India-Pakistan Conflict

winbypin said:
It's not a hypothetical to say that Russia did not invade while Trump was president. It's simply a fact. Only hacks like yourself say otherwise.
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Yes and the Ethiopian civil war did not happen under Obama

The Russia invasion of Ukraine occurred in 2022. As such, Trump was not president and any assertion about a change in history is just dumb MAGAs making up bullsh_t.
 
ProV1 said:
Not deflection. Trump made 2 statements about that war. He said the war would have never started and it would be over in 24 hours. The first statement is hypothetical and impossible to prove and the 2nd one has been proven to be false.
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That's wasn't what we were talking about. Try comprehension.
 
ProV1 said:
Yes and the Ethiopian civil war did not happen under Obama

The Russia invasion of Ukraine occurred in 2022. As such, Trump was not president and any assertion about a change in history is just dumb MAGAs making up bullsh_t.
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There is no changing history needed. While Trump was president Russia did not invade Ukraine. Simple facts.

You would be better off trying to argue that trump had zero influence on that fact than your present idiotic take. But you do you.
 
MoeDude said:
Strange question. You're acting like ox now :ROFLMAO: Gaza was controlled by the ever loving Hamas who have been sending rockets into Israel and attacking border towns for years. And we should be concerned because that is only part of what's going on with Islamic terrorism.
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Sometimes it seems like some little Hebrew bully must’ve taken Tyler‘s lunch money in school. I guess everybody has a blind spot……
 
cabezadecaballo said:
Sometimes it seems like some little Hebrew bully must’ve taken Tyler‘s lunch money in school.
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Or it could be that another country is using their lobby to leverage/bribe my politicians to funnel military and economic support their way and I do not like it. I don't want my tax money going to people in this country, why the heck would I want it going to citizens of another?

cabezadecaballo said:
I guess everybody has a blind spot……
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Very well said. LOL
 
Omega said:
In the aftermath of WW2, my US Army father was loosely attached to a British Army unit in Kashmir while waiting to point out. His observations were the existence of ancient religious animosities superimposed on each other by colonialism. I guess the surprise is that there has not been more open warfare between the two nations over the last 80 years. Then again both India and Pakistan possess nuclear weapons, so that might serve to keep any hostilities to a limited scope.
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What was the ancient empire that imposed Hindu and Islam?
 
eastisbest said:
What's your definition of "western civilization" and from where do you get your information on islamic influence within the UK? I think I'd rather read the original source of these ideas of yours. UK at one time said pretty much exactly that about Catholic migration. ;)

I'm not sure if you are conflating islamic state with palestinian state. What would you have us do in palestine if not "sit it out?"

IF "we" have lost much of Europe to Islamic beliefs, why do you feel that occurred? I don't recall any islamic crusade. IF this has occurred, it would appear to have been the free choice of the people that already lived in those countries. Why do you suppose they would have so easily given up their Christian based beliefs for Islamic ones?
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It wasn't the free choice of the people for their government to allow millions of Muslims from radical countries into their country.
 
ProV1 said:
Why not? Do you think they are gone? Do you think ISIS or Al Qaida are gone? Do you think every terrorist organization represents the same threat to the US?

We did not need to be involved in Gaza any more than we need to be involved in India/Pakistan.
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We aren't involved in Gaza.
 
y2h said:
It wasn't the free choice of the people for their government to allow millions of Muslims from radical countries into their country.
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they elected their governments. And they elected them again after the refugees were flowing in. So it kind of was their free choice. They had options that wouldn't have accepted refugees, immigrants,,,, Is it your presumption that all the muslims came in as opposed to converted? There has been a concomitant decrease in the number identifying as Christian. No one forced this.

but back to my original question, an attempt to see where you're coming from:

What's your definition of "western civilization" and from where do you get your information on islamic influence within the UK?
 
chs1971 said:
What was the ancient empire that imposed Hindu and Islam?
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Casual research indicates Hinduism was an ancient organic religion in the Indian Subcontinent then Islam started to spread into part the subcontinent 1300 years ago.


www.britannica.com

Hinduism | Origin, History, Beliefs, Gods, & Facts | Britannica

Hinduism is a major world religion originating on the Indian subcontinent and comprising several and varied systems of philosophy, belief, and ritual. If the Indus valley civilization (3rd–2nd millennium BCE) was the earliest source of Hindu traditions, then Hinduism is the oldest living...
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Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent - Wikipedia

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I do not think there was any one empire responsible for either religion , or at least one that the West would recognize. Then again my knowledge of Asia is not what it should be.
 
India and Pakistan have a dust up every so often and they both eventually stand down. This is really nothing new.

I'd also argue that immigrants, Muslim or otherwise, help the societies they go to. And while it may seem painful to the natives, this has been proven time and time again. There are American newspaper articles from the 1700's that sound just like the anti-immigrant sentiment today. Politicos have been blaming immigrants for decades upon decades to garner votes.

