Me correcting my errors 12 hours later or you commenting on it? Who seems to have the bigger problem?
Man dies after being put in a chokehold by another rider on New York City subway
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Orin Swift
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Laughing at you does not equate to me having a problem. Good projection though!
Oh, I don't know. I think you sell yourself short.
Orin Swift
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Yeah, you clearly don’t have a problem
I would expect that every second of this event will be on video. Public transport (stations, buses, trains) have extensive video systems. In Cleveland, buses and trains have "all angles" videos as well as audio. Any crime on an RTA bus or train or train platform in Cleveland...all on video...with audio.
Omar
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It’s not just murders, it’s violent crime and general menacing
Omar
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You’re ignoring him threatening the entire train
OK...I think you're way off. However, I'm open to looking at some data. What do you got that backs up...
"It’s so much worse now than it’s ever been."
Zunardo
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Oyez, oyez, Zunardo's Court of the Assizes is now in session.
Let's keep things simple here.
Absent any evidence to the contrary, Daniel Penny willingly approached Neely and put him in a chokehold long enough to cause his death. Absent any evidence to the contrary, Penny did not intend to kill Neely, but nevertheless caused his death through his direct action.
Therefore, charge Penny with involuntary manslaughter and get him to plead. Justice is served, and our docket is clear.
I almost feel like Lt. (JG) Daniel Kaffee here.
Let's keep things simple here.
Absent any evidence to the contrary, Daniel Penny willingly approached Neely and put him in a chokehold long enough to cause his death. Absent any evidence to the contrary, Penny did not intend to kill Neely, but nevertheless caused his death through his direct action.
Therefore, charge Penny with involuntary manslaughter and get him to plead. Justice is served, and our docket is clear.
I almost feel like Lt. (JG) Daniel Kaffee here.
cabezadecaballo
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Whitlock: America’s broken family structure killed Jordan Neely and might destroy a former Marine | Blaze Media
Jordan Neely’s dad abandoned him in childhood. Neely’s stepfather strangled and disposed of his mother when Neely was just 14 years old.According to people who knew Neely, the murder of his mother and the abandonment by his father caused Jordan Neely to fall into depression and mental illness...
www.theblaze.com
I think you’re in the right church Zunardo. Might even be in the right pew.
cabezadecaballo
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Your plan, while imminently logical, does not serve the narrative. Further, it will fail to provide the required level of distraction.
Bragg also needs a white scalp to display after he fails with his "get Trump!!" Boris & Natasha impersonation. Terrible timing for Citizen Daniel Penny.
But I am smarter today because of Zunardo!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assizes
The context of this discussion with LOTR was specifically around allegations of him assaulting other passengers.
Feeling threatened is a subjective experience that's different for everyone. And that shapes your reaction, or lackthereof. You might feel threatened by a dude ranting about not having anything to drink or eat, and his willingness to die or go to jail. Some might roll their eyes, get up, and move to another train. Some might look for security. Or some might sit tight, and see it if escalates to a point where he needs restrained, protect vulnerable passengers, etc. This dude chose to intervene and choke the dude out for like 15 minutes. I'm happy to let this play out and see where the facts land.
Omar
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That’s what the people in the sub reddits are saying
cabezadecaballo
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No, if he actually was trying to choke him out, he would have choked him out in a minute. 24 yo Green Beret. Get real, and punch yourself.
He was trying to restrain a loon. A loon that should have been in jail for unprovokedly punching a 67 yo woman in the face and sending her to the hospital, but the a-hole that will prosecute Penny freed the loon that died at Penny's hand, and unleashed him on the public once again - for the 40th time.
You're being Marxism's bitch. You should stop it, sherm.
cabezadecaballo
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There is no data that you will accept, because the other big blue idiots in your Confederacy of Dunces often won't even properly charge, much less prosecute.
You are a disingenuous turd-burglar at heart. You enjoy the practice of deceit, don't you ?
only 27 people in the last couple of years have been murdered in the subway .....
OldSoulon
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Well, he is a lawyer, after all...
Omar
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This guy was known to be unhinged, so I wouldn’t take him flying off the handle lightly.
cabezadecaballo
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first white "killer"?
at some point , with what has been going on in those subway cars, with people being attacked, and in some cases murdered( 27 in the last couple of years) you would think, that at some point , because it seems people are on their own ... you have to have a sense of, I'll do whatever it takes to protect myself and other people..... instead of just grabbing your phone and videoing people getting the SHAT kicked out of them!!!!
is that right?
cabezadecaballo
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Face recog would likely put the two men on the train together multiple times, and therefore a known quantity to Penny. The loon should still be alive. The world is probably better without him in it.
Involuntary manslaughter is obvious. Details should guide sentencing for the likely conviction, if properly charged.
That said, if AOC et al can get enough traction, Bragg may even over-charge in hopes of a publicly inflammatory defeat and predictable headlines of said planned over-reach. This is creating an intentional national drama, being played out on a stage with local control.
cabezadecaballo
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I was asking you
I disagree. Penny should not be charged with a crime because in a just society he did not commit a crime. He was carrying out the act of a good Samaritan. It's unfortunate that Neely died as a result of Penny's actions but Neely's death was a direct result of his threatening actions.
In a society that bends over backwards to protect the rights of criminals, and I believe it is correct to do so, there is a need for the occasional acts of citizen Samaritans who intercede to protect those unable to protect themselves. This is one such case.
BTW and IMO this is relevant Neely did present a clear and present danger to Penny and all the others on that subway care:
Neely was wanted for punching a 67 lady in the face and sending her to the hospital. Chew on that for a moment.
one of the reasons this turd-burglar always references murder stats is that they tend to be reliable.
As for stats I would accept…try me. Conservative sources for urban crime data…overwhelm me. Of course, one of my criticisms of righty media and their “horrific crime of the day“ reporting is that data and context tends to lessen the horror…remember all of those stories about the dramatic reduction in crime on Fox between 1990 and 2018? No, I don’t remember them either.
Thus depriving him of the right to continue to breathe? Would the Marine have known that?
Gee thanks for the 5th grade civics lesson. To bad it no longer applies to much of the United States. All across America Prosecutors and judges are twisting the law in favor of criminals. Kim Gardner comes to mind as just the latest example:
Kim Gardner to resign as St. Louis circuit attorney, leaving a legacy of turmoil
Facing a move by the Missouri attorney general to oust her, a contempt of court charge and increasing public and legislative pressure, Gardner announced Thursday that she will resign effective June 1.
www.krcu.org
American justice has become much to selective as your fate will be decided by the ideology of the local law enforcement and Judicial system.