Holdbacks Baby!!!
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TheStuff142
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Does that make it ok then? Not that he has the opinion because it certainly is ok to have one. Is it ok or appropriate for club coaches to be this..IDK aggressive maybe isn't the right word for it or not. Seems like a private discussion maybe would be better way to go. To be completely fair.... what parents are taking parenting, social/academic growth, life decision advice for their children from a 25 year old...not expecting an answer for that. That is 100% not a knock on him at all. I enjoy his videos usually.
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MPhillips
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My comments were regarding the people saying he was joking or he wasn't serious. That was the onus of my post'. I didn't comment on, 'right or wrong.'
TheStuff142
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It happened twice in my house, it has to be happening in others in Ohio. Wish we had the state supported scholarships that Indiana and Kentucky give out.
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He was 100% not joking, that has always been Braken's point of view. right, wrong or indifferent. Parents that share his views take their kids to him, parents that don't go find another club, parents that are indifferent, like the way he coaches and love his passion, but don't share his stance on this issue make their own decisions. what is the point of this whole thread?
MPhillips
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FFS. That is what I said. That was my point...
I replied on the wrong post sorryFFS. That is what I said. That was my point...
So your saying your kids where not very athletic? There is so much money out there for athletes it's crazy.Become a couple time state champ and see how much money is out there. And not nearly as much for for pure academics.I just went through it.
I posted this somewhere else.
A friends kid just signed his full ride. Here is what he is getting:
full tuition, room and board. 20k a year cash, 2k for every point scored at the NCAA, 10k for AA, 20k for finalist and 30k to win it. Might be off a little bit on the 10k, 20k and 30k but pretty sure I remember it right. He told me between duals this weekend.
His son, while very good, is like a top 10-15 in his weight class nationally
I doubt the academic kids are getting paid per A they receive
Old&Grumpy142
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If that's supposed to be a burn, then ouch! The fact is that a 2x state champ with poor grades is likely is on his way to Iowa Central CC.
None of my kids are going to the Olympics or will make a living in their sport, but all did OK for themselves. 2 daughters - oldest, an ivy league swimmer - no athletic aid, academic grants that covered 70-ish % of cost - but 2 summer internships in NYC mostly covered the gap. Youngest played volleyball @ D2 school in western PA - roughly 50% academic scholarship, 20% athletic + work-study $$. Son - average grades, currently wrestling in the MAC in a partially funded program -$0 financial aid, small stipend. Borrowing up the A $$.
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Old&Grumpy142
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Good for your buddy. Hope he's not going to UNLV.
It all depends on the school you are applying too. We have visited 7 colleges, and my son would quality for 16-23K per year, these are D2, D3, and NAIA schools, but that is just academic money. You have to have a good GPA to qualify. Cast a wide net and see what schools have to offer. Places like OSU and OU being state schools with lower tuition costs and high demand probably aren't going to offer as much.
Insidetrip73
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Now I see why youre "Grumpy " D2? MAC ?
. Yes "ouch" indeed!
Old&Grumpy142
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Tell me about it, it's embarrassing, but hey, at least my kids still talk to me.Now I see why youre "Grumpy " D2? MAC ?
This turkey hating on D2 and MAC, as if he ever did anything.Now I see why youre "Grumpy " D2? MAC ?
Huckleberry
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I can tell you definitively that even if my son were to get a full ride, it would be unlikely to exceed the amount of money I've spent on his training and travel. It's not all just a value proposition.
Agree know of 3 kids ( families) and their parents two different sports who spent thousands on training, national travel squads, hotels, gas, meals, plane fares, equipment, uniforms, you name it . Only to have all 3 at the end of the day end up at D3 Schools still chasing that dream and thousands of dollars in tuition debt at the end of 4 years.
One of the families one parent is a Attorney and now works a 2nd job to recoup some of that money.
Folks be crazy out there.
LucMurphy134
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Huckleberry
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Have we met? I'm not sure what that means, but I do know many of the wrestlers in central Ohio who are on D1 scholarships. I don't know of many who are in a different boat.
