D7 Region 27 2024

Hoist the Black said:
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Hoist the Black said:
…Al Martin says Damon Buente swims with the fishes. I would. But a Pick’em in every sense.
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JFK seemed like the safe “nothing to lose” pick, but reading between the lines on Round #342 of self-imposed message board idiocy from Kennedy apologists makes one think that program squad will have its head in the wrong place.
 
The Dock said:
JFK seemed like the safe “nothing to lose” pick, but reading between the lines on Round #342 of self-imposed message board idiocy from Kennedy apologists makes one think that program squad will have its head in the wrong place.
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That Provit kid is *nice. But top to bottom I like both rosters. What’s left? Coaching.
 
not_so_fast said:
Yet you didn’t explain about the vomit reference.
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Oh, that was about them being the more physical team in their matchup with CV. Reason being that while that is true for that game specifically, overall I have my doubts about how truly physical they are from what I’ve seen before they turn their videos private.
 
Hoist the Black said:
They are not physical by any standard of football I’ve seen. CV can take a punch.
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The thing that is curious about this “definition of ‘physical’” discussion is… whatever Eastern’s level of physical is,

It needs to be both

1) higher than PND’s,

2) the level of physicality they have exposure to needs to be higher than PND.

I think Symmes was a team that played with some instinct and defensive will. Other than SG (?), anyone else on Eastern’s slate that plays physical ball? Eastern has strong links on the OL, but it doesn’t appear the entire line is a strong link. Some philosophies would just go power/unbalanced in light of that, but in a pro-style spread I’m not sure that really can win the trenches?
 
The Dock said:
The thing that is curious about this “definition of ‘physical’” discussion is… whatever Eastern’s level of physical is,

It needs to be both

1) higher than PND’s,

2) the level of physicality they have exposure to needs to be higher than PND.

I think Symmes was a team that played with some instinct and defensive will. Other than SG (?), anyone else on Eastern’s slate that plays physical ball? Eastern has strong links on the OL, but it doesn’t appear the entire line is a strong link. Some philosophies would just go power/unbalanced in light of that, but in a pro-style spread I’m not sure that really can win the trenches?
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Miller, SG (2 times) would probably be the most opposing "physical" teams Eastern has faced. Before stating can they win in the trenches, SG first go around had a lot of rushing yards but simply turned the ball over and really kept Eastern offense off the field defensively. 2nd go round Eastern dominated the trenches from start to finish, rarely are you going to find a game 13-12 and then 41-6 3 weeks later, unable to run the ball one game and ran it all over SG the 2nd game. In high school you don't see teams with 95 and 99 yard drives but Eastern put 2 together in 1 half. Conotton Valley while they're more of that spread out not going to punch you in the mouth type of team can take a lot of hits and keep coming back. Going to be a good game at some point though people should probably give what these young men have done at Eastern just a little bit of credit they're where they are because they put themselves in position to be, there's a lot of teams, coaches, and fans watching these games and they're still rocking and rolling.
 
Hoist the Black said:
They are not physical by any standard of football I’ve seen. CV can take a punch.
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I don't think it comes down to CV taking a punch at all, I think this game will ultimately come down to whether or not Eastern can handle the CV passing attack. People are asking the wrong question, they keep saying who has eastern beaten that is physical that's been proven. Question should be what team has Eastern played that can closely resemble the type of offense they'll see from Conotton Valley? Symmes Valley and to an extent Strasburg would be the 2 that come to mind but neither are anywhere close to what Conotton can do offensively.
 
not_so_fast said:
I don't think it comes down to CV taking a punch at all, I think this game will ultimately come down to whether or not Eastern can handle the CV passing attack. People are asking the wrong question, they keep saying who has eastern beaten that is physical that's been proven.
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I see your point, but I wouldn't completely write off the unknown on 'physicality' just yet.

Both of the semi's are going to be good tune-ups for the Regional final. Danville playing Miller, who plays football in a phonebooth on offense (a refreshing change of pace from the last two weeks); Eastern playing CV, which will give some preparation (or indication) on how to handle physicality in a wider and deeper field.

