Man dies after being put in a chokehold by another rider on New York City subway

Tox goes to inferred behavior…f-Ed up people act weird, crazy…it can be inferred from tox. With video, you don’t need to infer…
Pssst....hey buddy - big secret here, evidently....c'mere... people on downers (fentanyl) die much easier under cardio-pulmonary duress that is typically tolerated by normal others.... and a duress that his own behavior inspired, as he forced a man to choose between ...

Yeah, no.
 
Pssst....hey buddy - big secret here, evidently....c'mere... people on downers (fentanyl) die much easier under cardio-pulmonary duress that is typically tolerated by normal others.... and a duress that his own behavior inspired, as he forced a man to choose between ...

Yeah, no.
Look up the civil law concept “egg shell skull”
 
I've been in situations where I've stepped in between two people ready to fight (interestingly, two were at youth sporting events). I just wanted to stop something before it got bad. Fortunately, the fights never materialized.

If I were on a subway and a crazy guy was yelling and screaming and I felt that he was going to attack someone, I would like to think I would act in that situation. I'm not the youngest or strongest person but if I got tangled up with this bad person, I absolutely would get them in a chokehold or full-nelson (if I could) and not let go until the threat was gone. I would absolutely be in fear for my life in that situation and hope that I could hold on long enough for the police to arrive. Not sure how much I would trust strangers to help me out.

I've seen so many videos of subway altercations where the other riders just sit there and act like they don't see anything. IMO, that is much worse than what this guy allegedly did if he acted against a threat.

For those saying the "victim" didn't do anything, I imagine that reading about this from the safety of your home is far different than being the passenger on that subway with a maniac making threats.

I wasn't there so I don't know how much fear this guy was in for this life. I think some are judging him more harshly because he is a young, white, military guy. If this was an older woman, she would be judged very differently.
 
Who is saying he “didn’t do anything“? Again, he’s dead. The killer is the Marine. What is the legal concept that excuses the killing?

Trying your best to restrain someone, but not knowing what you’re doing, in a situation that IS NOT self defense…that’s not a complete defense…might move it out of murder.
 
You are saying the Marine killed this guy because he heard of this man's subway behavior ? Please tell me that I missed something and I'm reading you wrong.....
I think the story is someone else on the train identified him as a threat, not the marine.
 
When my boys were little, we'd once a holiday season drive up to Van Aken or Green Rd and hop a rapid car up to Tower City. Walking around downtown alone like a cross between "Bad, " Leroy Brown and Croc Dundee, alone, whisky-drunk, and bullet-proof is one thing, but Transporter for the young fam is many layers deeper, right ?

So if I see a loon threatening a kid or young family, maybe I'm all-in if I feel personally threatened. Best defense.... :oops:
 
I agree with you. I am concerned about ensuring fair treatment for the mentally ill however. Our record on fair treatment and care of the institutionalized hasn’t always been great.
He was arrested over 40 times and still free to walk the streets. That’s better than fair treatment.
 
The other aspect of this will likely be the Marine’s defenders will attempt to fashion some sort of “citizen’s arrest” justification…and, having read the N.Y. law on that topic, there is some wiggle room…though it tends to come down to the same issue...Was the Marine’s use of deadly force based on a reasonable belief the deceased was going to use deadly force?

I‘m not seeing that but a well-picked, sympathetic jury might. It’s not ridiculous…
 
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Calling homeless people unhoused is a classic case of Libs wanting to be seen as a good person rather than actually being a good person.

Homeless have bigger problems to deal with than how people refer to them...
 
Calling homeless people unhoused is a classic case of Libs wanting to be seen as a good person rather than actually being a good person.

Homeless have bigger problems to deal with than how people refer to them...
True…

However, YOU PEOPLE, I would think, would prefer more truthful “packaging”. Lots of street people…the main issue IS NOT an inability to find affordable housing…though for some people and in some cities, it is. It’s some combination of mental health problems and substance abuse. “Homeless” is actually a misleading lib term used to characterize their situation...implying that giving a person a house would fix their problems
 
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Let’s be honest: the New York justice system failed this guy. There’s zero reason he should have been on the streets. That doesn’t excuse or discount the marines actions. But if the state of New York did it’s job, this never happens.

Also lol at CatAlum editing his posts nearly 12 hours later.
 
Let’s be honest: the New York justice system failed this guy. There’s zero reason he should have been on the streets. That doesn’t excuse or discount the marines actions. But if the state of New York did it’s job, this never happens.

Also lol at CatAlum editing his posts nearly 12 hours later.
I corrected a spelling error…apologies for that :rolleyes:

His presence on the street (as has been alluded to by others)…more likely a failure of the mental health system.
 