The unfortunate truth is this sport has largely become reliant on specialized training. That, combined with the travel expenses, is in most cases a significant amount of money. It seems like baseball and soccer are the same way, maybe basketball too. The monetization of youth sports has not made it better, in my opinion.
sadly, there are those coaches who only love kids whose parents pay them well. If you stop paying them well, they trash your kid to others.
My son works out regularly with 2 specific coaches. One will not let you pay him and the other doesnt care if you do or not. They just love to help kids.
My son works out regularly with 2 specific coaches. One will not let you pay him and the other doesnt care if you do or not. They just love to help kids.
Huckleberry
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I'm sure you're right. I was just speaking from some personal experience. It seems football is still a little bit insulated from this, but I do know of the 7v7 camps, etc.
My point was it's a shame that the scholastic sports model isn't enough. The AAU/ private team/ travel whatever has taken over youth sports, at no small cost.
Even using multiple screen names he's managed to become a yappi Moderated User. That's not easy.
They do be crazy..
I’m not sure DT and Dake and the RTC guys you mentioned are being paid via NIL so who cares how long they wrestle.Huh?
If NLWC writes a wrestler a check for $500,000 and said athlete then writes Penn State a check for $50,000 for tuition, did NIL not pay for school?
I get that not everyone is getting NIL money, but not everyone is getting athletic scholarship or, (and this may surprise some)... academic scholarship. We all have different talents. Why limit the way they can be rewarded?
Of course every change has a series of unintended consequences, but I continue to struggle to wrap my head around how any change that brings more opportunities to young men to earn compensation for their talents is a net negative (in the absence of a moral concern, which does not exist here).
Heck, to someone's earlier point: at least NIL money is coming out of rich donors pockets and not an additional tax burden!
100% true!
Athletic careers don't pay the bills forever, period. Should we tell Kyle Dake it's time to hang it up? Did DT hang in too long? Of course not!
How about any number of guys on RTC rosters or working as assistant coaches making less than they could be with their degrees? Should we cut off that funding because it's unfair to others or "not in the best interest of the athlete"?
I know it's not an NIL thread, but NIL seems to be catching some strays here. Let me bring it back around...
America is a great place (most of it), where you can build the life you want to live. We aren't told at 5 years old by the government what we are going to be when we grow up, and I think we can all agree that's a good thing. All I'm saying is, let's keep that energy going here and let the adults make decisions about their career path. If they have an opportunity on the free market to make a couple of bucks, let's not try to stop that under the guise of knowing what's "in their best interest".
And finally, if they aren't adults (i.e. 18-19 when they graduate)...well, you really should have held them back...
I love the enthusiasm some of you guys have in your kids abilities to get a scholarship and NIL money. God bless you and I hope it comes true.
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having great academics will let a school get you a lot of money for sure. NIL adds a whole new incentive AND provides a whole lot more funds to that pool of money provided for athletes. My buddies kid will graduate debt free from from college while making a couple hundred thousand in the process. He is very good but not a true blue chipper
before crazy dads were holding back hoping for a scholly.. now there is NIL incentive. Its only gonna get worse so the haters better learn to deal with it.
full tuition room and board, 20k cash.. 2k a point at NCAA with AA bonuses.... I had NO IDEA NIL in wrestling was going to start being like that. that's a lot of motivation
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That’s awesome. What sport?
wrestling.. pa kid that hasn't won a state title and will be a jr
Buckeye454
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Never meant to insinuate that they were being paid via NIL (which as I understand it is not taxpayer money anyhow so no one should care if they were). My point is they are making good money wrestling and just because they can't do that until they are 65 and doesn't mean they should be discouraged from doing it now.
Not sure what you are insinuating with the second part of your post...
If you're a fan of the sport, you should be a fan of additional money flowing into the sport (whether you think your athlete is good enough to earn a piece of that or not).
I feel like someone is embellishing a bit here, I know the 3 PA Jrs. that have verbally committed D1 already and I can promise none of those 3 are getting that deal. Kross Cassidy to George Mason, Dom Deputy to NC state, and Elijah Brown to Pitt. None of those three have won a State title. Dom made the Finals last year.