We get that you're afraid of big cities. Lol.
Man dies after being put in a chokehold by another rider on New York City subway
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SayMyName
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After you untwist your panties why don't you look it up?
OldSoulon
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Well, the people that run the big cities are giving us more reasons to avoid them.
Wealthy, high tax rate folks are fleeing them. What happens when the coffers are all but empty?
The man that put the choke hold on him is not guilty of not getting treatment for this mentally ill man. After being arrested 40 some times someone should have noticed this person has a small (major) problem. They are the ones who should be held accountable for what happened. Someone was eventually going to get hurt or killed and the people using the subway to get from point A to B should be able to do so and not get hassled or injured by anyone whether mentally ill or not.
I doubt that happens. I know plenty of people who prefer the city. But I get why some folks would leave. It's not for everyone.
I also know folks that loathe their small rural centers, and can't wait to get out. No jobs and lots of opioid-poppers. It's personal preference.
psycho_dad
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And now we have the guy that choked him out of existence that obviously needed some mental health treatment as well.
"They are the ones who should be held accountable for what happened." Who exactly are "THEY". Is it you? Is it me? All of us?
I am not disputing the legal process that needs to take place to determine if a person did in fact act in self defense..
This is what is happening in cities all too often..
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Ive said this over and over and ill say it again.. Stay out of American cities.
Laws do exists in our cities but we are not a nation of laws, we are a nation of political will.
Political will is against you the law abiding citizen in American cities.
This is what is happening in cities all too often..
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Ive said this over and over and ill say it again.. Stay out of American cities.
Laws do exists in our cities but we are not a nation of laws, we are a nation of political will.
Political will is against you the law abiding citizen in American cities.
On this day it wasn't safe.
Omar
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No, just poorly run cities infested with violent, drug addled bums.
Cool. So stay away?
Omar
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Or maybe do something about the bums plaguing your cities?
The legal concept is defending your fellow human beings on the subway train. There have been numerous assaults and murders on the NY City subways in just the last few years. It was entirely reasonable that this guy thought it was about to happen again and he acted. That he was not proficient in applying a choke hold is beyond the point.
Yep. Every day I lose more faith in our legal system when practiced by democrat prosecutors and judges in blue jurisdictions. If they charge this man with any crime it would be a grave miscarriage of justice.
Doing my best to have that happen. Thank you for the suggestion but it truth I have been doing my best to have that happen for years now, just think it is more important for my and my family's well being now more than ever.
We have the right to view such people when they act aggressively towards others as a risk and act accordingly. Declaring them blameless because they may be mentally ill and/or homeless is a cop out and an example of misplaced sympathy.
There are always going to be bums in urban centers. There always have, and always will. If you can't deal with that, it's likely that cities aren't for you, I guess. On the whole, as much as it's an annoyance, most bums are harmless panhandlers. This whole situation is generally an outlier. Anecdotally, and IMO, it's much less annoying to walk past a panhandler in downtown Columbus than deal with some Jehovah's Witnesses banging on your door in the 'burbs at dinnertime. But that's just me.
And if that's the best choice for you and your family, good on you for following that path. My parents swear off the city as well. I get that it's not for everyone.
Omar
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It’s so much worse now than it’s ever been. Go to the SF & NYC subreddits, the people that live in those cities are fed up with it.There are always going to be bums in urban centers. There always have, and always will. If you can't deal with that, it's likely that cities aren't for you, I guess. On the whole, as much as it's an annoyance, most bums are harmless panhandlers. This whole situation is generally an outlier. Anecdotally, and IMO, it's much less annoying to walk past a panhandler in downtown Columbus than deal with some Jehovah's Witnesses banging on your door in the 'burbs at dinnertime. But that's just me.
psycho_dad
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We have the right to be homeless and we have the right to be mentally ill. No one is saying someone is blameless. The guy who choked him out is mentally ill as well and it is a cop out and an example of misplaced sympathy to say otherwise. He could not conduct himself in a civilized manner. He caused the death of someone that did not need to be killed. He did not use reasonable force. One guy had 40 bad incidents at least. None of which did he cause the death of someone. The other guy has one real bad incident where he killed someone. He thought he could do the job, but he couldn't. Would you rather be verbally assaulted, physically assaulted or killed?
Some are, sure. Others know how to deal with it. Immediate family lives in the heart of downtown Chicago. They love it. But they've always lived in cities, so it's second-nature to them.
But again, it's not for everyone. If you don't like the area where you live, work, or visit, or the government that represents those places, you'll probably have to find a more suitable location. That, or you'll have to start handing out street justice like that Marine, I guess.
The guy who defended the people on the subway conducted himself in a brave and honorable manner. The man who was assaulting passengers on the subway caused his own death by his actions.
As to your question, if I had a family member on that subway I would feel very grateful that those men stood up and acted to restrain a clearly dangerous person.
Eyewitnesses who recorded the altercation and were questioned said he assaulted no passengers. So he caused his own death by yelling and slamming his coat on the ground?
He was throwing stuff at passengers. Do you suggest we wait until an actual assault was in progress? Try explaining that one to the innocent victim hurt or killed in such an assault.
You said we was assaulting passengers. Now you're saying "should we wait until an assault was in progress." I guess it's your call as an individual if you want to intercede with choking out someone who you think 'might' commit an assault.
Throwing stuff at people is assault.
1. The street guy is dead.
2. The Marine killed him; i.e., used deadly force.
3. Law enforcement (police, prosecutors, Grand Jury) of this "community" will decide whether or not to charge the Marine with a crime. Put another way, law enforcement of this community will decide whether or not there was a legal excuse for the Marine to use deadly force on this street guy.
4. If law enforcement decides to charge the Marine with some sort of offense (murder/manslaughter, etc.), a jury of local citizens (people who LIVE in that community) will decide whether or not to convict the Marine. Was there a legal excuse to kill the street guy? If self defense, was the use of deadly force REASONABLE? If a "citizen's arrest" type scenario, was deadly force appropriate due to a REASONABLE belief that deadly force was going to be exerted by the street guy? What is REASONABLE will be decided by the citizens of the borough of Manhattan...urban residents, subway riders, street people encounterers...
Platitudes and speculation from outsiders won't decide this case. The citizens of the borough of Manhattan, who live there, who experience urban living on the subway, on the streets of Manhattan...they will decide what is reasonable. Fair, no? Would be fair in Hamilton County, Cuyahoga County, Holmes County.
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That's one of the conundrums of criminal law. We (generally) don't punish/charge people with criminal conduct that we "think" might happen.
Orin Swift
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You frequently re-read your own posts 12 hours later? Seems kinda narcissistic to me.I corrected a spelling error…apologies for that
His presence on the street (as has been alluded to by others)…more likely a failure of the mental health system.
No, it really isn't. New York City murders...
2017 292 (the historic low going back to 1951)
2018 295
2019 319
2020 468
2021 488
2022 438
1990 2245
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