Those are two different dimensions of physicality in football that will bear out in two separate games. I think Danville's unscored-upon mark in playoffs might come to an end this week, but on the other hand I really don't see Miller being able to gnaw off a bunch of clock wire-to-wire and the Blue Devils will likely be the first to 28. When it comes to Eastern/CV, I think Eastern may be more equipped to win a shoot-out but OTOH I think CV can win a game where not every Rocket possession results in a score -- as long as they aren't immediate three-and-outs. Not giving Eastern some abnormally high amount of possessions to the tune of 12+ or whatever will help CV. Defensively, it'll be more pertinent for CV to derail Eastern possessions via turnovers early on. Seize momentum and hold into half. If Eastern's within 14 at half in a worst case scenario for the Eagles, they aren't put away.

not_so_fast said:
Question should be what team has Eastern played that can closely resemble the type of offense they'll see from Conotton Valley? Symmes Valley and to an extent Strasburg would be the 2 that come to mind but neither are anywhere close to what Conotton can do offensively.
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Possibly PND? Although they aren't nearly as well-oiled a machine as CV.
 
The Dock said:
I see your point, but I wouldn't completely write off the unknown on 'physicality' just yet.

Both of the semi's are going to be good tune-ups for the Regional final. Danville playing Miller, who plays football in a phonebooth on offense (a refreshing change of pace from the last two weeks); Eastern playing CV, which will give some preparation (or indication) on how to handle physicality in a wider and deeper field.

Those are two different dimensions of physicality in football that will bear out in two separate games. I think Danville's unscored-upon mark in playoffs might come to an end this week, but on the other hand I really don't see Miller being able to gnaw off a bunch of clock wire-to-wire and the Blue Devils will likely be the first to 28. When it comes to Eastern/CV, I think Eastern may be more equipped to win a shoot-out but OTOH I think CV can win a game where not every Rocket possession results in a score -- as long as they aren't immediate three-and-outs. Not giving Eastern some abnormally high amount of possessions to the tune of 12+ or whatever will help CV. Defensively, it'll be more pertinent for CV to derail Eastern possessions via turnovers early on. Seize momentum and hold into half. If Eastern's within 14 at half in a worst case scenario for the Eagles, they aren't put away.


Possibly PND? Although they aren't nearly as well-oiled a machine as CV.
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Yeah PND no where near the offense that CV has and the QB play isn't comparable. In terms of physicality across the field, I do think Miller can push Danville early on but just not as physical across the board in the trenches as Danville. For Eastern and CV I think Eastern will have the edge in the trenches I don't think anyone will dispute that given but can they handle things on the outside and more so in on the backend with the safeties. Both of Eastern's starting CB are physical players one a little more so than the other but should handle things just fine will the middle of the field be able to withstand CV wanting to attack those areas. Looking forward to both of these games I think you'll see Danville 35-14 right around there, but that's assuming Miller can get something going with the rushing attack. For CV and Eastern man this is tough we could see both of these teams in the 40s by the end of it.
 
In fairness, it seemed like Strasburg had a lot of opportunities in their game with Eastern, but struggled with turnovers. Moved the ball pretty well when they spread it out. I am curious how Eastern will handle a full spread team.
 
not_so_fast said:
Miller, SG (2 times) would probably be the most opposing "physical" teams Eastern has faced. Before stating can they win in the trenches, SG first go around had a lot of rushing yards but simply turned the ball over and really kept Eastern offense off the field defensively. 2nd go round Eastern dominated the trenches from start to finish, rarely are you going to find a game 13-12 and then 41-6 3 weeks later, unable to run the ball one game and ran it all over SG the 2nd game. In high school you don't see teams with 95 and 99 yard drives but Eastern put 2 together in 1 half. Conotton Valley while they're more of that spread out not going to punch you in the mouth type of team can take a lot of hits and keep coming back. Going to be a good game at some point though people should probably give what these young men have done at Eastern just a little bit of credit they're where they are because they put themselves in position to be, there's a lot of teams, coaches, and fans watching these games and they're still rocking and rolling.
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I dont think anyone on here is discrediting what the kids have done I certainly was never attempting to do that. You can honestly assess physicality and how good the teams are without meaning it to be a personal insult to the players or what they have accomplished. That is kinda why places like Yappi exists.
not_so_fast said:
Yeah PND no where near the offense that CV has and the QB play isn't comparable. In terms of physicality across the field, I do think Miller can push Danville early on but just not as physical across the board in the trenches as Danville. For Eastern and CV I think Eastern will have the edge in the trenches I don't think anyone will dispute that given but can they handle things on the outside and more so in on the backend with the safeties. Both of Eastern's starting CB are physical players one a little more so than the other but should handle things just fine will the middle of the field be able to withstand CV wanting to attack those areas. Looking forward to both of these games I think you'll see Danville 35-14 right around there, but that's assuming Miller can get something going with the rushing attack. For CV and Eastern man this is tough we could see both of these teams in the 40s by the end of it.
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Pretty good assessment I think. Would love to see the CV and Eastern game end up in that kinda shootout, fun for all involved except the DC lol.
 
think I said this before (maybe not), but this November is a good trial run for CV + Miller + EP to get a 'taste' of what the next level looks like.

