

boater

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Still not saying we'd be interested, but a Bryan, Wauseon, Defiance finish to a 14 team NLL would be the best bet for the NLL.
In my opinion I see it more likely IF Kenton were to leave the WBL ( Highly unlikely again IMO) that Napoleon would be a better fit in the WBL - Next to the NWOAL I don't see change in the future for either league - but why would Defiance leave the most stable league in NW Ohio ( and for trophies in boys competitiveness - the WBL is better than the NLL - look it up! ) for the NLL- makes little sense to me.
 

dhsdog06

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In my opinion I see it more likely IF Kenton were to leave the WBL ( Highly unlikely again IMO) that Napoleon would be a better fit in the WBL - Next to the NWOAL I don't see change in the future for either league - but why would Defiance leave the most stable league in NW Ohio ( and for trophies in boys competitiveness - the WBL is better than the NLL - look it up! ) for the NLL- makes little sense to me.

I don't disagree and I don't think we are or will be interested. Just that the logical and probably desired result for the NLL is those 3 finishing out a 14 team league. You could break it up 7/7 ot 8/6, but it's clearly THEIR best end result.

I also don't see any of the 3 being interested unless forced to be. If the NWOAL broke up and the WBL nudged Defiance in that direction at the same time, then maybe. But 40 years of stability in the WBL tells me nothing will happen there, and unless the NWOAL loses 3 instead of 1 they'll survive too.

As for why Defiance would....to be the 12th, they wouldn't. For any reason. There's no reason to when we already play Napoleon, and would simply replace Van Wert (who is our most played football opponent of anyone) with Bryan (obvious rival, but no football history in 50 years.) The travel would be similar, the schedule might lead itself to a couple more wins and some playoff berths, but we'd also end up having to find at least week 2 and 3 if not week 4 and 5 games. The end results would be a wash if not negative.

But say Bryan and Wauseon WOULD jump. You'd now have the historical big 3 of the NWOAL back together, another close opponent for each of us in Wauseon, and a minimum of 6, MAYBE 7 games scheduled. And with an 8 team WBL which I'd think would be the end result, we can pick up VW and maybe even OG non league and have a game we could schedule around where we're at at that point left. At that point, everything starts looking like a minor win to jump. Easier schedule with non league flexibility to schedule the WBL teams we care about/good points games. All of our closest, similar sized schools in the league, helping reduce travel time. Stability would be the issue and I could and probably would see them NOT going because of it. But there would definitely be reasons why it could be done if we wanted to.


I really do think the end result though will either be Napoleon replacing Swanton (putting the NWOAL at 8 and NLL at 10 with no need for anymore movement), or Napoleon passes and the NWC tries to pry Tinora out of the GMC, with the GMC likely making a run at Crestview then settling on Edon or Montpelier when turned down. From there, everything stays calm for a few years.
 

dhsdog06

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Why? They fit right in with NBC three of the conference schools are in Wood county

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But while I agree they fit in the NBC, it's not like the idea of them in the NWOAL is that far fetched. I mean they border both LC and PH. It's 46 minutes to OH. 55 to Bryan. 38 to Fostoria. 45 to Archbold. 37 to Genoa. 40 to Evergreen, 39 to Wauseon. They'd add a little travel, but not a ridiculous amount.

I'd think Tinora or Napoleon fit better, but if Otsego for some reason wanted to move they'd be welcomed in.
 

Fireman878

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But while I agree they fit in the NBC, it's not like the idea of them in the NWOAL is that far fetched. I mean they border both LC and PH. It's 46 minutes to OH. 55 to Bryan. 38 to Fostoria. 45 to Archbold. 37 to Genoa. 40 to Evergreen, 39 to Wauseon. They'd add a little travel, but not a ridiculous amount.

I'd think Tinora or Napoleon fit better, but if Otsego for some reason wanted to move they'd be welcomed in.
e on points not to much more travel time. I went to Elmwood so I know all the rivals in this league. I know Elmwood is leaving for the BVC for reasons but I think Otsego shouldn’t go anywhere the compete really well
 
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