With a massive labor shortage, and our attack on immigration and universities, we are actually tamping competition and the flow of free thought and ideas. This too will pass, in roughly 3 1/2 years to be exact. ;)
 
irish_buffalo said:
India and Pakistan have a dust up every so often and they both eventually stand down. This is really nothing new.

I'd also argue that immigrants, Muslim or otherwise, help the societies they go to. And while it may seem painful to the natives, this has been proven time and time again. There are American newspaper articles from the 1700's that sound just like the anti-immigrant sentiment today. Politicos have been blaming immigrants for decades upon decades to garner votes.

With a massive labor shortage, and our attack on immigration and universities, we are actually tamping competition and the flow of free thought and ideas. This too will pass, in roughly 3 1/2 years to be exact. ;)
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And you continue to conflate illegal immigration with legal immigration.
 
irish_buffalo said:
India and Pakistan have a dust up every so often and they both eventually stand down. This is really nothing new.

I'd also argue that immigrants, Muslim or otherwise, help the societies they go to. And while it may seem painful to the natives, this has been proven time and time again. There are American newspaper articles from the 1700's that sound just like the anti-immigrant sentiment today. Politicos have been blaming immigrants for decades upon decades to garner votes.

With a massive labor shortage, and our attack on immigration and universities, we are actually tamping competition and the flow of free thought and ideas. This too will pass, in roughly 3 1/2 years to be exact. ;)
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You are a tool! People are not against immigration. They are against non-documented illegal immigration! We do need immigration reform because the current process is ridiculous. I’ve worked with people from India who have gone through “the legal” immigration process and it is insane and needs to change. But that doesn’t justify coming into the country illegally.
 
MoeDude said:
You are a tool! People are not against immigration. They are against non-documented illegal immigration! We do need immigration reform because the current process is ridiculous. I’ve worked with people from India who have gone through “the legal” immigration process and it is insane and needs to change. But that doesn’t justify coming into the country illegally.
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See above
 
MoeDude said:
You are a tool! People are not against immigration. They are against non-documented illegal immigration! We do need immigration reform because the current process is ridiculous. I’ve worked with people from India who have gone through “the legal” immigration process and it is insane and needs to change. But that doesn’t justify coming into the country illegally.
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I agree completely … the legal process is totally screwed up … to me, if you fix the legal process, we could benefit greatly from immigration
 
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India-Pakistan live: Ceasefire agreed after 'long night of talks' brokered by US

Donald Trump has announced India and Pakistan have agreed to a "full and immediate" ceasefire after talks mediated by the US. It comes after Pakistan fired missiles at military sites in India in retaliation for India's attacks on airbases. Listen to The Daily podcast below as you scroll.
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Key points​

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Omega said:
Casual research indicates Hinduism was an ancient organic religion in the Indian Subcontinent then Islam started to spread into part the subcontinent 1300 years ago.


www.britannica.com

Hinduism | Origin, History, Beliefs, Gods, & Facts | Britannica

Hinduism is a major world religion originating on the Indian subcontinent and comprising several and varied systems of philosophy, belief, and ritual. If the Indus valley civilization (3rd–2nd millennium BCE) was the earliest source of Hindu traditions, then Hinduism is the oldest living...
www.britannica.com www.britannica.com

en.m.wikipedia.org

Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

I do not think there was any one empire responsible for either religion , or at least one that the West would recognize. Then again my knowledge of Asia is not what it should be.
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Then why did you say these religions were imposed by colonialism?

 
chs1971 said:
Then why did you say these religions were imposed by colonialism?
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My intent was not to say British Rule caused the religious strife in the subcontinent, but rather British rule allowed the conditions to fester due to the the economic priority of colonialism.
 
Omega said:
My intent was not to say British Rule caused the religious strife in the subcontinent, but rather British rule allowed the conditions to fester due to the the economic priority of colonialism.
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Made me curious. With all the factions, I expected it to be a bunch of tribal wars. Nope. Before colonialization, India had over 25% of the world's GDP.

Should have bought a better army.
 
eastisbest said:
Made me curious. With all the factions, I expected it to be a bunch of tribal wars. Nope. Before colonialization, India had over 25% of the world's GDP.

Should have bought a better army.
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I think much of that wealth was transferred to London and the Brits spent a good bit of time putting down local revolts. Maybe a bigger surprise, given its lack of unity in history , is that India has functioned as a somewhat unified democracy since 1948.
 
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India's clash with Pakistan sees use of Chinese missiles, French jets, Israeli drones and more

India’s missile and bomb strikes on targets in Pakistan and Pakistani-controlled Kashmir have prompted multiple attacks in retaliation between the nuclear-armed neighbors to the point that some are now calling it a de facto war.
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War! What is it good for ? (apologies to Edwin Starr)

Unfortunately the arms dealers need a laboratory to test the effectiveness of their wares.
 
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