Not every November is going to be as fertile in R27 as this opportunity. Next year could plausibly have the return of Waterford back to D7, maybe Eastern Meigs (🥴) as well… and for all we know a familiar face may return to the top 16 in computer ratings at the conclusion of Week 10 🚂
 
Perhaps we need to look at something that has been brought up each time but isn’t getting enough light shed on it. That being Eastern forces turnovers. Huge factor in every game of not turning it over yourself and forcing the other team into them. You don’t have to have a top of the line defense but if they can steal a possession that means a ton
 
Doc19 said:
In fairness, it seemed like Strasburg had a lot of opportunities in their game with Eastern, but struggled with turnovers. Moved the ball pretty well when they spread it out. I am curious how Eastern will handle a full spread team.
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Strasburg was down 17-0 and cut it to 17-6 but fell short of scoring just before half. 2nd half was much different after Eastern switched coverage on Strasburg's main WR and had a CB follow him the 2nd half and held him to no catches. Strasburg offensively in the 2nd half didn't move the ball very well at all.
 
Hoist the Black said:
AITA for thinking that the teams with the 101st & 102nd easiest schedules in all of DVII are turning in their gear on Monday?
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All entitled to our own opinion but the same thing has been said about them since playoffs began and yet here they sit regional-semi finals game. I think there's a ton of teams out there that would switch positions with them. Keeping in mind only 16 teams in the state for DVII are still standing. ;)
 
not_so_fast said:
All entitled to our own opinion but the same thing has been said about them since playoffs began and yet here they sit regional-semi finals game. I think there's a ton of teams out there that would switch positions with them. Keeping in mind only 16 teams in the state for DVII are still standing. ;)
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Okay thats one vote for YES. 😂
 
Hoist the Black said:
AITA for thinking that the teams with the 101st & 102nd easiest schedules in all of DVII are turning in their gear on Monday?
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In a closer to normal R27 November, this thought process would bear out and be validated.

One semi is going to be general finesse/open space vs general finesse/open space ; the other is hat-on-a-hat smashmouth vs hat-on-a-hat smashmouth.

In the latter case: less an immediate product of this year’s schedules, more so a product of two completely different program builds.

Danville is one of those rare air communities east of 71, for a school that size, where the weight room is emphasized heavily. It gets reinforced by playing in the KMAC, where everyone is in the dang weight room across the board for every sport. It's in the community DNA. Spring sports for the KMAC is where you really see this born out the best ( :( )

Miller has made significant strides across the board in their athletics, especially on the boys' side, in recent years by embracing the weights. The issue, to a large extent, vis-a-vis Danville is that the Cardinal is not a league where the weight room culture permeates across the entire board. Now, part of that problem just lies in the simple fact those schools are very, very small... and getting time into the weight room can be hard when kids' candles are burning at both ends playing 3-4 sports, in a time where every coach thinks their sport matters the most in their respective off-season.

Where that leads this game: Miller plays in a league that has largely gone away from physical football in recent years. It's not that the coaches are wrong, or bad, but instead the case that it is a response to the general passiveness toward the weights from the population writ large in that league. That and the lingering belief across too many of those communities that you can win football consistently via pure athleticism (hint: you cannot.) Danville, by contrast, is in a league where it's sink-or-swim. So, it is the case that Miller has an idea that the physical stakes are heightened up playing against Danville -- they (the kids) just don't have much understanding of what it actually looks like until the rubber meets the road. It's a building block game for that program, one that is experiencing newfound success. It's not something that can be changed over night, it's a multi-year process.

When it comes to the former, I don't know if SOS really matters that much. CV & EP seem like two programs that are really in the same general boat. If CV wins, would it indeed be the case that they won via SOS? Possibly, but its hard to say how that game is honestly gonna shake out. Especially if it comes down to turnover differential or "last one to score wins."
 
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