Calling homeless people unhoused is a classic case of Libs wanting to be seen as a good person rather than actually being a good person.

Homeless have bigger problems to deal with than how people refer to them...
She forgot to also call him crazy, and threatening.
 
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul on Thursday said Neely’s family “deserves justice” and that there have to be consequences after his death.

“I do want to acknowledge how horrific it was to view a video of Jordan Neely being killed for being a passenger on the subway trains,” Hochul said at a news conference.

My gosh, did the New York Governor really say something so stupid? He was not killed for being a passenger on the train, he was killed because he was threatening everyone else on the train.

Neely did not deserve to die, but let's not pretend he was just an innocent man killed for no reason. Subway trains are tight, enclosed spaces. I'm sure that everyone on that train was scared out of their minds being trapped with this guy. When he screamed "I don't care if I get a life sentence" it is not unreasonable to think that he is willing, if not intending, to commit violence against other passengers.

One of the other passengers on the train is quoted as saying "None of us who were there thought he was in danger of dying, we just thought he passed out or ran out of air. That's understandable, but it also needs to be taken into account that a former Marine had to have known the risks of putting Neely into that particular hold, and holding him there for so long. Is there really no other hold he could have used to subdue Neely? I'm not saying he wanted to kill Neely, but it seems likely that he knew what he was doing could kill Neely, and still chose to do it anyway. It was obviously a high-pressure situation, and I can understand that when threatened with violence, and seeing others threatened with violence, this guy just snapped. We'll see how sympathetic a jury he can get in NYC.
I see you've met Kathy Hochul. Might not even be top 5 stupidest comments for her.

His family deserves justice yet didn't think he deserved help getting off the streets and on some meds.

You are saying the Marine snapped? Making the guy go night night was the quickest way to neutralize the threat, that he incidentally died is on him alone. Don't go on the subway acting a fool threatening people you'll live to see another day.
 
You are saying the Marine killed this guy because he heard of this man's subway behavior ? Please tell me that I missed something and I'm reading you wrong.....
No, just another exhibit that the deceased was a dangerous loony.
 
I corrected a spelling error…apologies for that :rolleyes:

His presence on the street (as has been alluded to by others)…more likely a failure of the mental health system.
It is and you have no right defend yourself against these people.
If you happen to be white and a black mentally deranged attacks you then you are probably going to be charge with a hate crime.
If the guy who choked this man in NYC was black, we would not even know it happened.
 
Who is saying he “didn’t do anything“? Again, he’s dead. The killer is the Marine. What is the legal concept that excuses the killing?

Trying your best to restrain someone, but not knowing what you’re doing, in a situation that IS NOT self defense…that’s not a complete defense…might move it out of murder.
How do you know?
 
This latest NYC subway incident is just another glaring example of why you don’t live in cities.
Most big cities in the US let lawlessness rein.
No law enforcement of vagrancy
No law enforcement of open drug use.
No law enforcement of public indecency
These are laws in the books, however police are now hesitant to enforce these laws out of fear they themselves will be prosecuted.
New York City is turning into Gotham and there is no Arkham Asylum
Stay out of these places..
 
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Law…

You can’t cause injury or kill someone without a legal excuse...sounds stupidly simple. But you start there. So, what is the legal excuse?

What I’ve read about this…sounds like the deceased is acting in a way that would bother people, and frighten people as to what he MIGHT do. What DID he do? Sounds like not a whole lot. Self defense is THE legal excuse that must be considered. Doesn’t look like self defense to me…of himself or others.

Intent of the Marine? Seems like he doesn’t intend to kill…maybe not even injure. But someone’s dead.

Looks like a manslaughter charge to me.
Don't you yourself have a legal right to be in public in this case a subway and feel safe and secure from somebody even if that person has mental issues? Why does this guy have more of a right then myself?
 
Don't you yourself have a legal right to be in public in this case a subway and feel safe and secure from somebody even if that person has mental issues?
We all have the right to use reasonable force. The guy will get his chance in court to clear himself. Plenty of witnesses to either back him up or not. I certainly don't think the guy deserved to die. I don't think the the guy meant to kill him, but he did not show the best judgement.
Ignorant to think that people aren't outraged or care about people being murdered. Not every murder gets the same coverage. First, it was caught on cell phones and put out there. How many of the others were? There are a lot of people advocating for the homeless and mentally ill that are constantly outraged. A lot of people on yappi think they are just enablers and mock their work. I would like to see the 27 articles/opinions the author wrote about the other murders or at least the 365 that she pens each year spotlighting and helping solve and eliminate all murders.

2.4 million people ride the NY subway every single day. 9 murders / year (Horrible) out of 2.6 billion riders. And that is at it's absolute worst. It's pretty safe.
 
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